Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Mike Hammett

http://apgrainsystems.com/


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- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions


Even more OT-
For those of us down here in Peanut country... What the holy heck is a
"grain leg"?

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Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions


Go to www.raleybros.com  (about 10 miles from my home) when the home page
comes up just keep refreshing your browser to change the pics displayed. All
of the elevators are already running over, the temporary ground storage bins
are full and now all the elevators around here are just dumping it on the
ground in huge piles. All the river port facilities are backed up for miles
with grain trucks trying to haul it out of here and the railroad facilities
can't get enough grain cars in to haul it all out of here.

Corn flakes ought to be .20 cents a box!

Mac



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RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Ralph
Even more OT-
For those of us down here in Peanut country... What the holy heck is a
"grain leg"?

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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions


Go to www.raleybros.com  (about 10 miles from my home) when the home page
comes up just keep refreshing your browser to change the pics displayed. All
of the elevators are already running over, the temporary ground storage bins
are full and now all the elevators around here are just dumping it on the
ground in huge piles. All the river port facilities are backed up for miles
with grain trucks trying to haul it out of here and the railroad facilities
can't get enough grain cars in to haul it all out of here.

Corn flakes ought to be .20 cents a box!

Mac



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Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Mike Ireton



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Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions




Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power
output
voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with
the
ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power
instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts
convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the
elevator
and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our
network.




Since you already have ups's in place, your problem sounds like simply 
that you didn't choose to use a model with battery packs. APC has models 
such as the 1400XL (or, for better effeciency, the 700XL if you won't be 
pulling lots and lots of juice) which will accept a daisy-chain of 
external battery packs, increasing the runtime considerably per each 
that you connect (up to some technical limit, but for your application I 
would think a full 24hrs and beyond would be within easy grasp, 
espically considering the reletively low power consumption of the gear 
you want to power).


Better still, APC has cheap remote snmp mgmt cards for their units so 
you can a) know when the power is out, b) how long you have, and c) what 
the charge of the batteries are, so you can stay on top of it in case 
the outages go beyond what you had planned for.




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Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread John Valenti

Mac,
I pulled some notes from a thread on the StarOS forums, you might  
want to go read the whole thing if this sounds interesting:


===
(gleaned from "Solar Power" thread on StarOS forum started 6/18/2006  
by Ick)

Should power at least 8 WAR2.

Iota DLS-15 12v 15A battery charger (larger available)   $116
http://store.solar-electric.com/ioen12vo15am.html

optional Iota IQ4 plugin smart charger $29 (not so important since  
there will be a continuous load on the battery)


PowerStream 12v to 24v converter PST-DU700-24 $140 retail price
http://www.powerstream.com/
==
I was just thinking about powering a few radios, still trying to  
decide between a 24V battery or 12V plus the extra converter.

The Iota plugs into AC and keeps the battery charged.

Oh, could you post some pictures of your tower on top of the grain  
elevator sometime?  Especially the base of the tower, just curious on  
the specifics. (do the guys go all the way to the ground?)

-John

PS - I thought we grew a lot of corn in Michigan, but I see that Iowa  
does 8X as much. I think we have 15 ethanol plants built or in the  
permit process, I hear those will consume the entire state's corn crop.


On August 15, at 10:50 AM August 15, Mac Dearman wrote:



 I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain  
elevator. This
elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on  
and off
as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out  
of the
fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the  
ranks for
longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer  
run times

when the breakers are flipped off.

Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC  
power output
voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries  
with the

ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC  
power
instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall  
warts
convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the  
elevator
and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of  
our

network.

Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!



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Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Mike Hammett

haha, Iowa does produce the most, but just barely ahead of Illinois.


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And I thought *ALL* the corn came from Iowa.

:)

George

Mike Hammett wrote:
Wow, you learn something every day.  What I've learned today is that down 
south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn belt. 
;-)


What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a 
power source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.) 
charge an array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should 
use 48 vDC for the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies 
that use 48 vDC as the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an 
Orthogon Gemini on my primary tower.  I can source 48 vDC power supplies 
for both.



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- Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions




I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. 
This
elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and 
off
as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of 
the

fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for
longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run 
times

when the breakers are flipped off.

Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power 
output
voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with 
the

ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power
instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts
convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the 
elevator

and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our
network.

Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!

