I am probably way more rural than Tom DeReggi on this, and I could not agree with him more plus add to it as far as the so called gov't push to get broadband to the "real rural markets." I think their "push" is more of a "ghost" as far as the FCC has ruled in the last 6 to 8 years. Just IMHO.
Scott ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:10:58 -0500 >>The RBOCs really don't have any superior standing >> or abilities if you can get to alternate upstream providers. > >I think we can get confused on Consumers versus ISPs. > >ISPs can get to XOs and LEvel3s. But ISPs can't get to consumers. >Consumers can't get to XOs and Level3s. >Daily, more incentives are given to allow the big players to have more >market share. >The problem occurs once they get majority market share. > >What makes you think the content battle won't occur between RBOCs/CABLE COs >and the level3 / XOs getting blocked. >The XOs and LEvel3s might not be large enough either. >As soon as the monopolies have all teh consumers, and block third party >content on on third party networks, the capacity on third party networks >will become worthless. And then content providers will start going to the >monoplies also. >Its not going to happen overnight. > >However, the whole point on the protesting is that we are not going to let >it happen. We want to make sure people support third party ISPs and fight >legislation that does not protect third party ISPs, so that this whole topic >will be a mute point. > >We don't want to be the frog. We are smarter. And there is no reason to jump >out of the water, when we can just turn off the heat. > > >Tom DeReggi >RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:16 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > > >> My posting was more along the lines of informational and sensitizing folks >> to focusing their angst toward the appropriate parties. But even if the >> RBOCs are truly the death stars of our universe, I still do not understand >> why folks do not simply bypass them and go directly to the XOs and Sprints >> and Level3s of the world. The RBOCs really don't have any superior >> standing >> or abilities if you can get to alternate upstream providers. I really >> think >> the blocking argument is a non issue. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >> >> >>> The term to better describe the people who are feared is the term >>> "RBOC", not the "ILEC". I consider you and other smaller ILECs who are >>> WISPs to be sharing many common concerns with the rest of us. I try to >>> draw attention to the fact that RBOCs are generally the ones who are >>> using the bully tactics to overpower all the smaller interests in >>> broadband. I think it is a good idea for us to remember this when we >>> are making generalizations about the telco giants out there who could >>> squash our interests easily. I am certain nobody was intentionally >>> referring to you or your ILEC Chuck. >>> Scriv >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Chuck McCown - 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>>> Hold on there. I am an incumbent as in the "I" in ILEC. I have fiber >>>> directly to Level 3, XO and the option of hitting all the rest. If >>>> there >>>> is >>>> such a thing as "the pipe" I wish someone would point it out to me. We >>>> don't control anything. If you are a wholesale customer, you are >>>> essentially directly connected to those two upstream providers. Who are >>>> these incumbents and where is that pipe? >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:42 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sadly, I have to agree. The incumbents want to own the "pipe" so that >>>>> they can control what goes over it and milk as much profit as possible >>>>> from their "pipe". Supposedly it's done to "benefit" the stockholder >>>>> but >>>>> everyone else will be getting screwed. That's the way business is done >>>>> in this day and age. They can't take over the "pipe" all at once >>>>> because >>>>> people would howl bloody murder so they take it away a little bit at a >>>>> time so people don't catch on until it's too late. For more >>>>> perspective, >>>>> one might want to read about "How to boil a frog". >>>>> <http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp> >>>>> >>>>> jack >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi wrote: >>>>>> It can and will happen. There have been plans to take over/Hijack >>>>>> the >>>>>> Internet since day 1. Microsoft being one of the early entities that >>>>>> tried >>>>>> and failed to accomplish it, by purposely modifying standard protocols >>>>>> with >>>>>> microsoft standards to be integrated into the TCP Stack. Its happens >>>>>> already >>>>>> with Smart cell phone. Are developers really that stupid that that its >>>>>> taken >>>>>> them 10 years to get a cell ohone that will work on TCPIP, when >>>>>> instead >>>>>> they >>>>>> try to sell proprietary portals to controlled content. Look who is >>>>>> buying >>>>>> up the INternet? Cable companies! Same with Whitespaces, The >>>>>> Broadcasters >>>>>> are proposing to keep the spectrum, so they can be the next Wireless >>>>>> provider. BUyers with years of history with the mentality charging for >>>>>> content, and packaging content based on the the most profitable offer. >>>>>> >>>>>> The only way to stop it is to enable competition. And the only way to >>>>>> keep >>>>>> it enabled is to subsidize it, to make sure it stays. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure they can block all sites. They can steal your Email customers in >>>>>> about >>>>>> 2 weeks if they want to. All they have to do is block your domain, >>>>>> pretending you are a spammer, and refuse to unblock you, and in two >>>>>> weeks >>>>>> your Email customers will be gone. They can do the same with your web >>>>>> content. Who ever has the majorit market share of customer sites with >>>>>> limited options, will be in control. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anti-Trust protection is the failure of the regulators. Bundling will >>>>>> kill >>>>>> everyone else. Verizon is doing it now... Get a discount on your home >>>>>> broadband, if you buy their cell phone service. >>>>>> If Verizon has your cell phone business, they will get your broadband. >>>>>> AT&T >>>>>> had followed sute, or vice versa. Are you a cell phone provider? Will >>>>>> you >>>>>> be >>>>>> able to compete? Why do you think Comcast was interested in investing >>>>>> in >>>>>> Clearwire? Comcast isn't a cell phone carrier yet. They are at a >>>>>> disadvantage. Verizon used to be at a disadvantage because they >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> offer TV. >>>>>> >>>>>> As long as legislators do not distinguish the difference between >>>>>> different >>>>>> communication services/providers, and allows cross platform bundling, >>>>>> Independant providers will die, Not only the Free Internet. Everyone >>>>>> knows >>>>>> the money is in the content, when you control access to what content >>>>>> people >>>>>> can get to. They only want what they know exists, what they are >>>>>> allowed >>>>>> to >>>>>> know is available. The first step to controlling the content, is >>>>>> controlling >>>>>> the pipe, to force the content. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I can tell you for sure, that IPowers message would not have been >>>>>> allowed to air on Verizon Broadband TV. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Victoria Proffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:29 AM >>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Could this ever happen? >>>>>>> http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of my almost 17 years as an ISP, I find it hard to believe. >>>>>>> How could the LECs possibly block all the sites? >>>>>>> If this is true, what could we do to stop it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for your thoughts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Victoria Proffer >>>>>>> CEO >>>>>>> St. Louis Broadband >>>>>>> Visit us @ >>>>>>> www.StLBroadband.com >>>>>>> 314-974-5600 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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