[WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

[Alex Onciu]

Hi Edward,
Adam is right. In order to have "SU to SU" direct communication you need
to enable Unicast Relaying and (optional) Broadcast/Multicast Relaying
on the AU.
Below is a quote from the manual related to Unicast Relaying:

4.2.6.4.6 Unicast Relaying (AU only)
The Unicast Relaying option enables selecting whether the unit performs
unicast relaying. When the Unicast Relaying parameter is enabled,
unicast packets originating from devices on the wireless link can be
transmitted back to the wireless link devices. If disabled, these
packets are not sent to the wireless
link even if they are intended for devices on the wireless link. Disable
the Unicast Relaying parameter only if all unicast messages from the
wireless link are certain to be directed to the local wired LAN.
The default selection is Enable.

If you have a more complex scenario maybe you want to change settings
also for the VLAN Relaying.

You can find detailed info about all the setting in the official manual.
If you don't have it let me know and I'll send it to you.

Alex 
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:31:13 -0500
From: "Adam Greene" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
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Hi Edward, I think this is what you may be looking for:

 

On the AU:

 

5 - Advanced Configuration

4 - Bridge Parameters

4 - Broadcast/Multicast Relaying AND 5 - Unicast Relaying

 

Adam

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Edward Spoon
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

 

Yes, I am trying to get Mikrotiks behind 2 different SU's associated to
the
same AP to talk to each other. Unicast didn't do it and I can't find any
"MAC forwarding" settings. Will see if renumbering is an option and try
that
next.

 

Thanks

 




 

 

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> > wrote:

Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other
while both were connected to the same AU.

Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct.



Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312  

On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> At one point they had a "cell extender" that acted as a repeater, but
that
was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to
connect
SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was
never an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting
for
which I had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have
built
the extender.
>
> Patrick Leary
>   M 727.501.3735  
>
>
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>
>
>
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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ]
On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
>
> H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off?  Or maybe it
was
you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk
through
the head router.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312  
>
> On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>> Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE
connection.
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>>M 727.501.3735  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ]
>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
>>
>> It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting
is.
>>
>>
>> Matt Hoppes
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Indigo Wireless
>> +1 (570) 723-7312  
>>
>> On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote:
>>> Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on
the
>>> same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or
>>> disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the
>>> Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

[Adam Greene]

Hi Edward, I think this is what you may be looking for:

 

On the AU:

 

5 - Advanced Configuration

4 - Bridge Parameters

4 - Broadcast/Multicast Relaying AND 5 - Unicast Relaying

 

Adam

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Edward Spoon
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

 

Yes, I am trying to get Mikrotiks behind 2 different SU's associated to the
same AP to talk to each other. Unicast didn't do it and I can't find any
"MAC forwarding" settings. Will see if renumbering is an option and try that
next.

 

Thanks

 




 

 

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> > wrote:

Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other
while both were connected to the same AU.

Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct.



Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312  

On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> At one point they had a "cell extender" that acted as a repeater, but that
was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect
SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was
never an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for
which I had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built
the extender.
>
> Patrick Leary
>   M 727.501.3735  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ] On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
>
> H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off?  Or maybe it was
you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through
the head router.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312  
>
> On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>> Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE
connection.
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>>M 727.501.3735  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ]
>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
>>
>> It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is.
>>
>>
>> Matt Hoppes
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Indigo Wireless
>> +1 (570) 723-7312  
>>
>> On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote:
>>> Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the
>>> same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or
>>> disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the
>>> Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> 
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

[Edward Spoon]

Yes, I am trying to get Mikrotiks behind 2 different SU's associated to the
same AP to talk to each other. Unicast didn't do it and I can't find any
"MAC forwarding" settings. Will see if renumbering is an option and try
that next.

Thanks






On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other
> while both were connected to the same AU.
>
> Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> > At one point they had a "cell extender" that acted as a repeater, but
> that was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to
> connect SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I
> was never an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting
> for which I had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have
> built the extender.
> >
> > Patrick Leary
> >   M 727.501.3735
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
> >
> > H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off?  Or maybe it
> was you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk
> through the head router.
> >
> >
> > Matt Hoppes
> > Director of Information Technology
> > Indigo Wireless
> > +1 (570) 723-7312
> >
> > On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> >> Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE
> connection.
> >>
> >> Patrick Leary
> >>M 727.501.3735
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> >> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
> >>
> >> It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt Hoppes
> >> Director of Information Technology
> >> Indigo Wireless
> >> +1 (570) 723-7312
> >>
> >> On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote:
> >>> Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the
> >>> same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or
> >>> disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the
> >>> Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ___
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> >>> Wireless@wispa.org
> >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

[Freylekhman, Alex]

Hey Patrick
Its called MAC forwarding

Good to hear from you
Alex



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On Jan 20, 2014 3:49 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
Yes, that can be done and commonly was. I do not recall the exact setting.

Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735






-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other while 
both were connected to the same AU.

Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> At one point they had a "cell extender" that acted as a repeater, but that 
> was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect 
> SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never 
> an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I 
> had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the 
> extender.
>
> Patrick Leary
>   M 727.501.3735
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
>
> H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off?  Or maybe it was 
> you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through 
> the head router.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>> Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE 
>> connection.
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>>M 727.501.3735
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
>>
>> It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is.
>>
>>
>> Matt Hoppes
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Indigo Wireless
>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>
>> On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote:
>>> Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on
>>> the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or
>>> disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the
>>> Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

[Patrick Leary]

Yes, that can be done and commonly was. I do not recall the exact setting.

Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735 






-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other while 
both were connected to the same AU.

Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> At one point they had a "cell extender" that acted as a repeater, but that 
> was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect 
> SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never 
> an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I 
> had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the 
> extender.
>
> Patrick Leary
>   M 727.501.3735
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
>
> H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off?  Or maybe it was 
> you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through 
> the head router.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>> Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE 
>> connection.
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>>M 727.501.3735
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
>>
>> It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is.
>>
>>
>> Matt Hoppes
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Indigo Wireless
>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>
>> On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote:
>>> Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on 
>>> the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or 
>>> disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the 
>>> Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

[Matt Hoppes]

Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other 
while both were connected to the same AU.

Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> At one point they had a "cell extender" that acted as a repeater, but that 
> was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect 
> SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never 
> an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I 
> had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the 
> extender.
>
> Patrick Leary
>   M 727.501.3735
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
>
> H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off?  Or maybe it was 
> you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through 
> the head router.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>> Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE 
>> connection.
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>>M 727.501.3735
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
>>
>> It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is.
>>
>>
>> Matt Hoppes
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Indigo Wireless
>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>
>> On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote:
>>> Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the
>>> same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or
>>> disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the
>>> Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

[Patrick Leary]

At one point they had a "cell extender" that acted as a repeater, but that was 
an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect SU to 
SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never an 
engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I had no 
knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the extender.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off?  Or maybe it was you 
have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through the 
head router.


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On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE 
> connection.
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> It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is.
>
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>> Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the 
>> same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or 
>> disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the 
>> Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

[Matt Hoppes]

H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off?  Or maybe it 
was you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk 
through the head router.


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On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE 
> connection.
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>
> It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote:
>> Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the
>> same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or
>> disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the
>> Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all?
>>
>> Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

[Patrick Leary]

Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE connection.

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It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is.


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> Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the 
> same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or 
> disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the 
> Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all?
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

[Matt Hoppes]

It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is.


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On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote:
> Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the
> same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or
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> Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all?
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[WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

[Edward Spoon]

Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the same
AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or disable. Anyone
familiar with where this setting would be in the Alvarion setup, if it is
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Demise?

[wispa]

You are likely thinking of Aperto - it just happened to be that the main 
contact person here for Alvarion moved to them, and I believe recently moved 
back to Alvarion, so it is possible to have confused the two.

If anyone is needs Alvarion-compatible WiMAX CPE get in touch with me off-line: 
we can supply under reasonable MOQ.

Daniel

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> Didn't they partner with Tranzeo.  Seems like a bad move on both their
> parts.
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> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM, lakeland  wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Demise?

[Phil Curnutt]

Didn't they partner with Tranzeo.  Seems like a bad move on both their
parts.

Phil


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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion B100 802.1Q-IN-Q

[Patrick Leary]

I have sent you an offlist post Carlos.

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Anyone doing 802.1q-in-q through alvarion B100 radio's?  There data
sheets
lack detail and there website seem to not have any #'s to call to talk
to
a pre sales.

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[WISPA] Alvarion B100 802.1Q-IN-Q

[Carlos Alcantar]

Anyone doing 802.1q-in-q through alvarion B100 radio's?  There data sheets
lack detail and there website seem to not have any #'s to call to talk to
a pre sales.

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion firmware v6.5 question

[Bryan Fields]

On 5/25/2011 10:55, Eduardo wrote:
> Is someone already using v6.5 in BreezeAcess VL radios?
>  
> I'm looking for some input about its performance.

I've got a few customers running it.  From what they tell me there is no
difference in performance between it and 6.0.21. 

The only change in the software affects the upgrade keys, so if you need to
buy an upgrade key, you'll need 6.5.7 going forward.  You can downgrade, but
the 6.5.7 code will modify the downgraded code to accept the new software
license keys.

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion firmware v6.5 question

[Bryan Fields]

Trying this again, it did not post the first time.

rOn 5/25/2011 10:55, Eduardo wrote:
> Is someone already using v6.5 in BreezeAcess VL radios?
>  
> I'm looking for some input about its performance.

I've got a few customers running it.  From what they tell me there is no
difference in performance between it and 6.0.21. 

The only change in the software affects the upgrade keys, so if you need to
buy an upgrade key, you'll need 6.5.7 going forward.  You can downgrade, but
the 6.5.7 code will modify the downgraded code to accept the new software
license keys.  This way if you need 6.0.21 or 5.5x on the network you can
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion firmware v6.5 question

[Gino Villarini]

Alva who?

 

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Is someone already using v6.5 in BreezeAcess VL radios?

 

I'm looking for some input about its performance.

 

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[WISPA] Alvarion firmware v6.5 question

[Eduardo]

Is someone already using v6.5 in BreezeAcess VL radios?

I'm looking for some input about its performance.

Any comments?

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.