Thanks folks,
Mac




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RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread chris cooper
When they run

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Tranzeo's can run at 24volts

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Mac Dearman wrote:
> Most of the gear is(24 to 48vdc) MikroTik, but there are some Tranzeo
TR5A
> (18vdc)backhaul radios as well as Trango Tlink 10's (24vdc)and even
one
> Proxim Radio (48vdc) in place there. 
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mac
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
>> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:57 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
>>
>> What gear do you need to power on ?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
>> Behalf Of Mac Dearman
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
>>
>>
>>  I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain
elevator.
>> This
>> elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on
and
>> off
>> as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out
of
>> the
>> fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks
>> for
>> longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer
run
>> times
>> when the breakers are flipped off.
>>
>> Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power
>> output
>> voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries
>> with
>> the
>> ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
>> batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC
>> power
>> instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall
warts
>> convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the
>> elevator
>> and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of
our
>> network.
>>
>> Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!
>>
>> Thanks folks,
>> Mac
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Carl A jeptha

Tranzeo's can run at 24volts

You have a Good Day now,


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Mac Dearman wrote:

Most of the gear is(24 to 48vdc) MikroTik, but there are some Tranzeo TR5A
(18vdc)backhaul radios as well as Trango Tlink 10's (24vdc)and even one
Proxim Radio (48vdc) in place there. 



Thanks,
Mac

  

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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:57 AM
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What gear do you need to power on ?

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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions


 I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator.
This
elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and
off
as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of
the
fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks
for
longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run
times
when the breakers are flipped off.

Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power
output
voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries
with
the
ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC
power
instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts
convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the
elevator
and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our
network.

Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!

Thanks folks,
Mac


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Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread George Rogato

And I thought *ALL* the corn came from Iowa.

:)

George

Mike Hammett wrote:
Wow, you learn something every day.  What I've learned today is that 
down south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn 
belt.  ;-)


What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a 
power source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.) 
charge an array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should 
use 48 vDC for the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies 
that use 48 vDC as the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an 
Orthogon Gemini on my primary tower.  I can source 48 vDC power supplies 
for both.



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- Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions




I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. 
This
elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and 
off
as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of 
the

fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for
longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run 
times

when the breakers are flipped off.

Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power 
output
voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries 
with the

ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power
instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts
convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the 
elevator

and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our
network.

Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!

Thanks folks,
Mac


 


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Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Mike Hammett

Here in Illinois, we won't be harvesting our corn for another 2 months.


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Go to www.raleybros.com  (about 10 miles from my home) when the home page
comes up just keep refreshing your browser to change the pics displayed. 
All
of the elevators are already running over, the temporary ground storage 
bins

are full and now all the elevators around here are just dumping it on the
ground in huge piles. All the river port facilities are backed up for 
miles
with grain trucks trying to haul it out of here and the railroad 
facilities

can't get enough grain cars in to haul it all out of here.

Corn flakes ought to be .20 cents a box!

Mac




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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

Wow, you learn something every day.  What I've learned today is that
down
south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn belt.
;-)

What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a
power
source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.)
charge an
array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should use 48 vDC
for
the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies that use 48
vDC as
the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an Orthogon Gemini on
my
primary tower.  I can source 48 vDC power supplies for both.


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- Original Message -
From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions


>
> I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain
elevator.
> This
> elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on
and off
> as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out
of the
> fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks
for
> longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer
run
> times
> when the breakers are flipped off.
>
> Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power
> output
> voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries
with
> the
> ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
> batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC
power
> instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall
warts
> convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the
elevator
> and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of
our
> network.
>
> Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!
>
> Thanks folks,
> Mac
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Mike Hammett

From the National Corn Growers Association:


About 8 percent of the weight in a box of corn flakes is corn. Less than 5 
percent of the purchase price reflects the corn price. The remainder of the 
cost is in packaging and advertising.




From the Ohio Corn Growers:


Corn growers in Ohio rallied recently to get the word out on the true cost 
impact of rising corn prices. In this media report, there were a number of 
startling facts concerning the true impact on food costs.


"Only 3 cents of corn goes into a box of cereal," "But the cost of a box of 
corn flakes is so high because of marketing and transportation costs. Same 
with a bag of corn chips."


Corn prices are up about 33 percent from where they were a year ago, but the 
impact of that price rise is a much smaller part of food cost increases than 
is being reported


"Plain and simple, corn prices are not the sole reason, or even the major 
reason for higher prices in the grocery aisle today,"


"Corn is part of a portion of food products," ... "And it is only a small 
part of those foods where it is included. A large portion of food price 
increases come from foods that don't contain corn including fish, fruits and 
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From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions



Go to www.raleybros.com  (about 10 miles from my home) when the home page
comes up just keep refreshing your browser to change the pics displayed. 
All
of the elevators are already running over, the temporary ground storage 
bins

are full and now all the elevators around here are just dumping it on the
ground in huge piles. All the river port facilities are backed up for 
miles
with grain trucks trying to haul it out of here and the railroad 
facilities

can't get enough grain cars in to haul it all out of here.

Corn flakes ought to be .20 cents a box!

