Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
But then everyone will call you god I know it was a typo, but couldn't resist. Cameron e...@wisp-router.com wrote: > Correct. If the wavelength was different then it wouldn't be 900MHz. You can > break physics. > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: RickG > > Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:42:17 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > > Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise. > Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless > someone knows something I dont - which is always possible. > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul > Rice wrote: > >> heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal >> >> -- >> From: "RickG" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >>> Rice wrote: >>> >>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>>> approx >>>> 13 inches long >>>> >>> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I >>> guess you might have said Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the >>> wave cycle approx 13 inches long. >>> >>> Thanks! -RickG >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul >>> Rice wrote: >>> >>>> same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the >>>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. >>>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). >>>> >>>> -- >>>> From: "RickG" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>> >>>> >>>>> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >>>>> Rice wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>>>>> approx >>>>>> 13 inches long >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> From: "RickG" >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert >>>>>>> West >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to >>>>>>>> 900mhz >>>>>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never >>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> first time out. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik >>>>>>>> in >>&g
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Which was my point :) On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:57 AM, wrote: > Correct. If the wavelength was different then it wouldn't be 900MHz. You can > break physics. > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: RickG > > Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:42:17 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > > Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise. > Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless > someone knows something I dont - which is always possible. > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul > Rice wrote: >> heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal >> >> -- >> From: "RickG" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >>> Rice wrote: >>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>>> approx >>>> 13 inches long >>> >>> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I >>> guess you might have said Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the >>> wave cycle approx 13 inches long. >>> >>> Thanks! -RickG >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul >>> Rice wrote: >>>> same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the >>>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. >>>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). >>>> >>>> -- >>>> From: "RickG" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>> >>>>> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >>>>> Rice wrote: >>>>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>>>>> approx >>>>>> 13 inches long >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> From: "RickG" >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>>> >>>>>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert >>>>>>> West >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to >>>>>>>> 900mhz >>>>>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never >>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> first time out. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> my experience. >>>>>>>> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> least with the NorCal >>>>>>>> foliage we have here.
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Correct. If the wavelength was different then it wouldn't be 900MHz. You can break physics. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:42:17 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise. Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless someone knows something I dont - which is always possible. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul Rice wrote: > heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >> Rice wrote: >>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>> approx >>> 13 inches long >> >> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I >> guess you might have said Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the >> wave cycle approx 13 inches long. >> >> Thanks! -RickG >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul >> Rice wrote: >>> same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the >>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. >>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). >>> >>> -- >>> From: "RickG" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>>> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >>>> Rice wrote: >>>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>>>> approx >>>>> 13 inches long >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> From: "RickG" >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>> >>>>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert >>>>>> West >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to >>>>>>> 900mhz >>>>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >>>>>>> including >>>>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> first time out. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> my experience. >>>>>>> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> least with the NorCal >>>>>>> foliage we have here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> tim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >>>>>>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >>>>>>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102 415-663-8891 >>>>>>&
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Scada, railroad, cordless phones other wisps 30-50+ miles away. Just to mention a few sources we seen. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Mark McElvy" Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:55:02 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question I am curious about 900 noise. My 2.4 gear sees noise levels of about -98 to -102, but the XR9 setup I have with H120 sector see -80 to -85 or so. I am in a small town of 5000 and I am curious what might be generating such a high noise floor. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise. Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless someone knows something I dont - which is always possible. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul Rice wrote: > heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >> Rice wrote: >>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>> approx >>> 13 inches long >> >> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I >> guess you might have said Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the >> wave cycle approx 13 inches long. >> >> Thanks! -RickG >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul >> Rice wrote: >>> same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the >>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. >>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). >>> >>> -- >>> From: "RickG" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>>> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >>>> Rice wrote: >>>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>>>> approx >>>>> 13 inches long >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> From: "RickG" >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>> >>>>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert >>>>>> West >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to >>>>>>> 900mhz >>>>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >>>>>>> including >>>>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> first time out. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> my experience. >>>>>>> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> least with the
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Cordless phones, baby monitors, PAGING SYSTEMS, and the bane for rural Iowa users is the new GPS positioning systems on every big farmer's tractor. They make 900 MHz worthless even with filters; they use the entire allotment. Telemetry, talking refrigerators, and other consumer devices also use 900 MHz. It also propagates much better than 2.4 so noise can be coming from a LONG ways away. At 10:55 AM 9/3/2009, you wrote: >I am curious about 900 noise. My 2.4 gear sees noise levels of about >-98 to -102, but the XR9 setup I have with H120 sector see -80 to >-85 or so. I am in a small town of 5000 and I am curious what might >be generating such a high noise floor. > >Mark McElvy >AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >On Behalf Of RickG >Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:42 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise. >Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless >someone knows something I dont - which is always possible. > >On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul >Rice wrote: > > heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal > > > > -- > > From: "RickG" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul > >> Rice wrote: > >>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle > >>> approx > >>> 13 inches long > >> > >> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I > >> guess you might have said Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the > >> wave cycle approx 13 inches long. > >> > >> Thanks! -RickG > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul > >> Rice wrote: > >>> same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the > >>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. > >>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). > >>> > >>> -- > >>> From: "RickG" > >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM > >>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >>> > >>>> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul > >>>> Rice wrote: > >>>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle > >>>>> approx > >>>>> 13 inches long > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> From: "RickG" > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM > >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >>>>> > >>>>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert > >>>>>> West > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to > >>>>>>> 900mhz > >>>>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> do > >>>>>>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do > >>>>>>> including > >>>>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never > >>>>>>> work > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> first time out. :) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bob- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Original Message- > >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >>>>>>> On > >>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
I'm curious if anybody has explored using circular polarization at 900 MHz for some of the reasons posted in this thread? At 10:42 AM 9/3/2009, you wrote: >Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise. >Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless >someone knows something I dont - which is always possible. > >On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul >Rice wrote: > > heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal > > > > -- > > From: "RickG" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul > >> Rice wrote: > >>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle > >>> approx > >>> 13 inches long > >> > >> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I > >> guess you might have said Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the > >> wave cycle approx 13 inches long. > >> > >> Thanks! -RickG > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul > >> Rice wrote: > >>> same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the > >>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. > >>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). > >>> > >>> -- > >>> From: "RickG" > >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM > >>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >>> > >>>> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul > >>>> Rice wrote: > >>>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle > >>>>> approx > >>>>> 13 inches long > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> From: "RickG" > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM > >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >>>>> > >>>>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert > >>>>>> West > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to > >>>>>>> 900mhz > >>>>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> do > >>>>>>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do > >>>>>>> including > >>>>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never > >>>>>>> work > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> first time out. :) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bob- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Original Message- > >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >>>>>>> On > >>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM > >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>> my experience. > >>>>>>> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, > >>>>>>> at > >>>>>>> least with the NorCal > >>>>>>> foliage we have here. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> tim > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>&
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
I'd say that is a pretty good noise floor for 900MHz... remember this stuff can carry forever Cordless phones, baby monitors... basically most things wireless can use 900MHz. Then you could be near a paging tower... or possibly a SCADA network out there. Honestly... I'm surprised your 2.4GHz noise floor is that good too Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Mark McElvy >Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:55 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >I am curious about 900 noise. My 2.4 gear sees noise levels of about -98 >to -102, but the XR9 setup I have with H120 sector see -80 to -85 or so. >I am in a small town of 5000 and I am curious what might be generating >such a high noise floor. > >Mark McElvy >AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of RickG >Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:42 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise. >Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless >someone knows something I dont - which is always possible. > >On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul >Rice wrote: >> heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal >> >> ------ >> From: "RickG" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >>> Rice wrote: >>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>>> approx >>>> 13 inches long >>> >>> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I >>> guess you might have said Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the >>> wave cycle approx 13 inches long. >>> >>> Thanks! -RickG >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul >>> Rice wrote: >>>> same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to >the >>>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. >>>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). >>>> >>>> -- >>>> From: "RickG" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>> >>>>> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >>>>> Rice wrote: >>>>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave >cycle >>>>>> approx >>>>>> 13 inches long >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> From: "RickG" >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>>> >>>>>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert >>>>>>> West >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes >to >>>>>>>> 900mhz >>>>>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works >until >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the >opposite >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I >do >>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will >never >>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> first time out. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
I am curious about 900 noise. My 2.4 gear sees noise levels of about -98 to -102, but the XR9 setup I have with H120 sector see -80 to -85 or so. I am in a small town of 5000 and I am curious what might be generating such a high noise floor. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise. Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless someone knows something I dont - which is always possible. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul Rice wrote: > heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >> Rice wrote: >>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>> approx >>> 13 inches long >> >> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I >> guess you might have said Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the >> wave cycle approx 13 inches long. >> >> Thanks! -RickG >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul >> Rice wrote: >>> same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the >>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. >>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). >>> >>> -- >>> From: "RickG" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>>> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >>>> Rice wrote: >>>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>>>> approx >>>>> 13 inches long >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> From: "RickG" >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>> >>>>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert >>>>>> West >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to >>>>>>> 900mhz >>>>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >>>>>>> including >>>>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> first time out. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> my experience. >>>>>>> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> least with the NorCal >>>>>>> foliage we have here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> tim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> Tim Edwards, Ch
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise. Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless someone knows something I dont - which is always possible. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul Rice wrote: > heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >> Rice wrote: >>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>> approx >>> 13 inches long >> >> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I >> guess you might have said Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the >> wave cycle approx 13 inches long. >> >> Thanks! -RickG >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul >> Rice wrote: >>> same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the >>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. >>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). >>> >>> -- >>> From: "RickG" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>>> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >>>> Rice wrote: >>>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>>>> approx >>>>> 13 inches long >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> From: "RickG" >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>> >>>>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert >>>>>> West >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to >>>>>>> 900mhz >>>>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >>>>>>> including >>>>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> first time out. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> my experience. >>>>>>> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> least with the NorCal >>>>>>> foliage we have here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> tim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >>>>>>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >>>>>>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102 415-663-8891 >>>>>>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 >>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>>
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Rick...what data rate(s) are you running on the CPE and AP? What speed is the cust supposed to get? I would use something like 6/9/12/18 data rates at both ends. The slower the data rate the more headroom you will have. Leon * RickG wrote, On 9/2/2009 8:44 PM: I've got two customers on a 900MHz AP RB-433/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10, with a 13db v-pol omni. Customer 1 has RB-411/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10, with a 18db grid. 1 mile of solid trees. Signal is -85. Noise floor = -102. Customer 2 has RB-411/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10 with a 15db yagi. 1/4 mile solid trees. Signal is -65. Noise floor = -102. Both customers live with in a mile of each other in the same direction from the AP. Customer 1 is complaining about speed. My tests show about 600-1000Kbps. Customer 2 is working well with 2-3Mbps speeds. Up until a few weeks ago Customer 1 had near 3Mbps speeds. I lean towards blaming the foliage but full bloom has long since passed. Any thoughts? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2343 - Release Date: 09/03/09 05:50:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal -- From: "RickG" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul > Rice wrote: >> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >> approx >> 13 inches long > > I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I > guess you might have said Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the > wave cycle approx 13 inches long. > > Thanks! -RickG > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul > Rice wrote: >> same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the >> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. >> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). >> >> ------ >> From: "RickG" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >>> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >>> Rice wrote: >>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>>> approx >>>> 13 inches long >>>> >>>> -- >>>> From: "RickG" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>> >>>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert >>>>> West >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to >>>>>> 900mhz >>>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until >>>>>> I >>>>>> do >>>>>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite >>>>>> of >>>>>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >>>>>> including >>>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never >>>>>> work >>>>>> the >>>>>> first time out. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik >>>>>> in >>>>>> my experience. >>>>>> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, >>>>>> at >>>>>> least with the NorCal >>>>>> foliage we have here. >>>>>> >>>>>> tim >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >>>>>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >>>>>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 >>>>>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 >>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>>>>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much >>>>>>> better >>>>>>> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works >>>>>>> better >>>>>>> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would >>>>>>> prefer >>>>>>> their 900MHz option. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Chuck Hogg >>>>>>> Shelby Broadband >>>>>>> 502-722-
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul Rice wrote: > Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx > 13 inches long I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I guess you might have said Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx 13 inches long. Thanks! -RickG On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul Rice wrote: > same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the > orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. > 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul >> Rice wrote: >>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >>> approx >>> 13 inches long >>> >>> -------------- >>> From: "RickG" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West >>>> wrote: >>>>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to >>>>> 900mhz >>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I >>>>> do >>>>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite >>>>> of >>>>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >>>>> including >>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work >>>>> the >>>>> first time out. :) >>>>> >>>>> Bob- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>> >>>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in >>>>> my experience. >>>>> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at >>>>> least with the NorCal >>>>> foliage we have here. >>>>> >>>>> tim >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >>>>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >>>>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102 415-663-8891 >>>>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 >>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>>>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much >>>>>> better >>>>>> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >>>>>> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >>>>>> their 900MHz option. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Chuck Hogg >>>>>> Shelby Broadband >>>>>> 502-722-9292 >>>>>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Robert West >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >>>>>> 2.5 >>>>>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 >>>>>> miles >>>>>> of
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). -- From: "RickG" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul > Rice wrote: >> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle >> approx >> 13 inches long >> >> -- >> From: "RickG" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West >>> wrote: >>>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to >>>> 900mhz >>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I >>>> do >>>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite >>>> of >>>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >>>> including >>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work >>>> the >>>> first time out. :) >>>> >>>> Bob- >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>> >>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in >>>> my experience. >>>> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at >>>> least with the NorCal >>>> foliage we have here. >>>> >>>> tim >>>> >>>> -- >>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >>>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >>>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 >>>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 >>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much >>>>> better >>>>> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >>>>> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >>>>> their 900MHz option. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Chuck Hogg >>>>> Shelby Broadband >>>>> 502-722-9292 >>>>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Robert West >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>>> >>>>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >>>>> 2.5 >>>>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 >>>>> miles >>>>> of >>>>> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >>>>> Have >>>>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >>>>> XR9 >>>>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >>>>> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >>>>> to go >>>>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >>>>> of >>>>> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we&
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Size matters :) On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Robert West wrote: > It's not the size of the wave cycle, it's how you use it. Or something like > that. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Paul Rice > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:06 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx > 13 inches long > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West >> wrote: >>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz >>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do >>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of >>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >>> including >>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work >>> the >>> first time out. :) >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in >>> my experience. >>> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at >>> least with the NorCal >>> foliage we have here. >>> >>> tim >>> >>> -- >>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102 415-663-8891 >>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 >>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>> >>> >>> >>> Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better >>>> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >>>> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >>>> their 900MHz option. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chuck Hogg >>>> Shelby Broadband >>>> 502-722-9292 >>>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Robert West >>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>> >>>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >>>> 2.5 >>>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles >>>> of >>>> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >>>> Have >>>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >>>> XR9 >>>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >>>> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >>>> to go >>>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >>>> of >>>> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. >>>> >>>> Bob- >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr >>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>> >>>> We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and >>>> it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare >>>> in terms of penetration and
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
LOL, I can identify! -RickG On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Robert West wrote: > Exactly! But the wife never listens to that explanation of why I have to > "redo it again" after the fourth or fifth time. > > Never let someone tell you it can’t be done because even out of failure > lessons are learned. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:02 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > But look at all the experience you are gaining :) > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West > wrote: >> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz >> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do >> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of >> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do > including >> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work the >> first time out. :) >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in >> my experience. >> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at >> least with the NorCal >> foliage we have here. >> >> tim >> >> -- >> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >> 11101 Hiway 1, #102 415-663-8891 >> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 >> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> >> >> Chuck Hogg wrote: >>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better >>> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >>> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >>> their 900MHz option. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck Hogg >>> Shelby Broadband >>> 502-722-9292 >>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Robert West >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >>> 2.5 >>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles >>> of >>> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >>> Have >>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >>> XR9 >>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >>> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >>> to go >>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >>> of >>> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>> We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and >>> it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare >>> in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? >>> >>> >>> >>> Patrick Nix, Jr., >>> Computer Network Solutions >>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services >>> IT Manager >>> >>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com >>> http://www.csweb.net >>> >>> (918) 235-0414 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confide
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
I've got two customers on a 900MHz AP RB-433/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10, with a 13db v-pol omni. Customer 1 has RB-411/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10, with a 18db grid. 1 mile of solid trees. Signal is -85. Noise floor = -102. Customer 2 has RB-411/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10 with a 15db yagi. 1/4 mile solid trees. Signal is -65. Noise floor = -102. Both customers live with in a mile of each other in the same direction from the AP. Customer 1 is complaining about speed. My tests show about 600-1000Kbps. Customer 2 is working well with 2-3Mbps speeds. Up until a few weeks ago Customer 1 had near 3Mbps speeds. I lean towards blaming the foliage but full bloom has long since passed. Any thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul Rice wrote: > Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx > 13 inches long > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West >> wrote: >>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz >>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do >>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of >>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >>> including >>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work >>> the >>> first time out. :) >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in >>> my experience. >>> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at >>> least with the NorCal >>> foliage we have here. >>> >>> tim >>> >>> -- >>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102 415-663-8891 >>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 >>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>> >>> >>> >>> Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better >>>> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >>>> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >>>> their 900MHz option. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chuck Hogg >>>> Shelby Broadband >>>> 502-722-9292 >>>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Robert West >>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>> >>>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >>>> 2.5 >>>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles >>>> of >>>> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >>>> Have >>>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >>>> XR9 >>>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >>>> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >>>> to go >>>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >>>> of >>>> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. >>>> >>>> Bob- >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr >>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>> >>>> We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and >>>> it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare >>>> in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Patrick Nix, Jr., >>>> Computer Network Solutions >>>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services >>>> IT Manager >>>> >>>> http://www.cnetworksolut
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
I figured I would wake you up lol -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question Well now that's not very nice On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 14:43 -0400, ralph wrote: > Oh- you must be using Ligowave (ducking) > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:37 AM > To: t...@telescience.net; 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz > and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do > what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of > what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do including > sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work the > first time out. :) > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tim Edwards > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in > my experience. > Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at > least with the NorCal > foliage we have here. > > tim > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net > TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net > 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 > Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > Chuck Hogg wrote: > > I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better > > than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better > > imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer > > their 900MHz option. > > > > Regards, > > Chuck Hogg > > Shelby Broadband > > 502-722-9292 > > ch...@shelbybb.com > > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Robert West > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > > > I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a > > 2.5 > > mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles > > of > > that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. > > Have > > 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using > > XR9 > > cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal > > polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have > > to go > > out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind > > of > > throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. > > > > Bob- > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > > > We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and > > it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare > > in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? > > > > > > > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > > Computer Network Solutions > > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > > IT Manager > > > > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > > http://www.csweb.net > > > > (918) 235-0414 > > > > > > > > > > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and > > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and > > destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a > > person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be > >
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Bob, > no matter what I do it will never work the first time LOL, but actually you hit the nail on the head on that comment. No one can conculsively predict an unknown environment. The odds are 50/50 one will guess right. In my mind thats the biggest advantage of Dual Pol sectors for towers, "insurance". Pay an extra $300 bucks upfront, and guarantee that you dont have to pay $2000 later to re-climb the tower, and replace antenna, to correct a wrong guess. We also find it hard to teswt the results from remote potential CPE locations, while climbers are on the tower. Just not enough time. So much easier to do field survey testing the nxt day, and at that time select the polarity that is best. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:37 AM > To: t...@telescience.net; 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz > and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do > what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of > what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do > including > sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work the > first time out. :) > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tim Edwards > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in > my experience. > Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at > least with the NorCal > foliage we have here. > > tim > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net > TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net > 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 > Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > Chuck Hogg wrote: >> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better >> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >> their 900MHz option. >> >> Regards, >> Chuck Hogg >> Shelby Broadband >> 502-722-9292 >> ch...@shelbybb.com >> http://www.shelbybb.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Robert West >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >> 2.5 >> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles >> of >> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >> Have >> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >> XR9 >> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >> to go >> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >> of >> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and >> it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare >> in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? >> >> >> >> Patrick Nix, Jr., >> Computer Network Solutions >> CSWEB.NET Internet Services >> IT Manager >> >> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com >> http://www.csweb.net >> >> (918) 235-0414 >> >> >> >> >> >> Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and >> privileged information. If you ar
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
But does not practice make perfect Richard 2009/9/2 Robert West > It's not the size of the wave cycle, it's how you use it. Or something > like > that. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Paul Rice > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:06 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx > 13 inches long > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > > But look at all the experience you are gaining :) > > > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West > > wrote: > >> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to > 900mhz > >> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I > do > >> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of > >> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do > >> including > >> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work > >> the > >> first time out. :) > >> > >> Bob- > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of Tim Edwards > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >> > >> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in > >> my experience. > >> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at > >> least with the NorCal > >> foliage we have here. > >> > >> tim > >> > >> -- > >> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net > >> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net > >> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 > >> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 > >> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >> > >> > >> > >> Chuck Hogg wrote: > >>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much > better > >>> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better > >>> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer > >>> their 900MHz option. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Chuck Hogg > >>> Shelby Broadband > >>> 502-722-9292 > >>> ch...@shelbybb.com > >>> http://www.shelbybb.com > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > >>> Behalf Of Robert West > >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM > >>> To: 'WISPA General List' > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >>> > >>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a > >>> 2.5 > >>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles > >>> of > >>> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. > >>> Have > >>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using > >>> XR9 > >>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal > >>> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have > >>> to go > >>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind > >>> of > >>> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. > >>> > >>> Bob- > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > >>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr > >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >>> > >>> We've been using the T
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
It's not the size of the wave cycle, it's how you use it. Or something like that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Rice Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx 13 inches long -- From: "RickG" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > But look at all the experience you are gaining :) > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West > wrote: >> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz >> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do >> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of >> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >> including >> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work >> the >> first time out. :) >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in >> my experience. >> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at >> least with the NorCal >> foliage we have here. >> >> tim >> >> -- >> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 >> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 >> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> >> >> Chuck Hogg wrote: >>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better >>> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >>> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >>> their 900MHz option. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck Hogg >>> Shelby Broadband >>> 502-722-9292 >>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Robert West >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >>> 2.5 >>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles >>> of >>> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >>> Have >>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >>> XR9 >>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >>> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >>> to go >>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >>> of >>> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>> We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and >>> it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare >>> in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? >>> >>> >>> >>> Patrick Nix, Jr., >>> Computer Network Solutions >>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services >>> IT Manager >>> >>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com >>> http://www.csweb.net >>> >>> (918) 235-0414 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain conf