[Marco Coelho]

I just looked, and we still have a few customers running on breezenet
systems

Marco

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Larry A Weidig  wrote:

> And the type of radios allowed to connect.  AUS's will not allow
> connections from the 24 or 54 radios, even at lower rates.  The AUS's
> can be upgraded to the full AU's with a license key.  They are hardware
> wise identical.
>
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> Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:42 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
>
> Speed, No. No difference Just the amount of SU's that are allowed to
> connect.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Cameron Kilton
> Project Manager
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> http://www.midcoast.com
> c...@midcoast.com
> (207) 594-8277 x 108
>
> On 5/17/2011 2:47 PM, Eduardo wrote:
> > Is there some difference between an AUS and an AU?
> > I mean in terms of the speed.
> > Eduardo
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Cameron Kilton <mailto:c...@midcoast.com>
> > *To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:29 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
> >
> > Rev A units topped out around 30mbit net
> > Reb B units around 32 mbit net but added Wireless Link
> Prioritization
> > (good for VoIP)
> > Rev C units around 35mbit net throughput.
> >
> > I have dozens of these in the air, super reliable.
> >
> > 3M SU will get your 3 down and 2 up
> >
> > 6M SU will get you 6 down 4 up.
> >
> > 24M SU will get you around 15 down and 10 up (cross your fingers
> for
> > high modulation
> >
> > 54M SU, need great modulation you can see the full net throughput
> but
> > reality is around 30mbit net in a point to point situation.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Cameron
> >
> > On 5/17/2011 1:17 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:
> >  > I think you're talking about breezenet era equipment (hopper)
> at
> > these
> >  > speeds. The VL lines were faster.
> >  >
> >  > mc
> >  >
> >  > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Gary Evans
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> >  > <mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com>> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg.
> Good /
> >  > reliable stuff though.
> >  >
> >  > -Gary-
> >  >
> >  > > Good Afternoon,
> >  > >
> >  > > I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA.
> Does
> >  > anyone
> >  > > know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an
> access
> >  > point can
> >  > > manage?
> >  > >
> >  > > Thanks,
> >  > >
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Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.

[Larry A Weidig]

And the type of radios allowed to connect.  AUS's will not allow
connections from the 24 or 54 radios, even at lower rates.  The AUS's
can be upgraded to the full AU's with a license key.  They are hardware
wise identical.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.

Speed, No. No difference Just the amount of SU's that are allowed to 
connect.


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On 5/17/2011 2:47 PM, Eduardo wrote:
> Is there some difference between an AUS and an AU?
> I mean in terms of the speed.
> Eduardo
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Cameron Kilton <mailto:c...@midcoast.com>
> *To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
>
> Rev A units topped out around 30mbit net
> Reb B units around 32 mbit net but added Wireless Link
Prioritization
> (good for VoIP)
> Rev C units around 35mbit net throughput.
>
> I have dozens of these in the air, super reliable.
>
> 3M SU will get your 3 down and 2 up
>
> 6M SU will get you 6 down 4 up.
>
> 24M SU will get you around 15 down and 10 up (cross your fingers
for
> high modulation
>
> 54M SU, need great modulation you can see the full net throughput
but
> reality is around 30mbit net in a point to point situation.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Cameron
>
> On 5/17/2011 1:17 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:
>  > I think you're talking about breezenet era equipment (hopper)
at
> these
>  > speeds. The VL lines were faster.
>  >
>  > mc
>  >
>  > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Gary Evans
 <mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com>
>  > <mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com>> wrote:
>  >
>  > They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg.
Good /
>  > reliable stuff though.
>  >
>  > -Gary-
>  >
>  > > Good Afternoon,
>  > >
>  > > I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA.
Does
>  > anyone
>  > > know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an
access
>  > point can
>  > > manage?
>  > >
>  > > Thanks,
>  > >
>  > > --Eric Roth
>  > > Technology Specialist
>  > > Webjogger Internet Services
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Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.

[Cameron Kilton]

Speed, No. No difference Just the amount of SU's that are allowed to 
connect.


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On 5/17/2011 2:47 PM, Eduardo wrote:
> Is there some difference between an AUS and an AU?
> I mean in terms of the speed.
> Eduardo
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> - Original Message -
> *From:* Cameron Kilton <mailto:c...@midcoast.com>
> *To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
>
> Rev A units topped out around 30mbit net
> Reb B units around 32 mbit net but added Wireless Link Prioritization
> (good for VoIP)
> Rev C units around 35mbit net throughput.
>
> I have dozens of these in the air, super reliable.
>
> 3M SU will get your 3 down and 2 up
>
> 6M SU will get you 6 down 4 up.
>
> 24M SU will get you around 15 down and 10 up (cross your fingers for
> high modulation
>
> 54M SU, need great modulation you can see the full net throughput but
> reality is around 30mbit net in a point to point situation.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Cameron
>
> On 5/17/2011 1:17 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:
>  > I think you're talking about breezenet era equipment (hopper) at
> these
>  > speeds. The VL lines were faster.
>  >
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>  > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Gary Evans  <mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com>
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>  > reliable stuff though.
>  >
>  > -Gary-
>  >
>  > > Good Afternoon,
>  > >
>  > > I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does
>  > anyone
>  > > know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access
>  > point can
>  > > manage?
>  > >
>  > > Thanks,
>  > >
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Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.

[Eduardo]

Is there some difference between an AUS and an AU?

I mean in terms of the speed.

Eduardo
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cameron Kilton 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.


  Rev A units topped out around 30mbit net
  Reb B units around 32 mbit net but added Wireless Link Prioritization 
  (good for VoIP)
  Rev C units around 35mbit net throughput.

  I have dozens of these in the air, super reliable.

  3M SU will get your 3 down and 2 up

  6M SU will get you 6 down 4 up.

  24M SU will get you around 15 down and 10 up (cross your fingers for 
  high modulation

  54M SU, need great modulation you can see the full net throughput but 
  reality is around 30mbit net in a point to point situation.


  Thanks,
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  On 5/17/2011 1:17 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:
  > I think you're talking about breezenet era equipment (hopper) at these
  > speeds.  The VL lines were faster.
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  > mc
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  > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Gary Evans  <mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com>> wrote:
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  > They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good /
  > reliable stuff though.
  >
  > -Gary-
  >
  >  > Good Afternoon,
  >  >
  >  > I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does
  > anyone
  >  > know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access
  > point can
  >  > manage?
  >  >
  >  > Thanks,
  >  >
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Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.

[Cameron Kilton]

Rev A units topped out around 30mbit net
Reb B units around 32 mbit net but added Wireless Link Prioritization 
(good for VoIP)
Rev C units around 35mbit net throughput.

I have dozens of these in the air, super reliable.

3M SU will get your 3 down and 2 up

6M SU will get you 6 down 4 up.

24M SU will get you around 15 down and 10 up (cross your fingers for 
high modulation

54M SU, need great modulation you can see the full net throughput but 
reality is around 30mbit net in a point to point situation.


Thanks,
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On 5/17/2011 1:17 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:
> I think you're talking about breezenet era equipment (hopper) at these
> speeds.  The VL lines were faster.
>
> mc
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Gary Evans  > wrote:
>
> They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good /
> reliable stuff though.
>
> -Gary-
>
>  > Good Afternoon,
>  >
>  > I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does
> anyone
>  > know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access
> point can
>  > manage?
>  >
>  > Thanks,
>  >
>  > --Eric Roth
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Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.

[Marco Coelho]

I think you're talking about breezenet era equipment (hopper) at these
speeds.  The VL lines were faster.

mc

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Gary Evans  wrote:

> They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good /
> reliable stuff though.
>
> -Gary-
>
> > Good Afternoon,
> >
> > I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does anyone
> > know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access point can
> > manage?
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> >
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Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.

[Gary Evans]

Oops, sorry. Missed the VL part.

> On 5/16/2011 22:36, Gary Evans wrote:
>> They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good /
>> reliable stuff though.
> This is the GFSK radios.
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Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.

[Bryan Fields]

On 5/16/2011 22:36, Gary Evans wrote:
> They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good /
> reliable stuff though.
This is the GFSK radios. 

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Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.

[Gary Evans]

They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good /
reliable stuff though.

-Gary-

> Good Afternoon,
>
> I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does anyone
> know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access point can
> manage?
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> Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.

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On 16 May 2011 14:05, Eric Roth  wrote:

> Good Afternoon,
>
> I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does anyone
> know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access point can
> manage?
>

1. It depends.

2. Not very much.



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[WISPA] alvarion question.

[Eric Roth]

Good Afternoon,

I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does anyone
know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access point can
manage?

Thanks,

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[WISPA] Alvarion VL 900 AU and SU

[Cameron Kilton]

Had a project fall through, trying to find this stuff a good home. 
Contact me off list.

I have 15 AUS units and 100 CPE
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Re: [WISPA] alvarion vl grounding

[Larry A Weidig]

We have looked as well, but with the VL's using the 55VDC there
does not seem to be anything else available.  Would possibly be
interested in purchasing with you direct if that will help our pricing
more.  Hit me offline if you want to discuss that as it is probably not
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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:11 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] alvarion vl grounding

We have been using Transtector ALPU-ALVR units, they work great, but the

price on these units keeps climbing higher and higher it seems. They are

at almost $200/unit with tessco. Transtector directly gave me a better 
price for a quantity purchase, but before I move forward with that, I 
would like to know if anybody is using another product with good
success.
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[WISPA] alvarion vl grounding

[Cameron Kilton]

We have been using Transtector ALPU-ALVR units, they work great, but the 
price on these units keeps climbing higher and higher it seems. They are 
at almost $200/unit with tessco. Transtector directly gave me a better 
price for a quantity purchase, but before I move forward with that, I 
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[WISPA] Alvarion & Trango for sale

[Cameron Kilton]

I have:

(1) Trango 5830 AP $150
(1) Trango 5830-ext AP $150
(1) Alvarion AU-VL-5.8 $700
(1) Alvarion SU-E-54-5.8BD-VL $350
(1) Rev B Alvarion B28 BU and RB $600

Make an offer offlist. I'll cover ground shipping costs within the US.


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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[Charles Wu]

So what sort of pps ratio are you getting on VL?  Are you selling voice over 
multipoint?  How many *lines* are you putting out on a CPE and supporting 
reliably -- 5? 10? 20?

Also, could you send me that 500+ page pdf?  Can't seem to find it anywhere on 
Alvarion's site

-Charles

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We've been using VL since it came out. I would also recommend the 5.5.26 
firmware for vl 5.8ghz.

We routinely install it on overlapping or adjacent channels on the same 
tower. (I.e. 5830 for a backhaul, 5820 for a sector 40 feet away). 

If you have revA gear, change it to rev C or better and sell or reuse 
the revA gear for a rural low volume backhaul. In revB and newer 
hardware, it has some things 5ghz wifi stuff doesn't. Packet aggregation 
of up to 4000+ byte radio packets is possible with rev c or newer. This 
lets you do very high PPS rates for small packets that regular wifi gear 
won't do. The modulation adaption algorithm is completely adjustable. 
The retries, etc.. are all fully adjustable.

Spectrum analyzer is very nice.

You have adjustable noise floor for use in high interference areas.
You also have ATPC which I think all gear should have. It's got 
something called drap for prioritizing voice calls, but I can't explain 
it. Every feature is highly tweakable. 

It's completely programmable with SNMP. We have a script to program 
customer radios before they go out the door with installers. After it's 
installed, everything is monitorable with SNMP, unlike MT, ubnt, etc..

It has a nice 500+ page pdf manual for the software and everything is 
well explained, unlike MT/UBNT. The software is reliable; I have links 
with uptimes over a year.

It's available in US certified 5.4. 

They have quality integrated MTI antennas.

The major downfall of VL is the CPE are speed limited, requiring an 
upgrade key purchase to get full speed. For this reason, we are 
upgrading some sectors to UBNT-M5 for more customer speed. We'll reuse 
the VL radios elsewhere as we are spoiled by them. A minor downfall is 
their support ticketing system only uses IE, but we don't deal with 
their support very much.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:15:44AM -0400, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> VL has been a love/hate for us.  When it works, it works great.
> However, it has several serious flaws.  It has the same
> associate/dis-associate issue seen with other WDS implementations.  If
> a weak client continues to associate/dis-associate, packet loss to all
> radios on the sector happens and can even shut down the AP for long
> periods of time.  No easy way to see on the AP the number of times
> this happens either.  SNR is completely worthless for determining
> anything.  Some of our worst channels are ones where clients show
> fantastic SNR.  And, as said before, noise is a killer.  It's very
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> separation.
> 
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> released, they typically are addresses.
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I've had VL for a number of years now.  Only 7 subs or so on it.

Over all I'd say the product is great.

Except for one thing.  At random times, usually 8am monday morn but others 
as well, it'll just quit passing traffic.  I have 2 ap's at the same tower 
and they'll both go down at the same time.

Here's the strange part.  You can log into the cpe units tied to those 
towers.  The customer's just can't get data through the AP.  The customer 
can ping the ap, just not past the ap.

Wait an hour and it'll be fine again.  Might be ok for a week or a day or a 
month.  The only cure is to wait or power cycle (reboot won't fix it).  No 
firmware has fixed it.

shrug
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users


>A have to say, some pf those past comments are a bit unfair, and not
> relevent to the question asked.
>
> Maybe because Patrick is now at Aperto, and not here to defend Alvarion? 
> :-)
>
> We dont deploy Alvarion, but we have used it in some cases. It simply is 
> not
> cost justified for us, since how we deploy. We generally have a very low 
> CPE
> count per AP, and Alvarion has a heavy AP price, and we serve mostly
> Multi-tenant buildings, requiring high capacity CPE, and Alvarion charges
> more for allowing full throughput both at the AP and CPE. Licensing cost 
> for
> full featured CPE/AP is expensive, no doubt.   We can talk all day about 
> why
> it might not be cost justified. Or maybe how it lacks on-the-fly 
> flexibilty
> being single pol, single band.
>
> But saying that the gear does not perform, (or worse in noise compared to
> products of similar class) simply is not true. Alvarion was one of the 
> first
> that actually developed firmware optimized for quality VOIP. Their 
> adaptive
> modulation routines work well. There ability to scan at CPE for noise
> remotely is cool. There insightfulness to have exterior LED represent SNR
> instead of RSSI was ingenious. They have super clean RF
> transmitters/receivers, because they are intentionally single band radios.
> It might even have better embedded filters? Alvarion uses the same Atheros
> OFDM RF Chip as any other Atheros radio, how in the world can one justify
> saying that Alvarion has worse RF performance in noise? It all boils down 
> to
> SNR for everybody. Alvarion does however have enhancements, to make it one
> better than gear that uses just a basic Atheros chip. And Alvarion is
> designed to enable operators to select antennas of choice to enable full
> allowable power within the band.
>
> Many successful large scale residential projects are based on Alvarion VL,
> because it can scale with large CPE relatively well.
>
> My point here is it important to compare apples to apples. Sure, Canopy,
> Trango, and even Proxim DSSS systems with Circular can handle noise much
> much better than OFDM and QAM modulation type gear can.  Its reasons why 
> we
> still use Trango in many of our noisy PtMP locations.  But comparing
> Alvarion VL to other OFDM products, I believe Alvarion compares very well.
> I'd argue that Alvarion is probably one of the best perfoming radios still
> based on CDMA/CA, because of their proprietary MAC.  Although I agree 
> there
> are advantages to Polling which Is why we primarilly use polling systems,
> there are many advantages to CDMA/CA also, and it should not be discounted
> because of that, unless its determined a Polling system is actually needed
> for the application.
>
> Saying Alvarion VL has nothing much over WIFI, is a croc, and simply not
> true. We haven't even discussed the rock solid hardware, such as thick
> heatsink cases, etc.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brad Belton" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
>
>
> Agreed.  A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL.
> Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a
> valued client before we threw in the towel.  No mechanism to deal with 
> noise
> AT ALL.  For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for
> an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion V

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[jp]

We've been using VL since it came out. I would also recommend the 5.5.26 
firmware for vl 5.8ghz.

We routinely install it on overlapping or adjacent channels on the same 
tower. (I.e. 5830 for a backhaul, 5820 for a sector 40 feet away). 

If you have revA gear, change it to rev C or better and sell or reuse 
the revA gear for a rural low volume backhaul. In revB and newer 
hardware, it has some things 5ghz wifi stuff doesn't. Packet aggregation 
of up to 4000+ byte radio packets is possible with rev c or newer. This 
lets you do very high PPS rates for small packets that regular wifi gear 
won't do. The modulation adaption algorithm is completely adjustable. 
The retries, etc.. are all fully adjustable.

Spectrum analyzer is very nice.

You have adjustable noise floor for use in high interference areas.
You also have ATPC which I think all gear should have. It's got 
something called drap for prioritizing voice calls, but I can't explain 
it. Every feature is highly tweakable. 

It's completely programmable with SNMP. We have a script to program 
customer radios before they go out the door with installers. After it's 
installed, everything is monitorable with SNMP, unlike MT, ubnt, etc..

It has a nice 500+ page pdf manual for the software and everything is 
well explained, unlike MT/UBNT. The software is reliable; I have links 
with uptimes over a year.

It's available in US certified 5.4. 

They have quality integrated MTI antennas.

The major downfall of VL is the CPE are speed limited, requiring an 
upgrade key purchase to get full speed. For this reason, we are 
upgrading some sectors to UBNT-M5 for more customer speed. We'll reuse 
the VL radios elsewhere as we are spoiled by them. A minor downfall is 
their support ticketing system only uses IE, but we don't deal with 
their support very much.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:15:44AM -0400, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> VL has been a love/hate for us.  When it works, it works great.
> However, it has several serious flaws.  It has the same
> associate/dis-associate issue seen with other WDS implementations.  If
> a weak client continues to associate/dis-associate, packet loss to all
> radios on the sector happens and can even shut down the AP for long
> periods of time.  No easy way to see on the AP the number of times
> this happens either.  SNR is completely worthless for determining
> anything.  Some of our worst channels are ones where clients show
> fantastic SNR.  And, as said before, noise is a killer.  It's very
> difficult to co-locate APs on the same tower even with 20 MHz of
> separation.
> 
> Now that Canopy 430 is out, we'll be ditching Alvarion and moving to
> Canopy.  Canopy has been the best product we have used and the
> software continues to mature and while bug fixes are slow to be
> released, they typically are addresses.
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[Cameron Kilton]

Having been a VL user since 2003, I can say it performs well in noisy 
enviorments with nothing more than 90 degree sectors, noisy areas with 
120's, not so much.

It performs amazing in rural applications with little noise. Also to 
repeat what Tom said, they are extremely clean and efficient with spectrum.

However, they are very expensive and I wish they had GPS sync :(

They didn't release GPC sync with there 900mhz VL line either which was 
a shame as well.

Thanks,
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On 4/26/2010 12:03 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> A have to say, some pf those past comments are a bit unfair, and not
> relevent to the question asked.
>
> Maybe because Patrick is now at Aperto, and not here to defend Alvarion? :-)
>
> We dont deploy Alvarion, but we have used it in some cases. It simply is not
> cost justified for us, since how we deploy. We generally have a very low CPE
> count per AP, and Alvarion has a heavy AP price, and we serve mostly
> Multi-tenant buildings, requiring high capacity CPE, and Alvarion charges
> more for allowing full throughput both at the AP and CPE. Licensing cost for
> full featured CPE/AP is expensive, no doubt.   We can talk all day about why
> it might not be cost justified. Or maybe how it lacks on-the-fly flexibilty
> being single pol, single band.
>
> But saying that the gear does not perform, (or worse in noise compared to
> products of similar class) simply is not true. Alvarion was one of the first
> that actually developed firmware optimized for quality VOIP. Their adaptive
> modulation routines work well. There ability to scan at CPE for noise
> remotely is cool. There insightfulness to have exterior LED represent SNR
> instead of RSSI was ingenious. They have super clean RF
> transmitters/receivers, because they are intentionally single band radios.
> It might even have better embedded filters? Alvarion uses the same Atheros
> OFDM RF Chip as any other Atheros radio, how in the world can one justify
> saying that Alvarion has worse RF performance in noise? It all boils down to
> SNR for everybody. Alvarion does however have enhancements, to make it one
> better than gear that uses just a basic Atheros chip. And Alvarion is
> designed to enable operators to select antennas of choice to enable full
> allowable power within the band.
>
> Many successful large scale residential projects are based on Alvarion VL,
> because it can scale with large CPE relatively well.
>
> My point here is it important to compare apples to apples. Sure, Canopy,
> Trango, and even Proxim DSSS systems with Circular can handle noise much
> much better than OFDM and QAM modulation type gear can.  Its reasons why we
> still use Trango in many of our noisy PtMP locations.  But comparing
> Alvarion VL to other OFDM products, I believe Alvarion compares very well.
> I'd argue that Alvarion is probably one of the best perfoming radios still
> based on CDMA/CA, because of their proprietary MAC.  Although I agree there
> are advantages to Polling which Is why we primarilly use polling systems,
> there are many advantages to CDMA/CA also, and it should not be discounted
> because of that, unless its determined a Polling system is actually needed
> for the application.
>
> Saying Alvarion VL has nothing much over WIFI, is a croc, and simply not
> true. We haven't even discussed the rock solid hardware, such as thick
> heatsink cases, etc.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brad Belton"
> To: "'WISPA General List'"
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
>
>
> Agreed.  A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL.
> Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a
> valued client before we threw in the towel.  No mechanism to deal with noise
> AT ALL.  For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for
> an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
>
> On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu  wrote:
>> Any Alvarion VL users out there? We're inheriting several towers, and
> curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention
>
> Poor. No RADIUS auth for

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[Tom DeReggi]

A have to say, some pf those past comments are a bit unfair, and not 
relevent to the question asked.

Maybe because Patrick is now at Aperto, and not here to defend Alvarion? :-)

We dont deploy Alvarion, but we have used it in some cases. It simply is not 
cost justified for us, since how we deploy. We generally have a very low CPE 
count per AP, and Alvarion has a heavy AP price, and we serve mostly 
Multi-tenant buildings, requiring high capacity CPE, and Alvarion charges 
more for allowing full throughput both at the AP and CPE. Licensing cost for 
full featured CPE/AP is expensive, no doubt.   We can talk all day about why 
it might not be cost justified. Or maybe how it lacks on-the-fly flexibilty 
being single pol, single band.

But saying that the gear does not perform, (or worse in noise compared to 
products of similar class) simply is not true. Alvarion was one of the first 
that actually developed firmware optimized for quality VOIP. Their adaptive 
modulation routines work well. There ability to scan at CPE for noise 
remotely is cool. There insightfulness to have exterior LED represent SNR 
instead of RSSI was ingenious. They have super clean RF 
transmitters/receivers, because they are intentionally single band radios. 
It might even have better embedded filters? Alvarion uses the same Atheros 
OFDM RF Chip as any other Atheros radio, how in the world can one justify 
saying that Alvarion has worse RF performance in noise? It all boils down to 
SNR for everybody. Alvarion does however have enhancements, to make it one 
better than gear that uses just a basic Atheros chip. And Alvarion is 
designed to enable operators to select antennas of choice to enable full 
allowable power within the band.

Many successful large scale residential projects are based on Alvarion VL, 
because it can scale with large CPE relatively well.

My point here is it important to compare apples to apples. Sure, Canopy, 
Trango, and even Proxim DSSS systems with Circular can handle noise much 
much better than OFDM and QAM modulation type gear can.  Its reasons why we 
still use Trango in many of our noisy PtMP locations.  But comparing 
Alvarion VL to other OFDM products, I believe Alvarion compares very well. 
I'd argue that Alvarion is probably one of the best perfoming radios still 
based on CDMA/CA, because of their proprietary MAC.  Although I agree there 
are advantages to Polling which Is why we primarilly use polling systems, 
there are many advantages to CDMA/CA also, and it should not be discounted 
because of that, unless its determined a Polling system is actually needed 
for the application.

Saying Alvarion VL has nothing much over WIFI, is a croc, and simply not 
true. We haven't even discussed the rock solid hardware, such as thick 
heatsink cases, etc.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Brad Belton" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users


Agreed.  A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL.
Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a
valued client before we threw in the towel.  No mechanism to deal with noise
AT ALL.  For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for
an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu  wrote:
> Any Alvarion VL users out there? We're inheriting several towers, and
curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention

Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no
transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[can...@believewireless.net]

VL has been a love/hate for us.  When it works, it works great.
However, it has several serious flaws.  It has the same
associate/dis-associate issue seen with other WDS implementations.  If
a weak client continues to associate/dis-associate, packet loss to all
radios on the sector happens and can even shut down the AP for long
periods of time.  No easy way to see on the AP the number of times
this happens either.  SNR is completely worthless for determining
anything.  Some of our worst channels are ones where clients show
fantastic SNR.  And, as said before, noise is a killer.  It's very
difficult to co-locate APs on the same tower even with 20 MHz of
separation.

Now that Canopy 430 is out, we'll be ditching Alvarion and moving to
Canopy.  Canopy has been the best product we have used and the
software continues to mature and while bug fixes are slow to be
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[Brad Belton]

Hello Adam,

Good information to know.  Yes, our experience with VL was some time
ago...well before 5.5.26 for sure!  

I can't believe I'm saying this, but we may have an application for a VL
deployment in a desert at some point.  We're looking for a PtMP system with
AES256 and I'm pretty sure VL has it.  Not sure if there are any other PtMP
products out there with AES256, but if a vendor reads this and has such a
critter feel free to send me information off list.

Best,



Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

Hi Brad,
Alvarion firmware 5.5.26 and above have some decent mechanisms to deal with
noise and flooded RF environments. However, the clients need to have a
decent receive level (roughly -65 or better) if the noise floor is higher
than -90 in order to keep traffic flowing decently. There are a couple other
mechanisms internally to the radio such as Noise Immunity controls and a few
others. 5.5 and above is almost a requirement when running Alvarion VL
equipment. Anything below 5.5 doesn't show noise floor or RSSI (they only
show SNR, which is just weird).


On 4/24/10 8:05 PM, "Brad Belton"  wrote:

> Agreed.  A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL.
> Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a
> valued client before we threw in the towel.  No mechanism to deal with
noise
> AT ALL.  For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for
> an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
>
> On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu  wrote:
>> Any Alvarion VL users out there?  We're inheriting several towers, and
> curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention
>
> Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no
> transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for
> variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[Adam Kennedy]

Hi Brad,
Alvarion firmware 5.5.26 and above have some decent mechanisms to deal with
noise and flooded RF environments. However, the clients need to have a
decent receive level (roughly -65 or better) if the noise floor is higher
than -90 in order to keep traffic flowing decently. There are a couple other
mechanisms internally to the radio such as Noise Immunity controls and a few
others. 5.5 and above is almost a requirement when running Alvarion VL
equipment. Anything below 5.5 doesn't show noise floor or RSSI (they only
show SNR, which is just weird).


On 4/24/10 8:05 PM, "Brad Belton"  wrote:

> Agreed.  A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL.
> Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a
> valued client before we threw in the towel.  No mechanism to deal with noise
> AT ALL.  For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for
> an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
>
> On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu  wrote:
>> Any Alvarion VL users out there?  We're inheriting several towers, and
> curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention
>
> Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no
> transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for
> variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[Justin Wilson]

The VL series is one of Alvarion¹s better lines.  In a previous role I
was part of a team which managed Alvarion VL 5.8 Backhauls.  I was
impressed.  Overpriced IMHO but since we had them I was happy with their
performance.  
-- 
Justin Wilson 
http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support



From: Charles Wu 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:55:51 -0500
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

Any Alvarion VL users out there?  We're inheriting several towers, and
curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[Brad Belton]

Agreed.  A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL.
Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a
valued client before we threw in the towel.  No mechanism to deal with noise
AT ALL.  For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for
an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO.

Best,


Brad


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Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu  wrote:
> Any Alvarion VL users out there?  We're inheriting several towers, and
curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention

Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no
transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for
variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases.




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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[Jeremy Parr]

On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu  wrote:
> Any Alvarion VL users out there?  We're inheriting several towers, and 
> curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention

Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no
transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for
variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases.



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[WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[Charles Wu]

Any Alvarion VL users out there?  We're inheriting several towers, and curious 
about performance -- in particular with voice and contention

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Scott Carullo]

Oops  not offlist good thing it wasn't a secret ;)

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102



From: "Jeremie Chism" 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

All I can say is that the effects of a lower modulated customer on my  
alvarion system seem to have a more profound impact on the system than  
what I have seen so far on 3.65. Granted I've only had the wimax up  
for 8 months and that's the only data I have to go on.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:

> There is no protocol design that can achieve that. A TDD system is a
> population of time slots; if a bunch of users (not just a couple) with
> high traffic demand (not low traffic or small bursts) have low
> modulation, it will talke more time slots to serve them. If a fairness
> system based on bandwidth is in place them all of the users will still
> suffer; if a fairness system based on time-slots is in place they
> won't get the service you promised them. There is no free lunch.
>
> I've run a 3.5 GHz WiMAX system with 3.5 MHz channels and the base
> station was always complaining the system was too oversubscribed;
> guess what, it was right, we were trying to serve more than feasible
> CIR/MIR traffic on those BSTs. Having a rule that only QAM16/QAM64
> stations were allowed improved this problem a lot.
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
>  wrote:
>> I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the  
>> customers
>> with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest  
>> with good
>> connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
>>
>> I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple
>> customers with lower modulation because of non line of site  
>> situations
>> and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. "Supposedly"
>> wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion  
>> 900.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>>
>>> That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
>>> purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor  
>>> told
>>> you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because
>>> of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.
>>>
>>> If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine
>>> with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rubens
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in
>>>> operation? Was
>>>> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO
>>>> that with
>>>> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the
>>>> AP on a
>>>> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the
>>>> NLOS was so
>>>> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and
>>>> 2.4ghz
>>>> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire
>>>> customer
>>>> base.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this
>>>> firsthand.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>> WAVELINC
>>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>> 419-562-6405
>>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> ---
>>>> ---
>>>> ---
>>>> --- 
>>>> -
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? OFFLIST

[Scott Carullo]

so what wimax gear are you using?

