Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Always! I go get a GPS reading and take a look at the location before I try to plot it out Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've used Topo USA quite a bit. But in the end, going to the site is the best way. We've made links work that I'd have sworn didn't stand a chance. And others that should be a slam dunk work like crap. Feet on the ground. marlon - Original Message - From: "Robert West" robert.w...@just-micro.com To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] Link Planning Software What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. "Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore." WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I've used Topo USA quite a bit. But in the end, going to the site is the best way. We've made links work that I'd have sworn didn't stand a chance. And others that should be a slam dunk work like crap. Feet on the ground. marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] Link Planning Software What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Actually for most of that Jerry helped me. I certainly agree that RM is very powerful but it's a POS from a usability standpoint. If it were cleaned up and made easier to use I'd have dropped the better part of $500 on it. Software that'll do what it does that's as easy to figure out as TopoUSA or any linksys router would be a no brainer here. Brian helps me with Census tract stuff mostly. marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Marlon used Brian Webster. Chuck On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what you are looking for. Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few months ago. I don't remember who. I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list. Robert West wrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
On Sep 28, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Actually for most of that Jerry helped me. Yep, Jerry corrected that comment already. Chuck I certainly agree that RM is very powerful but it's a POS from a usability standpoint. If it were cleaned up and made easier to use I'd have dropped the better part of $500 on it. Software that'll do what it does that's as easy to figure out as TopoUSA or any linksys router would be a no brainer here. Brian helps me with Census tract stuff mostly. marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Marlon used Brian Webster. Chuck On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what you are looking for. Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few months ago. I don't remember who. I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list. Robert West wrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
... and a flashing light hooked to a Digital Loggers switch on the tower for sunset site surveys. :-) a light: http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200365214_200365214 a 24 volt power supply: http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/se-450-24.shtml a Digital Loggers IP switch: http://digitalloggers.com/lpc.html spare CAT5 on the tower, 2 pairs positive, 2 pairs negative 200' CAT5 we use has about 12V drop so the light gets 12V At 02:10 PM 9/27/2009, Marlon wrote: Feet on the ground. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Come on Biran, that is way too easy. Would would think to do that? Is there anything Roger hasn't put in that program? Brian Webster wrote: When you map is displayed the way you want it to look, do a control c then control v and save the new image created as whatever you want to call it, that will make the units stay within the image. Copy and paste as new map from the menu also works. Thank You, Brian Webster David E. Smith wrote: Since we're sorta turning this into a general Radio Mobile questions thread... Anyone know how to tell Radio Mobile, when you save a map, to save units as drawn on the map, as part of the picture? When you look at a map on-screen, you can have it overlay units on the map. When you save the map, though, it doesn't save those units as part of the picture. If you're making a small map, you can easily work around that by just taking a screenshot (and then cropping out the GUI stuff), but if your map is bigger than the screen, you either have to go without or take several screenshots and later stitch them together. Since Radio Mobile is pretty awesome at so many other things, I'm assuming there's an option for this and I'm just not sure what it's called. Thanks! David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2396 - Release Date: 09/26/09 05:51:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I'll shoot him an email. Thanks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Why not contract with Brian Webster for a couple of hours. He's a true expert with the software and it won't take much for him to help you through the rough patches...and probably show you tricks you'd never figure out on your own. His contact info is: Brian Webster (607) 286-3465 work (607) 435-3988 cell bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Chuck On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Robert West wrote: You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Okay, but where am I getting the rmpatheng.exe rmweng.exe and rmweng.hlp files? The archive only has the various language update files. I copied the English updater file though and ran that one. Thanks! I'll try it. Took me a whole 3 hours from start to get to this point with all the interruptions. That's my biggest issue! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Crash course: First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html Once installed (leave program closed) download http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite): - rmpatheng.exe - rmUpdateeng.exe - rmweng.exe - rmweng.hlp Run rmUpdateeng.exe This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc installed. Open RM (rmweng.exe) Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a local copy - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X - Close this window Now you are ready to start using RM Go to File -- New Networks - New Net initialization - Use default values - OK Go to File -- Map Properties - Elevation data source SRTM - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) - Set size to 50km high - Click Extract Go to Edit -- Merge - Choose Internet MapPoint - Draw you should end up with a map that has terrain data. now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the way. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Crash course: First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html Once installed (leave program closed) download http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite): - rmpatheng.exe - rmUpdateeng.exe - rmweng.exe - rmweng.hlp Run rmUpdateeng.exe This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc installed. Open RM (rmweng.exe) Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a local copy - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X - Close this window Now you are ready to start using RM Go to File -- New Networks - New Net initialization - Use default values - OK Go to File -- Map Properties - Elevation data source SRTM - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) - Set size to 50km high - Click Extract Go to Edit -- Merge - Choose Internet MapPoint - Draw you should end up with a map that has terrain data. now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM1/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the way. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Crash course: First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html Once installed (leave program closed) download http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite): - rmpatheng.exe - rmUpdateeng.exe - rmweng.exe - rmweng.hlp Run rmUpdateeng.exe This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc installed. Open RM (rmweng.exe) Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a local copy - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X - Close this window Now you are ready to start using RM Go to File -- New Networks - New Net initialization - Use default values - OK Go to File -- Map Properties - Elevation data source SRTM - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) - Set size to 50km high - Click Extract Go to Edit -- Merge - Choose Internet MapPoint - Draw you should end up with a map that has terrain data. now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I Googled for SRTM, went to the first link and followed the instructions on how to download, which has the region map. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the way. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Crash course: First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html Once installed (leave program closed) download http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite): - rmpatheng.exe - rmUpdateeng.exe - rmweng.exe - rmweng.hlp Run rmUpdateeng.exe This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc installed. Open RM (rmweng.exe) Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a local copy - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X - Close this window Now you are ready to start using RM Go to File -- New Networks - New Net initialization - Use default values - OK Go to File -- Map Properties - Elevation data source SRTM - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) - Set size to 50km high - Click Extract Go to Edit -- Merge - Choose Internet MapPoint - Draw you should end up with a map that has terrain data. now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:07 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the way. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Crash course: First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html Once installed (leave program closed) download http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite): - rmpatheng.exe - rmUpdateeng.exe - rmweng.exe - rmweng.hlp Run rmUpdateeng.exe This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc installed. Open RM (rmweng.exe) Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a local copy - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X - Close this window Now you are ready to start using RM Go to File -- New Networks - New Net initialization - Use default values - OK Go to File -- Map Properties - Elevation data source SRTM - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) - Set size to 50km high - Click Extract Go to Edit -- Merge - Choose Internet MapPoint - Draw you should end up with a map that has terrain data. now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Since we're sorta turning this into a general Radio Mobile questions thread... Anyone know how to tell Radio Mobile, when you save a map, to save units as drawn on the map, as part of the picture? When you look at a map on-screen, you can have it overlay units on the map. When you save the map, though, it doesn't save those units as part of the picture. If you're making a small map, you can easily work around that by just taking a screenshot (and then cropping out the GUI stuff), but if your map is bigger than the screen, you either have to go without or take several screenshots and later stitch them together. Since Radio Mobile is pretty awesome at so many other things, I'm assuming there's an option for this and I'm just not sure what it's called. Thanks! David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Thanks Mike. They make it so easy, these government operations. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM1/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the way. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Crash course: First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html Once installed (leave program closed) download http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite): - rmpatheng.exe - rmUpdateeng.exe - rmweng.exe - rmweng.hlp Run rmUpdateeng.exe This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc installed. Open RM (rmweng.exe) Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a local copy - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X - Close this window Now you are ready to start using RM Go to File -- New Networks - New Net initialization - Use default values - OK Go to File -- Map Properties - Elevation data source SRTM - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) - Set size to 50km high - Click Extract Go to Edit -- Merge - Choose Internet MapPoint - Draw you should end up with a map that has terrain data. now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Smart ass. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software I Googled for SRTM, went to the first link and followed the instructions on how to download, which has the region map. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the way. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Crash course: First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html Once installed (leave program closed) download http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite): - rmpatheng.exe - rmUpdateeng.exe - rmweng.exe - rmweng.hlp Run rmUpdateeng.exe This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc installed. Open RM (rmweng.exe) Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a local copy - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X - Close this window Now you are ready to start using RM Go to File -- New Networks - New Net initialization - Use default values - OK Go to File -- Map Properties - Elevation data source SRTM - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) - Set size to 50km high - Click Extract Go to Edit -- Merge - Choose Internet MapPoint - Draw you should end up with a map that has terrain data. now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
On clarification, when you save a map, RM does not save the picture. Saving a picture is a separate function. If you save the picture as a JPG, it also creates a KML file. While the picture does not have the units which you can open the kml in Google Earth. If you have the units there as well, you will get what you are looking for. You may want to join the RM Yahoo group and ask there. I know there was some discussion about this earlier, but I do not remember all that was said. David E. Smith wrote: Since we're sorta turning this into a general Radio Mobile questions thread... Anyone know how to tell Radio Mobile, when you save a map, to save units as drawn on the map, as part of the picture? When you look at a map on-screen, you can have it overlay units on the map. When you save the map, though, it doesn't save those units as part of the picture. If you're making a small map, you can easily work around that by just taking a screenshot (and then cropping out the GUI stuff), but if your map is bigger than the screen, you either have to go without or take several screenshots and later stitch them together. Since Radio Mobile is pretty awesome at so many other things, I'm assuming there's an option for this and I'm just not sure what it's called. Thanks! David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date: 09/25/09 05:51:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Corn and soybeans. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:32 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software That's a lot of green...where is this? On 9/24/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Large green patches wouldn't work here. From May - September, everything in 300 miles is green. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I actually asked where - not what - but I was under the impression you meant trees =P Delorm was pretty good - costly but you can keep the maps locally IIRC. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Corn and soybeans. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:32 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software That's a lot of green...where is this? On 9/24/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Large green patches wouldn't work here. From May - September, everything in 300 miles is green. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I use National Geographic's Topo! software. It works quite well. Just toss the contents of the CD-ROM into the same folder as the software and you don't need the CD-ROM at all. ryan On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4 Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile. Add the antenna heights and you should have a real good idea if it will work or not. I played with Radio Mobile for a long time. It works, but Delorm is faster and eaiser for PtP links. Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Why not contract with Brian Webster for a couple of hours. He's a true expert with the software and it won't take much for him to help you through the rough patches...and probably show you tricks you'd never figure out on your own. His contact info is: Brian Webster (607) 286-3465 work (607) 435-3988 cell bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Chuck On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Robert West wrote: You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Marlon used Brian Webster. Chuck On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what you are looking for. Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few months ago. I don't remember who. I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list. Robert West wrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Actually, that was me. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Marlon used Brian Webster. Chuck On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what you are looking for. Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few months ago. I don't remember who. I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list. Robert West wrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Ah, my apologies! I guess I should have checked that then blush. Chuck On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Actually, that was me. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Marlon used Brian Webster. Chuck On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what you are looking for. Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few months ago. I don't remember who. I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list. Robert West wrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
No worries :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Ah, my apologies! I guess I should have checked that then blush. Chuck On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Actually, that was me. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Marlon used Brian Webster. Chuck On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what you are looking for. Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few months ago. I don't remember who. I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list. Robert West wrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I've done the same for years. The only thing I use RM for is the backhaul links. -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4 Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile. Add the antenna heights and you should have a real good idea if it will work or not. I played with Radio Mobile for a long time. It works, but Delorm is faster and eaiser for PtP links. Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I've seen that too. It looked the same as Delorme. On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: I use National Geographic's Topo! software. It works quite well. Just toss the contents of the CD-ROM into the same folder as the software and you don't need the CD-ROM at all. ryan On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4 Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile. Add the antenna heights and you should have a real good idea if it will work or not. I played with Radio Mobile for a long time. It works, but Delorm is faster and eaiser for PtP links. Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
For a quick down and dirty is it worth looking into Ligo's new online tool is pretty slick. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software I've done the same for years. The only thing I use RM for is the backhaul links. -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4 Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile. Add the antenna heights and you should have a real good idea if it will work or not. I played with Radio Mobile for a long time. It works, but Delorm is faster and eaiser for PtP links. Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Truth be told, Brian would be a better choice if he has the time. He's spend far more time with it that I have. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software No worries :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Ah, my apologies! I guess I should have checked that then blush. Chuck On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Actually, that was me. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Marlon used Brian Webster. Chuck On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what you are looking for. Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few months ago. I don't remember who. I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list. Robert West wrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
game show player I'll take time consuming projects for $500 Alex well know game show host Daily Double!! On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Charles Wu imceaex-_o=cti_ou=exchange+20administrative+20group+20+28fydibohf23spdlt+29_cn=recipients_cn=char...@converge-tech.com wrote: Incorporate all the formulas on this paper for us =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Link Planning Software
