Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?

2010-10-20 Thread Gary Garrett
I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works

Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?

2010-10-20 Thread Robert West
On the bright side, it will breed a whole wave of encryption. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

2010-10-20 Thread Jason Hensley
How is v4 working for you other than the potential 2GB issue? I’ve been hesitant to move to it since it’s still beta. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:02 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
When the weather goes bad we don't do outside work. Some times of the year that gets to be a real issue. But what I've found is that if we install gear when we can't see we too often end up with something (trees etc.) in the way. The other thing I've done is lay a stick or something like that

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

2010-10-20 Thread Steve Barnes
I like it. However I feel it is still a little buggy in the Discovery module. I have reported one bug and MT has verified it. I have a sub map for each tower. If you setup a weekly discovery to find new clients on towers the saved discovery can change to the last tower you are in. So when

Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?

2010-10-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
What a racket. All I can say is Big Brother. Add another Bill to the list to fight and burn. I do find it ironic though, how classic Sci-Fi literature finds a way to evolve into current day reality politics. Sometimes I think these law makers either did not read enough as kids, or then again

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

2010-10-20 Thread Paul Hendry
Too early to tell. Dealing with one bug at a time ;) _ From: Jason Hensley [mailto:ja...@jaggartech.com] Sent: 20 October 2010 15:41 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation How is v4 working for you other than the potential 2GB issue? I’ve been

Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?

2010-10-20 Thread Stuart Pierce
No doubt, we have politicians that live in a fantasy world while we live in reality. I'm still waiting for mandatory licensing of wireless routers. -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?

2010-10-20 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Bite your tongue. In some countries I am told that it is illegal to send RF across a public ROW with out a license. If you think the government could not manage it, look at the coming 1099 debacle. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: No doubt, we have

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

2010-10-20 Thread Steve Barnes
Another thing that is interesting is that I have 2 links that are UBNT NanoBridge. I just updated the firmware on them from 5.2 to 5.2.1 when doing so the link went from black to Red. It doesn't show that it is down and it doent tell me what is wrong, all the data comes through fine shows

Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Jim Patient
You can also tie a light colored rope on the tower and stretch it out on the line. Most of the time I just take a milk jug or some other light colored object and set it out as far as I can to use as the target. We use a Starrett angle finder to check the tilt. As mentioned in a previous

Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Josh Luthman
Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: You can also tie a light colored rope on the tower and

Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request

2010-10-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
we just finished that a few months ago. It took forever and a day but wasn't really all that hard to do. The ARIN folks were very helpful when I got stuck. I guess I should probably go after some ipv6 space too. Just so I have it available for someday if nothing else. I don't know of many

Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request

2010-10-20 Thread David E. Smith
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:17, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I guess I should probably go after some ipv6 space too. Just so I have it available for someday if nothing else. You'll need it in the next couple years, and it's effectively free. (ARIN charges you the greater of

[WISPA] Today's FCC Digest:

2010-10-20 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
ERRATUM - UNLICENSED OPERATIONS IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS, ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND. Issued an Erratum correcting Second Memorandum Opinion and Order, FCC 10-174, released September 13, 2010. (Dkt No. 02-380 04-186 ). Action by: Chief,

Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Nash
YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom. The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system.

Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Josh Luthman
I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place my projector. There are more uses then people think. On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to

Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Nash
Yeah... and that's one of the reasons I keep THAT friend around... ;) I stopped doing math in high school as soon as I could. There's just no time in the day with 4 music classes on the schedule... - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent:

Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Chuck Profito
Come on Josh, get a couple of land marks from Google Earth, that takes care of left and right, and Google Earth tells you altitude at the base of each plus your height, now it's just up or down from level, a few turns. Google is your friend! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Josh Luthman
So it's 50 foot higher and 10 miles away...what angle is that? On Oct 20, 2010 1:38 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: Come on Josh, get a couple of land marks from Google Earth, that takes care of left and right, and Google Earth tells you altitude at the base of each plus your

Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Data Technology
Don't forget to factor in the curvature of the earth ;) On 10/20/2010 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: So it's 50 foot higher and 10 miles away...what angle is that? On Oct 20, 2010 1:38 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com mailto:cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: Come on Josh, get a couple

Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Terry Hickey
Green Bay Professional Packet Radio http://www.qsl.net/n9zia scroll down to Interactive Wireless / RF Design Utilities all you need is the GPS coordinates LOTS of other stuff there too - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20,

Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Chuck Profito
Well in my area if its e-w about a turn, n-s 2 or 3. But what do I know, Tim's doing the turning, I'm calling the signal levels to him. I'm the tower bender! :-) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010

[WISPA] Amplifiers OFDM: Facts vs Fiction

2010-10-20 Thread Nick Huanca
Hi all, Hope this finds everyone well. I wanted to reach out to the community as I've had a few birdies in my ear telling me to throw bi-directional amplifiers on our 3650 gear to reach the FCC limit on omni-directional antennas. The gear we're thinking about here is a Redline AN100U which has

Re: [WISPA] Amplifiers OFDM: Facts vs Fiction

2010-10-20 Thread Blair Davis
Talk to RF Linx... now streakwave. On 10/20/2010 3:44 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Most of the time a amp will "clip" the signal on an OFDM radio. So you do get amping but not accurate amping. If they make an amp

Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request

2010-10-20 Thread Scott Reed
For those of you looking to get some IPv6 space, you may want to follow the WISPA IPv6 mail list. On 10/20/2010 12:17 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: we just finished that a few months ago. It took forever and a day but wasn't really all that hard to do. The ARIN folks were very helpful when I

[WISPA] tower climbing helmets

2010-10-20 Thread Data Technology
Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing. I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets. Also looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the brim of the helmet will get in the way.

Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

2010-10-20 Thread Josh Luthman
Chin strap is a must. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing. I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI

Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request

2010-10-20 Thread Chuck Hogg
IIRC, you can request double your current allocation space pretty easily if you already have an allocation. Assign pubs to clients, radios, towers, routers, switches, etc. in your IP Plan to Arin. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: For

Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

2010-10-20 Thread Chuck Hogg
Petzl Vertex Vent is what we use. Open the vent for summer, close it for winter. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Chin strap is a must. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy,

Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

2010-10-20 Thread Justin Wilson
Petzl all the way. http://cgi.ebay.com/PETZL-ECRIN-ROC-Rock-Climbing-Helmet-Yellow-NEW-/1505070 48405?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item230aeb4dd5 -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ­ Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing

Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

2010-10-20 Thread Data Technology
Thanks guys, looks like Petzl wins. On 10/20/2010 4:34 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Petzl Vertex Vent is what we use. Open the vent for summer, close it for winter. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

[WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone

2010-10-20 Thread John Thomas
I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like it might save a tower climb somewhere. http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone-quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera. John

Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone

2010-10-20 Thread Rick Harnish
Inspection of tower equipment Preview the area for marketing demographics before signing a contract Locating tower site without climbing roof for line of site issues Watching a high school football game in your car when it is raining :) Tons of uses, not all of them will be good! -Original

Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone

2010-10-20 Thread Blake Bowers
http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/uk/support/questions-answers Going to have to be a short tower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com

Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

2010-10-20 Thread Scott Carullo
Yes the vent with cmi (I think) sombrero attachment Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tower

[WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports

2010-10-20 Thread Scott Carullo
POE Injectors I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power light would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection a bonus I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the shields) to each other or to power ground as well. I have used the

Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?

2010-10-20 Thread RickG
The day they try that I'm buying a bunch and giving them out to everyone I know as long as they promise to light it up! On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: No doubt, we have politicians that live in a fantasy world while we live in reality. I'm still

Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone

2010-10-20 Thread Glenn Kelley
thanks rick for the laugh. last sentence had me giggling On Oct 20, 2010, at 8:43 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: Inspection of tower equipment Preview the area for marketing demographics before signing a contract Locating tower site without climbing roof for line of site issues Watching a high

Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports

2010-10-20 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Suggested alternates :- http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a-CAT5.html http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449 Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On

Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

2010-10-20 Thread RickG
LOL, get the Pickelhaube attachement :) On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Yes the vent with cmi (I think) sombrero attachment Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: Data Technology

Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone

2010-10-20 Thread RickG
Does an iphone include a shaver swiss knife yet? :) On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:21 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like it might save a tower climb somewhere.

Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone

2010-10-20 Thread RickG
Most water tanks are less than 160', so it would work fine for that. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/uk/support/questions-answers Going to have to be a short tower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven

Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports

2010-10-20 Thread RickG
Those are fine but no lights. That last unit is bit pricey. I found a few of the white units: http://www.bizsyscon.com/product/ENGENIUS__POE+EBU-101-01__2201.html http://www.bizsyscon.com/product/ENGENIUS__POE+EBU-101-01__2201.html http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DC-EBU-10102eq=Tp=