Mac




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

Wow, you learn something every day.  What I've learned today is that
down
south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn belt.
;-)

What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a
power
source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.)
charge an
array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should use 48 vDC
for
the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies that use 48
vDC as
the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an Orthogon Gemini on
my
primary tower.  I can source 48 vDC power supplies for both.


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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions


>
> I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain
elevator.
> This
> elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on
and off
> as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out
of the
> fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks
for
> longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer
run
> times
> when the breakers are flipped off.
>
> Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power
> output
> voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries
with
> the
> ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
> batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC
power
> instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall
warts
> convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the
elevator
> and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of
our
> network.
>
> Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!
>
> Thanks folks,
> Mac
>
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RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Mac Dearman
Go to www.raleybros.com  (about 10 miles from my home) when the home page
comes up just keep refreshing your browser to change the pics displayed. All
of the elevators are already running over, the temporary ground storage bins
are full and now all the elevators around here are just dumping it on the
ground in huge piles. All the river port facilities are backed up for miles
with grain trucks trying to haul it out of here and the railroad facilities
can't get enough grain cars in to haul it all out of here.

Corn flakes ought to be .20 cents a box!

Mac



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> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:21 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
> 
> Wow, you learn something every day.  What I've learned today is that
> down
> south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn belt.
> ;-)
> 
> What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a
> power
> source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.)
> charge an
> array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should use 48 vDC
> for
> the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies that use 48
> vDC as
> the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an Orthogon Gemini on
> my
> primary tower.  I can source 48 vDC power supplies for both.
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
> 
> 
> >
> > I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain
> elevator.
> > This
> > elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on
> and off
> > as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out
> of the
> > fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks
> for
> > longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer
> run
> > times
> > when the breakers are flipped off.
> >
> > Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power
> > output
> > voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries
> with
> > the
> > ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
> > batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC
> power
> > instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall
> warts
> > convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the
> elevator
> > and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of
> our
> > network.
> >
> > Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!
> >
> > Thanks folks,
> > Mac
> >
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Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Scott Reed
I haven't tried them yet, but a neighbor that does lots of SCADA work 
likes the MeanWell AD-15xx series power supplies, battery chargers.


Mac Dearman wrote:

Most of the gear is(24 to 48vdc) MikroTik, but there are some Tranzeo TR5A
(18vdc)backhaul radios as well as Trango Tlink 10's (24vdc)and even one
Proxim Radio (48vdc) in place there. 



Thanks,
Mac

  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:57 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

What gear do you need to power on ?

Gino A. Villarini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions


 I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator.
This
elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and
off
as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of
the
fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks
for
longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run
times
when the breakers are flipped off.

Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power
output
voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries
with
the
ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC
power
instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts
convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the
elevator
and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our
network.

Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!

Thanks folks,
Mac


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Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Mike Hammett
Wow, you learn something every day.  What I've learned today is that down 
south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn belt.  ;-)


What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a power 
source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.) charge an 
array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should use 48 vDC for 
the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies that use 48 vDC as 
the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an Orthogon Gemini on my 
primary tower.  I can source 48 vDC power supplies for both.



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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions




I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. 
This

elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off
as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the
fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for
longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run 
times

when the breakers are flipped off.

Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power 
output
voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with 
the

ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power
instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts
convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator
and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our
network.

Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!

Thanks folks,
Mac



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RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Mac Dearman
Most of the gear is(24 to 48vdc) MikroTik, but there are some Tranzeo TR5A
(18vdc)backhaul radios as well as Trango Tlink 10's (24vdc)and even one
Proxim Radio (48vdc) in place there. 


Thanks,
Mac

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
> 
> What gear do you need to power on ?
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mac Dearman
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
> 
> 
>  I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator.
> This
> elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and
> off
> as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of
> the
> fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks
> for
> longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run
> times
> when the breakers are flipped off.
> 
> Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power
> output
> voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries
> with
> the
> ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
> batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC
> power
> instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts
> convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the
> elevator
> and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our
> network.
> 
> Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!
> 
> Thanks folks,
> Mac
> 
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RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Gino Villarini
What gear do you need to power on ?

Gino A. Villarini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions


 I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator.
This
elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and
off
as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of
the
fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for
longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run
times
when the breakers are flipped off.

Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power
output
voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with
the
ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power
instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts
convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the
elevator
and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our
network.

Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!

Thanks folks,
Mac




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RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Mac Dearman

 I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This
elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off
as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the
fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for
longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times
when the breakers are flipped off.

Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output
voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the
ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your
batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power
instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts
convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator
and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our
network.

Any and all suggestions are welcomed!!

Thanks folks,
Mac



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