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102



From: "Jeremie Chism" 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

All I can say is that the effects of a lower modulated customer on my  
alvarion system seem to have a more profound impact on the system than  
what I have seen so far on 3.65. Granted I've only had the wimax up  
for 8 months and that's the only data I have to go on.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:

> There is no protocol design that can achieve that. A TDD system is a
> population of time slots; if a bunch of users (not just a couple) with
> high traffic demand (not low traffic or small bursts) have low
> modulation, it will talke more time slots to serve them. If a fairness
> system based on bandwidth is in place them all of the users will still
> suffer; if a fairness system based on time-slots is in place they
> won't get the service you promised them. There is no free lunch.
>
> I've run a 3.5 GHz WiMAX system with 3.5 MHz channels and the base
> station was always complaining the system was too oversubscribed;
> guess what, it was right, we were trying to serve more than feasible
> CIR/MIR traffic on those BSTs. Having a rule that only QAM16/QAM64
> stations were allowed improved this problem a lot.
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
>  wrote:
>> I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the  
>> customers
>> with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest  
>> with good
>> connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
>>
>> I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple
>> customers with lower modulation because of non line of site  
>> situations
>> and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. "Supposedly"
>> wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion  
>> 900.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>>
>>> That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
>>> purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor  
>>> told
>>> you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because
>>> of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.
>>>
>>> If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine
>>> with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rubens
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in
>>>> operation? Was
>>>> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO
>>>> that with
>>>> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the
>>>> AP on a
>>>> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the
>>>> NLOS was so
>>>> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and
>>>> 2.4ghz
>>>> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire
>>>> customer
>>>> base.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this
>>>> firsthand.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>> WAVELINC
>>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>> 419-562-6405
>>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> ---
>>>> ---
>>>> ---
>>>> --- 
>>>> -
>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Jeremie Chism]

On the motorola webinar today they talked about the benefits of  
diversity and had comparisons between 900 3.65 part d and motorola's  
320. Of course I understand the 90 percent of what they probably said  
was a stretch of the truth. They had a guy in Florida that tested all  
three and the 320 made links that the others couldn't.  They cited the  
benefit of Mimo from multipath and reflection and said the benefits in  
certain frequencies were more prominent than lower frequencies.

Just putting what was said out there.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Chuck Bartosch   
wrote:

>
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>
>> My point here is that Diversity can make a huge difference,  
>> "diversity" is
>> the differenciator, but that the benefit of diversity can vary  
>> dependant on
>> the Freq used and environment tackling, based on past experience.
>
> Without looking up the math on this, I would speculate that the  
> reason is wavelength. At 3.65 we're about 4' apart. To get the same  
> advantage at 900 MHz I'd willing to bet you might need to be quite a  
> bit further apart-which isn't practical in most cases. I'm not  
> willing to say it scales with wavelength (not without looking at the  
> actual equations that is) but wavelength is going to be a factor in  
> how effective diversity is at any given distance between two  
> antennas. On the other hand, moving the antennas further apart at  
> lower frequencies should be able to re-create the advantage.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck Bartosch" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
>>
>>
>>> We did not find that WiMax in general was better than 900. The key  
>>> isn't
>>> WiMax, per se, but diversity antennas. Performance is *helped* by  
>>> being
>>> 3.65 WiMax but that alone does NOT obviate the need for 900 in our
>>> experience. Diversity is key.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple
>>>> customers with lower modulation because of non line of site  
>>>> situations
>>>> and have seen no impact on the entire system in general.  
>>>> "Supposedly"
>>>> wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my  
>>>> alvarion 900.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
>>>>> purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor  
>>>>> told
>>>>> you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell  
>>>>> because
>>>>> of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be  
>>>>> fine
>>>>> with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rubens
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in
>>>>>> operation? Was
>>>>>> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO
>>>>>> that with
>>>>>> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get  
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> AP on a
>>>>>> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the
>>>>>> NLOS was so
>>>>>> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz  
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> 2.4ghz
>>>>>> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire
>>>>>> customer
>>>>>> base.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this
>>>>>> firsthand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Chuck Bartosch]

On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> My point here is that Diversity can make a huge difference, "diversity" is 
> the differenciator, but that the benefit of diversity can vary dependant on 
> the Freq used and environment tackling, based on past experience.

Without looking up the math on this, I would speculate that the reason is 
wavelength. At 3.65 we're about 4' apart. To get the same advantage at 900 MHz 
I'd willing to bet you might need to be quite a bit further apart-which isn't 
practical in most cases. I'm not willing to say it scales with wavelength (not 
without looking at the actual equations that is) but wavelength is going to be 
a factor in how effective diversity is at any given distance between two 
antennas. On the other hand, moving the antennas further apart at lower 
frequencies should be able to re-create the advantage.

Chuck


> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chuck Bartosch" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
> 
> 
>> We did not find that WiMax in general was better than 900. The key isn't 
>> WiMax, per se, but diversity antennas. Performance is *helped* by being 
>> 3.65 WiMax but that alone does NOT obviate the need for 900 in our 
>> experience. Diversity is key.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> 
>>> I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple
>>> customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations
>>> and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. "Supposedly"
>>> wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
>>>> purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told
>>>> you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because
>>>> of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.
>>>> 
>>>> If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine
>>>> with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Rubens
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in
>>>>> operation? Was
>>>>> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO
>>>>> that with
>>>>> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the
>>>>> AP on a
>>>>> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the
>>>>> NLOS was so
>>>>> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and
>>>>> 2.4ghz
>>>>> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire
>>>>> customer
>>>>> base.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this
>>>>> firsthand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>>> WAVELINC
>>>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>>> 419-562-6405
>>>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Tom DeReggi]

Yes but. Diversity does not necessarilly yield the same percentage 
improvement in bands like 900Mhz as it does in 2.4, 3,6 and 5.8.

When we field tested Aperto Pre-Wimax in 5.8 a few years back, we learned a 
bit on Polarity diversity. Aperto had a really cool tool that measured both 
pols side by side, and you could watch the Polarity shift in varying amounts 
over time (combined with effects from fade and multipath), by watching the 
RSSI change on each polarty individually and having it graphed. It was 
amazing to see how much it varied between pols and how much it changed over 
time (meaning seconds), a huge amount. It was a sure testimonial for benefit 
of Pol diversity in reflective areas, in low noise areas. (note we chose not 
to use it because in high noise congested areas it was more important to 
have polarity isolation to enable more channel use and avoid noise, and at 
the time we thought AP was to expensive for a 6mhz channel).  WaveRider 
replicated the idea in 900Mhz with their peanut shaped diversity CPE, 
understanding that polarity rotated as obstacles were hit.  But I'm not sure 
that we really noticed that much improvement in our Waverider 900Mhz 
diversity trials. Again, polarity isolation yielded so much more benefit 
than the minor benefit 900 showed with pol diversity.  I do not know whether 
Alvarion 16.d uses pol or spatial diversity or other more complex method. 
But what we learned from Chuck's trials was that what ever it was, it made a 
huge difference in his 3.65 diversity trials.

My point here is that Diversity can make a huge difference, "diversity" is 
the differenciator, but that the benefit of diversity can vary dependant on 
the Freq used and environment tackling, based on past experience.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Bartosch" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?


> We did not find that WiMax in general was better than 900. The key isn't 
> WiMax, per se, but diversity antennas. Performance is *helped* by being 
> 3.65 WiMax but that alone does NOT obviate the need for 900 in our 
> experience. Diversity is key.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>
>> I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple
>> customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations
>> and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. "Supposedly"
>> wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>>
>>> That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
>>> purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told
>>> you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because
>>> of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.
>>>
>>> If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine
>>> with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rubens
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in
>>>> operation? Was
>>>> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO
>>>> that with
>>>> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the
>>>> AP on a
>>>> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the
>>>> NLOS was so
>>>> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and
>>>> 2.4ghz
>>>> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire
>>>> customer
>>>> base.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this
>>>> firsthand.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>> WAVELINC
>>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>> 419-562-6405
>>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> --- 
>>>> --- 
>>>> --- 
>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Chuck Bartosch]

We did not find that WiMax in general was better than 900. The key isn't WiMax, 
per se, but diversity antennas. Performance is *helped* by being 3.65 WiMax but 
that alone does NOT obviate the need for 900 in our experience. Diversity is 
key.

Chuck

On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

> I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple  
> customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations  
> and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. "Supposedly"  
> wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
> 
>> That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
>> purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told
>> you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because
>> of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.
>> 
>> If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine
>> with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.
>> 
>> 
>> Rubens
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
>>  wrote:
>>> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in  
>>> operation? Was
>>> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO  
>>> that with
>>> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the  
>>> AP on a
>>> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the  
>>> NLOS was so
>>> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and  
>>> 2.4ghz
>>> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire  
>>> customer
>>> base.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this  
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Chuck Bartosch]

I have no experience with 802.16e, but have lots with 802.16d.

16d does not support MIMO. However, even without MIMO, we are "ripping out 
900/5.x" and putting in Alvarion .16d. The diversity alone gives it penetration 
characteristics equal to or better than 900. WiMax does cost more, as we all 
know, but it also supports more clients (we're projecting close to 200 per base 
station. I hope we're right... ;-). We can't put it in where 900 is serving 
just a few customers.

Chuck

On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was
> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with
> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a
> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so
> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz
> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer
> base. 
> 
> 
> 
> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand.
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Jeremie Chism]

I guess the other situation that I am not taking into account is that  
because of no interference every other sub I have is modulating at qam  
64 3/4 and packet loss is sitting at 0.004% instead of what the  
alvarion 900 deals with.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:

> There is no protocol design that can achieve that. A TDD system is a
> population of time slots; if a bunch of users (not just a couple) with
> high traffic demand (not low traffic or small bursts) have low
> modulation, it will talke more time slots to serve them. If a fairness
> system based on bandwidth is in place them all of the users will still
> suffer; if a fairness system based on time-slots is in place they
> won't get the service you promised them. There is no free lunch.
>
> I've run a 3.5 GHz WiMAX system with 3.5 MHz channels and the base
> station was always complaining the system was too oversubscribed;
> guess what, it was right, we were trying to serve more than feasible
> CIR/MIR traffic on those BSTs. Having a rule that only QAM16/QAM64
> stations were allowed improved this problem a lot.
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
>  wrote:
>> I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the  
>> customers
>> with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest  
>> with good
>> connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
>>
>> I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple
>> customers with lower modulation because of non line of site  
>> situations
>> and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. "Supposedly"
>> wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion  
>> 900.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>>
>>> That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
>>> purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor  
>>> told
>>> you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because
>>> of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.
>>>
>>> If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine
>>> with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rubens
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in
>>>> operation? Was
>>>> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO
>>>> that with
>>>> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the
>>>> AP on a
>>>> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the
>>>> NLOS was so
>>>> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and
>>>> 2.4ghz
>>>> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire
>>>> customer
>>>> base.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this
>>>> firsthand.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>> WAVELINC
>>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>> 419-562-6405
>>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Jeremie Chism]

