Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread Jack Unger
Sadly, I have to agree. The incumbents want to own the pipe so that they can control what goes over it and milk as much profit as possible from their pipe. Supposedly it's done to benefit the stockholder but everyone else will be getting screwed. That's the way business is done in this day and

Re: [WISPA] mission critical 100Mbps links

2008-06-20 Thread Gino Villarini
100 mbps UL = Motorola/Orthogon or Exalt Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:41 AM To:

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
Hold on there. I am an incumbent as in the I in ILEC. I have fiber directly to Level 3, XO and the option of hitting all the rest. If there is such a thing as the pipe I wish someone would point it out to me. We don't control anything. If you are a wholesale customer, you are essentially

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread John Scrivner
The term to better describe the people who are feared is the term RBOC, not the ILEC. I consider you and other smaller ILECs who are WISPs to be sharing many common concerns with the rest of us. I try to draw attention to the fact that RBOCs are generally the ones who are using the bully tactics

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
Funny how on email, if the meaning of a note is not exceptionally clear, we all seem to take the more negative options as to what it might mean. I wonder why that is. - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
My posting was more along the lines of informational and sensitizing folks to focusing their angst toward the appropriate parties. But even if the RBOCs are truly the death stars of our universe, I still do not understand why folks do not simply bypass them and go directly to the XOs and

Re: [WISPA] iperf howto

2008-06-20 Thread Rogelio
Tom DeReggi wrote: Its nice to see all the screen shots in one place for comparison. In response to this same email, one of the users ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in my Linux Group (SoCalLinux.org) posted the following URLs of screen shots on his desktop

Re: [WISPA] How much data

2008-06-20 Thread Rogelio
Chris Caputo wrote: 10,299.68 megabytes per day = 10.06 gigabytes per day Yup, Chris is right. My math was really sloppy there; thanks for the correction. (Close enough for government work, though!) WISPA Wants

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Many people incorrectly interchange RBOC and ILEC though Qwest technically is an RBOC, they're a pawn as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] iperf howto

2008-06-20 Thread Rogelio
Rogelio wrote: Rogelio wrote: I recently stumbled across this great iperf HOWTO (for calculating throughput) http://www.egee-npm.org/e2emonit/download/older/HOWTO-edg-iperf-1.2.4.txt Ah, yet another great iperf toy, check_iperf for Nagios! http://tinyurl.com/3uqlk8 (Haven't checked it out

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
I agree, the proper term is RBOC not ILEC. I as well often inappropriately use the term ILEC. Actually, Ironically, I think most any company, including WISPs would try to immulate the tactics of the RBOC, if they had the power to. I want to control my pipe, and my content if I can. Is it

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
The RBOCs really don't have any superior standing or abilities if you can get to alternate upstream providers. I think we can get confused on Consumers versus ISPs. ISPs can get to XOs and LEvel3s. But ISPs can't get to consumers. Consumers can't get to XOs and Level3s. Daily, more incentives

Re: [WISPA] How much data

2008-06-20 Thread Rogelio
David E. Smith wrote: Unless you can know in advance exactly what kind of traffic the link will be handling (which is rare but not impossible) it's all guesswork anyway :D True. In fact, much of the 20-25 Mbps (or whatever) pt-to-pt traffic graphs I see often presuppose a certain mix of

[WISPA] Celtrio's Covera for wifi surveying

2008-06-20 Thread Rogelio
Those wanting a lightweight surveying tool (as compared to, say, Airmagnent) might check out Covera Zone (just started playing with it today) http://www.celtrio.com/home/ They have a free version that lets you input maps, export survey points into CVS file, sync with GPS, take iperf and ping

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread Scottie Arnett
I am probably way more rural than Tom DeReggi on this, and I could not agree with him more plus add to it as far as the so called gov't push to get broadband to the real rural markets. I think their push is more of a ghost as far as the FCC has ruled in the last 6 to 8 years. Just IMHO. Scott

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread Bryan Scott
On Jun 20, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: I am probably way more rural than Tom DeReggi on this, and I could not agree with him more plus add to it as far as the so called gov't push to get broadband to the real rural markets. I think their push is more of a ghost as far as

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread Scottie Arnett
My nearest town(and most populated) that I serve has a population of 1600 in TN. And that is a town, not a little subdivision, and the local co-op telco is missing some of that providing the service beyond dialup along with us. I will mark my calender, and bet you (if the FCC does not change

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
More populated? Check out Grouse Creek, Utah. That is one of the towns that Bryan is talking about. Population about 75 people. And it will be GPON, not FIOS. Much better. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

2008-06-20 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
You really should get to be govt funded too. The RUS grant program is ideal for guys like you. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet