RE: [WISPA] recommendation forClient POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation forClient POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g Matt Liotta wrote: Jack Unger wrote: OK, I'll forgive the analogy but, in a real emergency, you have to do what needs to be done. Actually, in an emergency a public safety organization should make use of their emergency communication plan, which really shouldn't rely on unlicensed spectrum, a consumer access point, and a best effort internet connection. -Matt Probably 90% of public safety organizations' Emergency Communications Plans have made use of ham radio operators for years and continue to make use of hams today. A police officer isn't a communications expert which is why many police departments and County Offices of Emergency Services fund and support communications teams and vans manned by trained hams, who are communications experts. The use of unlicensed spectrum is becoming more and more the norm. To consider the use of a consumer access point not as the primary means of communication but as one of the many backup communications options is simply being realistic and practical. jack *Jack - someone mentioned in an earlier post something regarding the difference between a consultant that tells you the rules or knows the rules and one that don't. Are you a consultant ? and if so - are you saying that using illegal means to gain internet access is OK ? JohnnyO -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.29/608 - Release Date: 12/29/2006 8:22 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] recommendation forClient POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
JohnnyO, Please see my answers to your questions inline at the bottom of this email. Thanks, jack JohnnyO wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation forClient POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g Matt Liotta wrote: Jack Unger wrote: OK, I'll forgive the analogy but, in a real emergency, you have to do what needs to be done. Actually, in an emergency a public safety organization should make use of their emergency communication plan, which really shouldn't rely on unlicensed spectrum, a consumer access point, and a best effort internet connection. -Matt Probably 90% of public safety organizations' Emergency Communications Plans have made use of ham radio operators for years and continue to make use of hams today. A police officer isn't a communications expert which is why many police departments and County Offices of Emergency Services fund and support communications teams and vans manned by trained hams, who are communications experts. The use of unlicensed spectrum is becoming more and more the norm. To consider the use of a consumer access point not as the primary means of communication but as one of the many backup communications options is simply being realistic and practical. jack *Jack - someone mentioned in an earlier post something regarding the difference between a consultant that tells you the rules or knows the rules and one that don't. Are you a consultant ? and if so - are you saying that using illegal means to gain internet access is OK ? JohnnyO Answers: 1. Yes, I am a WISP consultant, a wireless network designer, a WISP trainer, an in-the-field WISP troubleshooter, a WISP business advisor, a WISP author, a WISP auditor, and a former WISP owner. I've served over 1500 wireless companies and organizations and trained over 2000 WISP personnel since I started my business in 1993. I continue to travel across the U.S. and Canada serving WISPs, colleges, cities, and my newest client which is the County Art Museum located in the second largest city in the U.S. Because of the magic of wireless, the variety of different challenges that I encounter and the good will and sincerity of the clients that I work for, I still love this work as I start my 14th year serving the broadband wireless community. 2. No, I am not saying that using illegal means to gain Internet access is OK. You are putting words into my mouth and I'm not going to let you get away with that. I said that in an emergency, accessing an available open access point to provide communications for emergency personnel is OK. If you doubt that, I invite you to run it by the FCC for their opinion. Have a Happy New Year, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] recommendation forClient POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
*** Jack Wrote . ---2. No, I am not saying that using illegal means to gain Internet access is OK. You are putting words into my mouth and I'm not going to let you get away with that. I said that in an emergency, accessing an available open access point to provide communications for emergency personnel is OK. If you doubt that, I invite you to run it by the FCC for their opinion. Jack - would you mind asking an FCC Official if this is legal or illegal ? I certainly hope that a ham operator can't break laws in order to steal an internet connection from an UNKNOWING person or business... The idea of them using someone's internet connection WITH permission during an emergency is COMPLETELY different then them just loggin on at will to an OPEN access point. It's illegal if they don't have permission. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation forClient POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g JohnnyO, Please see my answers to your questions inline at the bottom of this email. Thanks, jack JohnnyO wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation forClient POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g Matt Liotta wrote: Jack Unger wrote: OK, I'll forgive the analogy but, in a real emergency, you have to do what needs to be done. Actually, in an emergency a public safety organization should make use of their emergency communication plan, which really shouldn't rely on unlicensed spectrum, a consumer access point, and a best effort internet connection. -Matt Probably 90% of public safety organizations' Emergency Communications Plans have made use of ham radio operators for years and continue to make use of hams today. A police officer isn't a communications expert which is why many police departments and County Offices of Emergency Services fund and support communications teams and vans manned by trained hams, who are communications experts. The use of unlicensed spectrum is becoming more and more the norm. To consider the use of a consumer access point not as the primary means of communication but as one of the many backup communications options is simply being realistic and practical. jack *Jack - someone mentioned in an earlier post something regarding the difference between a consultant that tells you the rules or knows the rules and one that don't. Are you a consultant ? and if so - are you saying that using illegal means to gain internet access is OK ? JohnnyO Answers: 1. Yes, I am a WISP consultant, a wireless network designer, a WISP trainer, an in-the-field WISP troubleshooter, a WISP business advisor, a WISP author, a WISP auditor, and a former WISP owner. I've served over 1500 wireless companies and organizations and trained over 2000 WISP personnel since I started my business in 1993. I continue to travel across the U.S. and Canada serving WISPs, colleges, cities, and my newest client which is the County Art Museum located in the second largest city in the U.S. Because of the magic of wireless, the variety of different challenges that I encounter and the good will and sincerity of the clients that I work for, I still love this work as I start my 14th year serving the broadband wireless community. 2. No, I am not saying that using illegal means to gain Internet access is OK. You are putting words into my mouth and I'm not going to let you get away with that. I said that in an emergency, accessing an available open access point to provide communications for emergency personnel is OK. If you doubt that, I invite you to run it by the FCC for their opinion. Have a Happy New Year, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.29/608 - Release Date: 12/29/2006 8:22 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] recommendation forClient POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g
Johnny, you are probably right. There was a guy who was arrested recently sitting in his car in front of someones house and we all discussed it and there was 2 opinions: 1- If it aint secured, it's open and it 'should' be ok. 2- if you don't have permission your stealing regardless of it being an unsecured ap. So there ya go, your probably right, but I bet you'd have an awfully hard time getting anyone to listen in the event of an emergency.. I doubt a cop is going to arrest anyone. So whats the point? George JohnnyO wrote: *** Jack Wrote . ---2. No, I am not saying that using illegal means to gain Internet access is OK. You are putting words into my mouth and I'm not going to let you get away with that. I said that in an emergency, accessing an available open access point to provide communications for emergency personnel is OK. If you doubt that, I invite you to run it by the FCC for their opinion. Jack - would you mind asking an FCC Official if this is legal or illegal ? I certainly hope that a ham operator can't break laws in order to steal an internet connection from an UNKNOWING person or business... The idea of them using someone's internet connection WITH permission during an emergency is COMPLETELY different then them just loggin on at will to an OPEN access point. It's illegal if they don't have permission. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation forClient POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g JohnnyO, Please see my answers to your questions inline at the bottom of this email. Thanks, jack JohnnyO wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation forClient POE integrated radiofor 802.11b/g Matt Liotta wrote: Jack Unger wrote: OK, I'll forgive the analogy but, in a real emergency, you have to do what needs to be done. Actually, in an emergency a public safety organization should make use of their emergency communication plan, which really shouldn't rely on unlicensed spectrum, a consumer access point, and a best effort internet connection. -Matt Probably 90% of public safety organizations' Emergency Communications Plans have made use of ham radio operators for years and continue to make use of hams today. A police officer isn't a communications expert which is why many police departments and County Offices of Emergency Services fund and support communications teams and vans manned by trained hams, who are communications experts. The use of unlicensed spectrum is becoming more and more the norm. To consider the use of a consumer access point not as the primary means of communication but as one of the many backup communications options is simply being realistic and practical. jack *Jack - someone mentioned in an earlier post something regarding the difference between a consultant that tells you the rules or knows the rules and one that don't. Are you a consultant ? and if so - are you saying that using illegal means to gain internet access is OK ? JohnnyO Answers: 1. Yes, I am a WISP consultant, a wireless network designer, a WISP trainer, an in-the-field WISP troubleshooter, a WISP business advisor, a WISP author, a WISP auditor, and a former WISP owner. I've served over 1500 wireless companies and organizations and trained over 2000 WISP personnel since I started my business in 1993. I continue to travel across the U.S. and Canada serving WISPs, colleges, cities, and my newest client which is the County Art Museum located in the second largest city in the U.S. Because of the magic of wireless, the variety of different challenges that I encounter and the good will and sincerity of the clients that I work for, I still love this work as I start my 14th year serving the broadband wireless community. 2. No, I am not saying that using illegal means to gain Internet access is OK. You are putting words into my mouth and I'm not going to let you get away with that. I said that in an emergency, accessing an available open access point to provide communications for emergency personnel is OK. If you doubt that, I invite you to run it by the FCC for their opinion. Have a Happy New Year, jack -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