All I can say is that the effects of a lower modulated customer on my  
alvarion system seem to have a more profound impact on the system than  
what I have seen so far on 3.65. Granted I've only had the wimax up  
for 8 months and that's the only data I have to go on.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:

> There is no protocol design that can achieve that. A TDD system is a
> population of time slots; if a bunch of users (not just a couple) with
> high traffic demand (not low traffic or small bursts) have low
> modulation, it will talke more time slots to serve them. If a fairness
> system based on bandwidth is in place them all of the users will still
> suffer; if a fairness system based on time-slots is in place they
> won't get the service you promised them. There is no free lunch.
>
> I've run a 3.5 GHz WiMAX system with 3.5 MHz channels and the base
> station was always complaining the system was too oversubscribed;
> guess what, it was right, we were trying to serve more than feasible
> CIR/MIR traffic on those BSTs. Having a rule that only QAM16/QAM64
> stations were allowed improved this problem a lot.
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
>  wrote:
>> I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the  
>> customers
>> with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest  
>> with good
>> connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
>>
>> I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple
>> customers with lower modulation because of non line of site  
>> situations
>> and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. "Supposedly"
>> wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion  
>> 900.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>>
>>> That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
>>> purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor  
>>> told
>>> you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because
>>> of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.
>>>
>>> If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine
>>> with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rubens
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in
>>>> operation? Was
>>>> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO
>>>> that with
>>>> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the
>>>> AP on a
>>>> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the
>>>> NLOS was so
>>>> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and
>>>> 2.4ghz
>>>> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire
>>>> customer
>>>> base.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this
>>>> firsthand.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>> WAVELINC
>>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>> 419-562-6405
>>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Rubens Kuhl]

There is no protocol design that can achieve that. A TDD system is a
population of time slots; if a bunch of users (not just a couple) with
high traffic demand (not low traffic or small bursts) have low
modulation, it will talke more time slots to serve them. If a fairness
system based on bandwidth is in place them all of the users will still
suffer; if a fairness system based on time-slots is in place they
won't get the service you promised them. There is no free lunch.

I've run a 3.5 GHz WiMAX system with 3.5 MHz channels and the base
station was always complaining the system was too oversubscribed;
guess what, it was right, we were trying to serve more than feasible
CIR/MIR traffic on those BSTs. Having a rule that only QAM16/QAM64
stations were allowed improved this problem a lot.


Rubens




On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the customers
> with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest with good
> connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
>
> I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple
> customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations
> and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. "Supposedly"
> wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>
>> That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
>> purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told
>> you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because
>> of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.
>>
>> If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine
>> with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.
>>
>>
>> Rubens
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>>  wrote:
>>> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in
>>> operation? Was
>>> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO
>>> that with
>>> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the
>>> AP on a
>>> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the
>>> NLOS was so
>>> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and
>>> 2.4ghz
>>> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire
>>> customer
>>> base.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this
>>> firsthand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Mike Hammett]

It's probably the same math that lets you put 10,000 15 meg customers on a 
single 3.5 MHz channel.


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From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:55 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

> I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the customers
> with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest with good
> connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
>
> I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple
> customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations
> and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. "Supposedly"
> wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>
>> That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
>> purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told
>> you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because
>> of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.
>>
>> If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine
>> with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.
>>
>>
>> Rubens
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>>  wrote:
>>> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in
>>> operation? Was
>>> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO
>>> that with
>>> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the
>>> AP on a
>>> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the
>>> NLOS was so
>>> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and
>>> 2.4ghz
>>> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire
>>> customer
>>> base.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this
>>> firsthand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the customers
with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest with good
connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this.

Kurt Fankhauser
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P.O. Box 126
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419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple  
customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations  
and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. "Supposedly"  
wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:

> That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
> purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told
> you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because
> of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.
>
> If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine
> with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
>  wrote:
>> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in  
>> operation? Was
>> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO  
>> that with
>> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the  
>> AP on a
>> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the  
>> NLOS was so
>> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and  
>> 2.4ghz
>> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire  
>> customer
>> base.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this  
>> firsthand.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Jeremie Chism]

I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple  
customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations  
and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. "Supposedly"  
wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:

> That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
> purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told
> you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because
> of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.
>
> If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine
> with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
>  wrote:
>> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in  
>> operation? Was
>> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO  
>> that with
>> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the  
>> AP on a
>> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the  
>> NLOS was so
>> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and  
>> 2.4ghz
>> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire  
>> customer
>> base.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this  
>> firsthand.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Rubens Kuhl]

That would only be true if the data services are somewhat
purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told
you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because
of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers.

If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine
with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed.


Rubens


On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was
> talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with
> the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a
> 300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so
> good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz
> and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer
> base.
>
>
>
> Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand.
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
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[WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was
talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with
the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a
300ft tower that it starts to "feel" like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so
good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz
and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer
base. 

 

Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand.

 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

 

 

 




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[WISPA] Alvarion 900 Access Point

[Jeremie Chism]

I am in need of a few used AU-E-BS-900 units for a tower that will  
have very little usage on a police car deployment we have. Any help  
would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Access Control

[Chuck Bartosch]

Thanks Jeremy.

Chuck

On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:14 PM, jp wrote:

> We use this for setting up VL radios, including speed. If you want to 
> automate it, just use $1, 
> $2 as command line variables instead of reading in answers from questions. 
> Then you could 
> include it in a loop that cycles through a database generated list.
> 
> I wish more manufacturers actually knew something about SNMP so we could 
> program all radios 
> this way. Saves a lot of human error.
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> echo -e 
> "|--|"
> echo -e "| pinging radio to check if it is there and is set to factory 
> defaults |"
> echo -e "| hit control-C if pinging fails 
>   |" 
> echo -e 
> "|--|"
> ping -n -c 2 10.0.0.1
> 
> echo -e 
> "|--|"
> echo -e "| what will the radio be named?  
>   |"
> read UNITNAME
> echo -e "| what IP address will this radio have?  
>   |"
> read IP
> echo -e "| This radio will have " $IP
> echo -e "| what ESSID will this radio have?   
>   |"
> read ESSID
> echo -e "| Speed choice: Type 1 for gold (2 down 1 up), 2 for platinum 
> connectme (3 down 1.5 up), 3 platinum (3 down, 2 up)"
> read SPEED
> echo -e "| Enter the antenna gain"
> read ANTENNA
> echo -e 
> "|--|"
> 
> CM="changeme"
> SP="/usr/bin/snmpset -v1 -r2 -On -c"
> SG="/usr/bin/snmpget -v1 -r2 -On -c"
> GW=`echo $IP|cut -d. -f1-3`.1
> 
> echo -e 
> "|--|"
> echo -e "| Setting up MIR/CIR 
>   |"
> echo -e 
> "|--|"
> 
> case $SPEED in
> 1)
>  $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0 i 2000
>  $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0 i 1000
>  ;;
> 2)
>  $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0 i 3000
>  $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0 i 1500
>  ;;
> 3)
>  $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0 i 3000
>  $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0 i 2000
>  ;;
> esac
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.4.0 i 128
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.5.0 i 128
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.6.0 i 1000
> echo -e "Now setup as:"
> echo -e "MirAUtoSU "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0`
> echo -e "MirSUtoAU "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0`
> echo -e "CirAUtoSU "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.4.0`
> echo -e "CirSUtoAU "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.5.0`
> echo -e "MaxDelay  "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.6.0`
> 
> echo -e "CIR/MIR all setup"
> 
> echo -e 
> "|--|"
> echo -e "| Setting wireless menu items
>   |"
> echo -e 
> "|--|"
> 
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.1.1.0 s "$ESSID"
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.11.1.0 i 2
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.13.1.0 i 2
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.17.0 s "$ANTENNA"
> 
> 
> echo -e "ESSID "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.1.1.0`
> echo -e "Best AU   "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 
> ..1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.11.1.0`
> echo -e "ATPC  "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.13.1.0`
> echo -e "AntennaGain   "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.17.0`
> 
> echo -e "Done setting wireless items"
> 
> echo -e 
> "|--|"
> echo -e "| Setting up management items
>   |"
> echo -e 
> "|--|"
> 
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.3.0 s "$UNITNAME"
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.2.0 s "alsochangeme"
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.3.0 s "changeme"
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.1.0 a $IP
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.2.0 a 255.255.255.0
> $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.3.0 a $GW
> 
> echo -e "Name"`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.3.0`
> echo -e "Inst  PW"`$SG private 10.0.0.1 
> .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.2.0`
> echo -e "Admin PW"`$SG private 10.0.0.1 
> .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.3.0`
> echo -e "IP address  "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.1.0`
> echo -e "Netmask "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.2.0`
> echo -e "Gateway "`$S

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Access Control

[jp]

We use this for setting up VL radios, including speed. If you want to automate 
it, just use $1, 
$2 as command line variables instead of reading in answers from questions. Then 
you could 
include it in a loop that cycles through a database generated list.

I wish more manufacturers actually knew something about SNMP so we could 
program all radios 
this way. Saves a lot of human error.