What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Agreed, Radio Mobile has a slight learning curve, but nothing really unusual. I'd also take a look into Cameron Crum's www.wispmon.com application. Among many, many features he has a really nice profiler built-in now. I've been a Radio Mobile user for years, but have grown to really like the profiler Cameron has integrated into his Wispmon program. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Radio Mobile is what I typically use, but I can't help but share this: LigoWave Link Calculator http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Pretty slick, but way, way too small of a window for my dual 30 monitors! It's like trying to read a full size fold out map in your lap through a paper towel roll! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Radio Mobile is what I typically use, but I can't help but share this: LigoWave Link Calculator http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Hi Shaddi, You know what would be cool. Is a few things * Use the features of Radio Mobile as a basis for radio-propogation o SRTM3 Terrain Mapping o Flexible Radio Network Topology (VoiceNet, Master/Slave, etc,.) o Point to point link analysis o Visual Coverage o Might be pie in the sky, but at least a good direction feature wise, implementation is up to you. * ANND... Add some wiki style features like a database of Radios, Antennas o Radios + Spectrum + Power + Sensitivity + etc,. o Antennas + Gain + Panel Type + Images? + Antenna Spread (Polar map) But I think the easiest thing for you would be to start with the SRTM3 dataset, see if you can render that into a browser so people could do basic LOS functionality. The added plus for us (US being an NGO doing field installations) would adding extra data points to the terrain data to get a more accurate reading. (Some areas only get 90m resolution 'i think' and the USA gets 30m resolution.) So if we could load GPS trails that would show us the difference between SRTM and the GPS readings we could do better simulations. Thats my 2c in the pot. -Israel Shaddi Hasan wrote: Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Fine on my 15.4 and 20. Maybe you shouldn't jump the gun with those 30 ones! Try this guide for your PTP link: http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/point-to-point-link.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Pretty slick, but way, way too small of a window for my dual 30 monitors! It's like trying to read a full size fold out map in your lap through a paper towel roll! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Radio Mobile is what I typically use, but I can't help but share this: LigoWave Link Calculator http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I use radio mobile it takes a bit of time to work out but it is good. Richard 2009/9/23 Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com: It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Actually... If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull down the SRTM3 files. What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa Direct. And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory as described in the map properties window) And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact) This is what I have setup for my 'internet options' Im running version 9.8.1 Robert West wrote: Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Doh. Forgot cant use HTML email and pasted images. I will see if I cant make a PDF guide or so on how to get terrain data. -Israel Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Actually... If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull down the SRTM3 files. What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa Direct. And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory as described in the map properties window) And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact) This is what I have setup for my 'internet options' Im running version 9.8.1 Robert West wrote: Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
That same Pizon site has you update GTOPO30 data. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote: Actually... If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull down the SRTM3 files. What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa Direct. And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory as described in the map properties window) And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact) This is what I have setup for my 'internet options' Im running version 9.8.1 Robert West wrote: Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Thanks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Doh. Forgot cant use HTML email and pasted images. I will see if I cant make a PDF guide or so on how to get terrain data. -Israel Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Actually... If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull down the SRTM3 files. What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa Direct. And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory as described in the map properties window) And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact) This is what I have setup for my 'internet options' Im running version 9.8.1 Robert West wrote: Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Crash course: First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html Once installed (leave program closed) download http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite): - rmpatheng.exe - rmUpdateeng.exe - rmweng.exe - rmweng.hlp Run rmUpdateeng.exe This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc installed. Open RM (rmweng.exe) Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a local copy - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X - Close this window Now you are ready to start using RM Go to File -- New Networks - New Net initialization - Use default values - OK Go to File -- Map Properties - Elevation data source SRTM - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) - Set size to 50km high - Click Extract Go to Edit -- Merge - Choose Internet MapPoint - Draw you should end up with a map that has terrain data. now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what you are looking for. Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few months ago. I don't remember who. I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list. Robert West wrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2390 - Release Date: 09/23/09 05:52:00 -- Scott
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Actually I just found this: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/14302 Seems to sum up what I was trying to say =D -Israel Robert West wrote: Thanks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Doh. Forgot cant use HTML email and pasted images. I will see if I cant make a PDF guide or so on how to get terrain data. -Israel Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Actually... If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull down the SRTM3 files. What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa Direct. And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory as described in the map properties window) And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact) This is what I have setup for my 'internet options' Im running version 9.8.1 Robert West wrote: Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Robert, There are several tutorials online. Try http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html -RickG On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Large green patches wouldn't work here. From May - September, everything in 300 miles is green. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
That's a lot of green...where is this? On 9/24/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Large green patches wouldn't work here. From May - September, everything in 300 miles is green. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4 Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile. Add the antenna heights and you should have a real good idea if it will work or not. I played with Radio Mobile for a long time. It works, but Delorm is faster and eaiser for PtP links. Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