#!/bin/bash
echo -e 
"|--|"
echo -e "| pinging radio to check if it is there and is set to factory defaults 
|"
echo -e "| hit control-C if pinging fails   
|" 
echo -e 
"|--|"
ping -n -c 2 10.0.0.1

echo -e 
"|--|"
echo -e "| what will the radio be named?
|"
read UNITNAME
echo -e "| what IP address will this radio have?
|"
read IP
echo -e "| This radio will have " $IP
echo -e "| what ESSID will this radio have? 
|"
read ESSID
echo -e "| Speed choice: Type 1 for gold (2 down 1 up), 2 for platinum 
connectme (3 down 1.5 up), 3 platinum (3 down, 2 up)"
read SPEED
echo -e "| Enter the antenna gain"
read ANTENNA
echo -e 
"|--|"

CM="changeme"
SP="/usr/bin/snmpset -v1 -r2 -On -c"
SG="/usr/bin/snmpget -v1 -r2 -On -c"
GW=`echo $IP|cut -d. -f1-3`.1

echo -e 
"|--|"
echo -e "| Setting up MIR/CIR   
|"
echo -e 
"|--|"

case $SPEED in
 1)
  $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0 i 2000
  $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0 i 1000
  ;;
 2)
  $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0 i 3000
  $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0 i 1500
  ;;
 3)
  $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0 i 3000
  $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0 i 2000
  ;;
esac
$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.4.0 i 128
$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.5.0 i 128
$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.6.0 i 1000
echo -e "Now setup as:"
echo -e "MirAUtoSU "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0`
echo -e "MirSUtoAU "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0`
echo -e "CirAUtoSU "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.4.0`
echo -e "CirSUtoAU "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.5.0`
echo -e "MaxDelay  "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.6.0`

echo -e "CIR/MIR all setup"

echo -e 
"|--|"
echo -e "| Setting wireless menu items  
|"
echo -e 
"|--|"

$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.1.1.0 s "$ESSID"
$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.11.1.0 i 2
$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.13.1.0 i 2
$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.17.0 s "$ANTENNA"


echo -e "ESSID "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.1.1.0`
echo -e "Best AU   "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.11.1.0`
echo -e "ATPC  "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.13.1.0`
echo -e "AntennaGain   "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.17.0`

echo -e "Done setting wireless items"

echo -e 
"|--|"
echo -e "| Setting up management items  
|"
echo -e 
"|--|"

$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.3.0 s "$UNITNAME"
$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.2.0 s "alsochangeme"
$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.3.0 s "changeme"
$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.1.0 a $IP
$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.2.0 a 255.255.255.0
$SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.3.0 a $GW

echo -e "Name"`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.3.0`
echo -e "Inst  PW"`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.2.0`
echo -e "Admin PW"`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.3.0`
echo -e "IP address  "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.1.0`
echo -e "Netmask "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.2.0`
echo -e "Gateway "`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.3.0`

echo -e "Done setting up manamgent items"

echo -e 
"|--|"
echo -e "| Setting up filter and network management 
|"
echo -e 
"|

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Access Control

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/11/26 Jeremy Parr :
> Before I reinvent the wheel with an Expect script or SNMP query, does
> anyone have scripts written for automating bandwidth/MAC allocations
> for the VL? It does not support RADIUS, so any automated changes need
> to be pushed via telnet or SNMP.

Since there wasn't anything out there, here is what I hacked up...
just set your snmprw community and go.

#!/bin/bash

# Syntax
# alvmac.sh   

# Example
# alvmac.sh add 10.254.9.77 00 16 cf b7 9d f7

# SNMP R/W Community
snmprw=private

intent=$1
alvau=$2
let mac[1]=0x$3
let mac[2]=0x$4
let mac[3]=0x$5
let mac[4]=0x$6
let mac[5]=0x$7
let mac[6]=0x$8

if [ $intent == add ] ; then
action=4
fi

if [ $intent == remove ] ; then
action=6
fi

snmpset -c $snmprw -v 1 $alvau
1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.5.10.6.1.2.${mac[1]}.${mac[2]}.${mac[3]}.${mac[4]}.${mac[5]}.${mac[6]}
i $action



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[WISPA] Alvarion VL Access Control

[Jeremy Parr]

Before I reinvent the wheel with an Expect script or SNMP query, does
anyone have scripts written for automating bandwidth/MAC allocations
for the VL? It does not support RADIUS, so any automated changes need
to be pushed via telnet or SNMP.



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[WISPA] Alvarion used eq 4sale

[Thomas P. Galla]

I have a couple of 

3x alvarion aus-e-sa-5.8-vl  upgraded to 54 meg multi client (I should have 
some more also)

Alvarion 5.8 SU (upgraded to 54 meg) I am not sure of the count because I am 
still taking them down.


If you are interested in these email me @ t...@bluegrass.net with the subject 
alvarion

Or call me cell 502-797-1484




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[WISPA] Alvarion VL-900

[Cameron Kilton]

Does anybody know if the firmware files for the 5.xGhz firmware will
load on the 900 VL line? I'm having quite the time trying to upgrade to
the 5.5.26 firmware on the VL 900 gear. If there is a different file and
you have, please send it along offlist.

Thanks,

-Cameron






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[WISPA] Alvarion 900 VL

[Cameron Kilton]

I've tried to upgrade to the 5.5 firmware available from the Alvarion
website, I cannot seem to get it to load on the VL 900 product line but
it works fine on the 5.x Ghz equipment. Any ideas, is there a special
firmware file I'm missing?


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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

[Randy Cosby]

And I muddied the water with a snide reference to Alvarion's Webinars.


Chuck Bartosch wrote:
> He said he needed 5.3 PtMP.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>   
>> What was the problem?  I don't believe it was ever said.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Joe Miller  
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message 
>>> From: Josh Luthman 
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
>>>
>>> Wait what application are we even trying to solve...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy?  ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>
>>>> From:  "3-dB Networks" 
>>>> Subj:  Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
>>>> Date:  Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am
>>>> Size:  2K
>>>> To:  "'Joe Miller'" ; "'WISPA General  
>>>> List'" <
>>>> wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>
>>>> Canopy :-D
>>>>
>>>> Daniel White
>>>> 3-dB Networks
>>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Joe Miller
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
>>>>>
>>>>> No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio  
>>>>> that will
>>>>> do 5.3 Ghz PTMP?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Original Message 
>>>>> From: Jeremy Parr 
>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/8/26 Joe Miller :
>>>>>   
>>>>>> Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that  
>>>>>> carries
>>>>>> 
>>>>> PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the "EZ" line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty
>>>>> half baked at this time.
>>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

[Chuck Bartosch]

He said he needed 5.3 PtMP.

Chuck

On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> What was the problem?  I don't believe it was ever said.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Joe Miller  
>  wrote:
>
>> I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message 
>> From: Josh Luthman 
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
>>
>> Wait what application are we even trying to solve...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy?  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>>
>>> From:  "3-dB Networks" 
>>> Subj:  Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
>>> Date:  Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am
>>> Size:  2K
>>> To:  "'Joe Miller'" ; "'WISPA General  
>>> List'" <
>>> wireless@wispa.org>
>>>
>>> Canopy :-D
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Joe Miller
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
>>>>
>>>> No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio  
>>>> that will
>>>> do 5.3 Ghz PTMP?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message 
>>>> From: Jeremy Parr 
>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
>>>>
>>>> 2009/8/26 Joe Miller :
>>>>> Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that  
>>>>> carries
>>>> PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the "EZ" line.
>>>>
>>>> Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty
>>>> half baked at this time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

[Josh Luthman]

What was the problem?  I don't believe it was ever said.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Joe Miller  wrote:

> I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Josh Luthman 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
>
> Wait what application are we even trying to solve...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM,  wrote:
>
> > Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy?  ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > From:  "3-dB Networks" 
> > Subj:  Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
> > Date:  Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am
> > Size:  2K
> > To:  "'Joe Miller'" ; "'WISPA General List'" <
> > wireless@wispa.org>
> >
> > Canopy :-D
> >
> > Daniel White
> > 3-dB Networks
> > http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > >Behalf Of Joe Miller
> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM
> > >To: WISPA General List
> > >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
> > >
> > >No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will
> > >do 5.3 Ghz PTMP?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >- Original Message 
> > >From: Jeremy Parr 
> > >To: WISPA General List 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
> > >
> > >2009/8/26 Joe Miller :
> > >> Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries
> > >PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the "EZ" line.
> > >
> > >Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty
> > >half baked at this time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

[Joe Miller]

I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP



- Original Message 
From: Josh Luthman 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

Wait what application are we even trying to solve...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM,  wrote:

> Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy?  ;)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From:  "3-dB Networks" 
> Subj:  Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
> Date:  Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am
> Size:  2K
> To:  "'Joe Miller'" ; "'WISPA General List'" <
> wireless@wispa.org>
>
> Canopy :-D
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of Joe Miller
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
> >
> >No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will
> >do 5.3 Ghz PTMP?
> >
> >
> >
> >- Original Message 
> >From: Jeremy Parr 
> >To: WISPA General List 
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
> >
> >2009/8/26 Joe Miller :
> >> Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries
> >PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the "EZ" line.
> >
> >Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty
> >half baked at this time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

[Josh Luthman]

Wait what application are we even trying to solve...

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

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improbable, must be the truth."
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM,  wrote:

> Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy?  ;)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From:  "3-dB Networks" 
> Subj:  Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
> Date:  Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am
> Size:  2K
> To:  "'Joe Miller'" ; "'WISPA General List'" <
> wireless@wispa.org>
>
> Canopy :-D
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of Joe Miller
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
> >
> >No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will
> >do 5.3 Ghz PTMP?
> >
> >
> >
> >- Original Message 
> >From: Jeremy Parr 
> >To: WISPA General List 
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
> >
> >2009/8/26 Joe Miller :
> >> Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries
> >PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the "EZ" line.
> >
> >Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty
> >half baked at this time.
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

[dcosby]

Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy?  ;)



-Original Message-

From:  "3-dB Networks" 
Subj:  Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
Date:  Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am
Size:  2K
To:  "'Joe Miller'" ; "'WISPA General List'" 
   

Canopy :-D

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>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Joe Miller
>Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
>
>No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will
>do 5.3 Ghz PTMP?
>
>
>
>- Original Message 
>From: Jeremy Parr 
>To: WISPA General List 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
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>2009/8/26 Joe Miller :
>> Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries
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>
>Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

[Kevin Suitor]

Redline AN-80i

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:42 AM
To: 'Joe Miller'; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

Canopy :-D

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>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Joe Miller
>Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM
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>No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will
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>- Original Message 
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>Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM
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>> Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

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Canopy :-D

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>No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will
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>2009/8/26 Joe Miller :
>> Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

[Chuck Bartosch]

We use Wireless Connections, Inc. and have been extremely satisfied.  
If they *don't* carry a product, it'd be for a good reason. I've never  
asked them about the EZ line though-we're quite satisfied with  
Alvarion's VL line. The VL does do 5.3, 5.4, and 5.8 (with the proper  
radio for each band, of course). Mike Cowan is the CEO and will  
respond to an enquiry:

Mike Cowan
ACC/Wireless Connections, Inc.
work(419) 660-6100
workmi...@wirelessconnections.net
home page   www.wirelessconnections.net
166 Milan Ave
Norwalk OH 44857

WCI also runs an Alvarion support list at:

alvarion-supp...@wirelessconnections.net

which you can sign up for at:

http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php/Support-Lists-Signup.html

Chuck

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

[Cameron Kilton]

The EZ line is interesting. 

I former Alvarion engineer explained it to me this way, "If you are
thinking cars. The EZ line is like a "Corolla" and the VL line is like a
"Lexus".

I thought that was funny.

The Alvarion VL line is a great product line and we've been using is
well for many years now, however, you would get better recommendations
for products if you tell us what you are looking to achieve.

We use Winncom and have had good results with them, Wireless Connections
was also pleasant to work with but didn't plan on carrying the EZ line
when I was in contact with them last (several months ago).

-Cameron

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No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will
do 5.3 Ghz PTMP?



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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

2009/8/26 Joe Miller :
> Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries
PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the "EZ" line.

Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

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No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 
Ghz PTMP?



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2009/8/26 Joe Miller :
> Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP 
> radios? Mainly looking for the "EZ" line.

Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

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2009/8/26 Joe Miller :
> Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP 
> radios? Mainly looking for the "EZ" line.

Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty
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[WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

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Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP 
radios? Mainly looking for the "EZ" line.


  



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[WISPA] Alvarion AU-RE-900

[Cameron Kilton]

Looking to land a couple Alvarion BreezeAccess II AU-RE 900 unit
(outdoor units) if you have them contact me offlist with what you have
and price.

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VA/BA IDU to ODU Voltage

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/15 jp :
> It's something like 54vdc. The transtector lighting arrestor they OEM is
> expensive, but worthwhile for the AUs or ptp links. Transtector will replace
> any damaged arrestors under warranty too. We usually get the ALPU ALVR from
> tessco. http://www.transtector.com/productdetail.aspx?item=1101-640
>
> Lightning arrestors for 48v will not work. The Alvarion wiring scheme is a bit
> different than POE, so make sure the right pins are rated for the right
> voltages.
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> Do keep the list posted if you find something that works well. We'd love to
> put lightning arrestors in more places if they were smaller and less
> expensive.

Not sure of the price point, probably only slightly cheaper, and its
an indoor unit.
http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=NX4-60

There is also the IX outdoor rated model, but I don't see if being
cheaper than the Transtector one.
http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=IX-2H2DC56

Tessco also has these guys for $50
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VA/BA IDU to ODU Voltage

[jp]

It's something like 54vdc. The transtector lighting arrestor they OEM is 
expensive, but worthwhile for the AUs or ptp links. Transtector will replace 
any damaged arrestors under warranty too. We usually get the ALPU ALVR from 
tessco. http://www.transtector.com/productdetail.aspx?item=1101-640

Lightning arrestors for 48v will not work. The Alvarion wiring scheme is a bit 
different than POE, so make sure the right pins are rated for the right 
voltages. 

Do keep the list posted if you find something that works well. We'd love to 
put lightning arrestors in more places if they were smaller and less 
expensive.


On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 08:18:10PM -0400, Jeremy Parr wrote:
> Anyone know the voltage for the IF cable on the VL/BA stuff?
> Apparently they OEM a Polyphaser lightning protector for their stuff,
> but they want a lot more dollars than they should for it. I'm looking
> to substitute something like the Polyphase NX or IX, but need to match
> the IF voltage.
> 
> http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=NX4-60
> http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=IX-50DC48
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[WISPA] Alvarion AU-RE-900

[Cameron Kilton]

If anybody has any AU-RE-900 outdoor units or even complete AU kits, I
had a couple get taken out by lighting, looking for 2 units. Contact me
off list if you have them and how much. 

Thanks a bunch.

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[WISPA] Alvarion VA/BA IDU to ODU Voltage

[Jeremy Parr]

Anyone know the voltage for the IF cable on the VL/BA stuff?
Apparently they OEM a Polyphaser lightning protector for their stuff,
but they want a lot more dollars than they should for it. I'm looking
to substitute something like the Polyphase NX or IX, but need to match
the IF voltage.

http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=NX4-60
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access 2 900 SU's

[Adam Greene]

Yep, we may have about 10 as well. Cameron, if you still have need, contact 
me offlist: agre...@webjogger.net

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> Don't know about 10 but I do have some that I would like to get ride of. 
> Might have 10. Some should be new (taken out of box) and some been used 
> but pulled working out of service.
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> /Eje
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access 2 900 SU's

[eje]

Don't know about 10 but I do have some that I would like to get ride of. Might 
have 10. Some should be new (taken out of box) and some been used but pulled 
working out of service. 

/Eje
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If anybody has 10 or so of these available or sitting around for sale,
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If anybody has 10 or so of these available or sitting around for sale,
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support

[Matt Jenkins]

What was the other radio?

Eric Albert wrote:
> Hey Cameron,
>
> The new firmware for the VL900 platform indeed provides better performance. 
> The new filters are hardware based but controlled in software. 
>
> One of the new features is the ACCS and NFS controls (Automatic Clear Channel 
> Selection and Noise Floor Selection). The way this will work is the Spectrum 
> Analyzer Mode will determine the noise characteristics per channel and then 
> can make an automatic selection of noise floor and clean channel. There will 
> still be manual adjustment of optimization rules for skilled users available 
> in the interface. 
>
> If you didn't catch the webinar last week, one of the tests we ran was a 
> head-to-head comparison against another 900 MHz radio. We tested six 
> locations that were all NLOS. We outperformed the other radio in five of the 
> six locations and could connect in every location whereas the other guy only 
> registered a connection in three of those sites. (50%)
>
> You all will be the first to know when the firmware is GA. We are taking 
> orders for hardware through partners and distribution channels. 
>
>
> Eric Albert
> |
> Application Engineer
> Alvarion Inc.
> |
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:54 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support
>
> We were advised that the 5.5 firmware provides better performance for
> the VL 900 in high noise areas with the use of software filters, etc. I
> would really like to start testing it soon. 
>
> -C
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of John Rock
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:33 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support
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> What versions are you running now? What do you need the new firmware
> for?
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> John Rock
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> 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 
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> I just got of the phone with Alvarion Technical Support. 
>
> I was asking to get a copy of the 5.5 firmware for VL. They said I had
> to wait for it to be available on the website. I thought they were
> joking at first but I guess not, they said it would probably be
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Hey Cameron,

The new firmware for the VL900 platform indeed provides better performance. The 
new filters are hardware based but controlled in software. 

One of the new features is the ACCS and NFS controls (Automatic Clear Channel 
Selection and Noise Floor Selection). The way this will work is the Spectrum 
Analyzer Mode will determine the noise characteristics per channel and then can 
make an automatic selection of noise floor and clean channel. There will still 
be manual adjustment of optimization rules for skilled users available in the 
interface. 

If you didn't catch the webinar last week, one of the tests we ran was a 
head-to-head comparison against another 900 MHz radio. We tested six locations 
that were all NLOS. We outperformed the other radio in five of the six 
locations and could connect in every location whereas the other guy only 
registered a connection in three of those sites. (50%)

You all will be the first to know when the firmware is GA. We are taking orders 
for hardware through partners and distribution channels. 


Eric Albert
|
Application Engineer
Alvarion Inc.
|

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Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support

We were advised that the 5.5 firmware provides better performance for
the VL 900 in high noise areas with the use of software filters, etc. I
would really like to start testing it soon. 

-C

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Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support

What versions are you running now? What do you need the new firmware
for?

John Rock
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I just got of the phone with Alvarion Technical Support. 

I was asking to get a copy of the 5.5 firmware for VL. They said I had
to wait for it to be available on the website. I thought they were
joking at first but I guess not, they said it would probably be
available Monday.

If you have a copy please send it along.

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support

[Cameron Kilton]

We were advised that the 5.5 firmware provides better performance for
the VL 900 in high noise areas with the use of software filters, etc. I
would really like to start testing it soon. 

-C

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support

What versions are you running now? What do you need the new firmware
for?

John Rock
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Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:56 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support

I just got of the phone with Alvarion Technical Support. 

I was asking to get a copy of the 5.5 firmware for VL. They said I had
to wait for it to be available on the website. I thought they were
joking at first but I guess not, they said it would probably be
available Monday.

If you have a copy please send it along.

-Cameron






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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support

[Eric Albert]

Stay tuned guys. Version 5.5 is not GA just yet. I'll let you all know
when it is available. 

Eric Albert
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Alvarion Inc.


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:56 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support

I just got of the phone with Alvarion Technical Support. 

I was asking to get a copy of the 5.5 firmware for VL. They said I had
to wait for it to be available on the website. I thought they were
joking at first but I guess not, they said it would probably be
available Monday.

If you have a copy please send it along.

-Cameron





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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support

[John Rock]

What versions are you running now? What do you need the new firmware for?

John Rock
Director of Operations - Senior Engineer
Wireless Connections
166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 
ACCessing the Future Today!!
ofc. 419.660.6100
cell 419-706-7356
fax  419-668-4077
http://www.wirelessconnections.net
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:56 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support

I just got of the phone with Alvarion Technical Support. 

I was asking to get a copy of the 5.5 firmware for VL. They said I had
to wait for it to be available on the website. I thought they were
joking at first but I guess not, they said it would probably be
available Monday.

If you have a copy please send it along.

-Cameron





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[WISPA] Alvarion Tech support

[Cameron Kilton]

I just got of the phone with Alvarion Technical Support. 

I was asking to get a copy of the 5.5 firmware for VL. They said I had
to wait for it to be available on the website. I thought they were
joking at first but I guess not, they said it would probably be
available Monday.

If you have a copy please send it along.

-Cameron




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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Firmware

[Adam Kennedy]

I'd be interested in that as well.


On 5/21/09 5:13 PM, "Cameron Kilton"  wrote:

> Anybody got a copy of the new VL firmware 5.5 from Alvarion, it's
> supposed to do wonders for the 900 band and has a filter built into it
> now. :)
> 
> Thank You,
> Cameron Kilton
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[WISPA] Alvarion VL Firmware

[Cameron Kilton]

Anybody got a copy of the new VL firmware 5.5 from Alvarion, it's
supposed to do wonders for the 900 band and has a filter built into it
now. :)

Thank You,
Cameron Kilton




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[WISPA] Alvarion Breezeaccess 900

[RickG]

Anyone interested in a bunch of Alvarion BreezeAccess 900 units? Contact me
off list. -RickG



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