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Exactly! But the wife never listens to that explanation of why I have to "redo it again" after the fourth or fifth time. Never let someone tell you it cant be done because even out of failure lessons are learned. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question But look at all the experience you are gaining :) On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West wrote: > Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz > and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do > what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of > what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do including > sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work the > first time out. :) > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tim Edwards > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in > my experience. > Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at > least with the NorCal > foliage we have here. > > tim > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net > TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net > 11101 Hiway 1, #102 415-663-8891 > Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > Chuck Hogg wrote: >> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better >> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >> their 900MHz option. >> >> Regards, >> Chuck Hogg >> Shelby Broadband >> 502-722-9292 >> ch...@shelbybb.com >> http://www.shelbybb.com >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Robert West >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >> 2.5 >> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles >> of >> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >> Have >> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >> XR9 >> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >> to go >> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >> of >> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and >> it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare >> in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? >> >> >> >> Patrick Nix, Jr., >> Computer Network Solutions >> CSWEB.NET Internet Services >> IT Manager >> >> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com >> http://www.csweb.net >> >> (918) 235-0414 >> >> >> >> >> >> Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and >> privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please >> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and >> destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a >> person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be >> illegal. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Hey Harold. Good to see you on this list. -- From: "Harold Bledsoe" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:09 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > Well now that's not very nice > > > On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 14:43 -0400, ralph wrote: >> Oh- you must be using Ligowave (ducking) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Robert West >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:37 AM >> To: t...@telescience.net; 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz >> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do >> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of >> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >> including >> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work >> the >> first time out. :) >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in >> my experience. >> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at >> least with the NorCal >> foliage we have here. >> >> tim >> >> -- >> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 >> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 >> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> >> >> Chuck Hogg wrote: >> > I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much >> > better >> > than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >> > imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >> > their 900MHz option. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Chuck Hogg >> > Shelby Broadband >> > 502-722-9292 >> > ch...@shelbybb.com >> > http://www.shelbybb.com >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> > Behalf Of Robert West >> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >> > To: 'WISPA General List' >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> > >> > I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >> > 2.5 >> > mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles >> > of >> > that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >> > Have >> > 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >> > XR9 >> > cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >> > polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >> > to go >> > out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >> > of >> > throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. >> > >> > Bob- >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> > Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr >> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> > >> > We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy >> > and >> > it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare >> > in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? >> > >> > >> > >> > Patrick Nix, Jr., >> > Computer Network Solutions >> > CSWEB.NET Internet Services >> > IT Manager >> > >> > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com >> > http://www.csweb.net >> > >>
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Well now that's not very nice On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 14:43 -0400, ralph wrote: > Oh- you must be using Ligowave (ducking) > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:37 AM > To: t...@telescience.net; 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz > and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do > what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of > what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do including > sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work the > first time out. :) > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tim Edwards > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in > my experience. > Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at > least with the NorCal > foliage we have here. > > tim > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net > TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net > 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 > Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > Chuck Hogg wrote: > > I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better > > than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better > > imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer > > their 900MHz option. > > > > Regards, > > Chuck Hogg > > Shelby Broadband > > 502-722-9292 > > ch...@shelbybb.com > > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Robert West > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > > > I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a > > 2.5 > > mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles > > of > > that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. > > Have > > 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using > > XR9 > > cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal > > polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have > > to go > > out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind > > of > > throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. > > > > Bob- > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > > > We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and > > it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare > > in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? > > > > > > > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > > Computer Network Solutions > > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > > IT Manager > > > > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > > http://www.csweb.net > > > > (918) 235-0414 > > > > > > > > > > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and > > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and > > destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a > > person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be > > illegal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > --
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Oh- you must be using Ligowave (ducking) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:37 AM To: t...@telescience.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do including sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work the first time out. :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Edwards Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in my experience. Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at least with the NorCal foliage we have here. tim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Hogg wrote: > I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better > than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better > imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer > their 900MHz option. > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a > 2.5 > mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles > of > that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. > Have > 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using > XR9 > cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal > polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have > to go > out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind > of > throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and > it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare > in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? > > > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > Computer Network Solutions > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > IT Manager > > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > http://www.csweb.net > > (918) 235-0414 > > > > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and > destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a > person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be > illegal. > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
yep excellent point -- From: "ralph" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:37 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > And the fact that most interference sources are vertical! > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Paul Rice > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:06 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx > 13 inches long > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > >> But look at all the experience you are gaining :) >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West >> wrote: >>> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to >>> 900mhz >>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I >>> do >>> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of >>> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >>> including >>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work >>> the >>> first time out. :) >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in >>> my experience. >>> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at >>> least with the NorCal >>> foliage we have here. >>> >>> tim >>> >>> -- >>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 >>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 >>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>> >>> >>> >>> Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much >>>> better >>>> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >>>> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >>>> their 900MHz option. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chuck Hogg >>>> Shelby Broadband >>>> 502-722-9292 >>>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Robert West >>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>>> >>>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >>>> 2.5 >>>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles >>>> of >>>> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >>>> Have >>>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >>>> XR9 >>>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >>>> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >>>> to go >>>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >>>> of >>>> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. >>>> >>>> Bob- >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr >>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question &g
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
And the fact that most interference sources are vertical! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Rice Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx 13 inches long -- From: "RickG" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > But look at all the experience you are gaining :) > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West > wrote: >> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz >> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do >> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of >> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >> including >> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work >> the >> first time out. :) >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in >> my experience. >> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at >> least with the NorCal >> foliage we have here. >> >> tim >> >> -- >> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 >> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 >> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> >> >> Chuck Hogg wrote: >>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better >>> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >>> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >>> their 900MHz option. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck Hogg >>> Shelby Broadband >>> 502-722-9292 >>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Robert West >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >>> 2.5 >>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles >>> of >>> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >>> Have >>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >>> XR9 >>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >>> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >>> to go >>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >>> of >>> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>> We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and >>> it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare >>> in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? >>> >>> >>> >>> Patrick Nix, Jr., >>> Computer Network Solutions >>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services >>> IT Manager >>> >>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com >>> http://www.csweb.net >>> >>> (918) 235-0414 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and >>> pri
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx 13 inches long -- From: "RickG" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > But look at all the experience you are gaining :) > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West > wrote: >> Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz >> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do >> what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of >> what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do >> including >> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work >> the >> first time out. :) >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Tim Edwards >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in >> my experience. >> Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at >> least with the NorCal >> foliage we have here. >> >> tim >> >> -- >> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net >> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net >> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 >> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 >> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> >> >> Chuck Hogg wrote: >>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better >>> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >>> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >>> their 900MHz option. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck Hogg >>> Shelby Broadband >>> 502-722-9292 >>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Robert West >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >>> 2.5 >>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles >>> of >>> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >>> Have >>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >>> XR9 >>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >>> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >>> to go >>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >>> of >>> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >>> >>> We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and >>> it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare >>> in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? >>> >>> >>> >>> Patrick Nix, Jr., >>> Computer Network Solutions >>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services >>> IT Manager >>> >>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com >>> http://www.csweb.net >>> >>> (918) 235-0414 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and >>> privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please >>> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and >>> destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a >>> person other than the intended recip
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
But look at all the experience you are gaining :) On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West wrote: > Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz > and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do > what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of > what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do including > sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work the > first time out. :) > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tim Edwards > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in > my experience. > Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at > least with the NorCal > foliage we have here. > > tim > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net > TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net > 11101 Hiway 1, #102 415-663-8891 > Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > Chuck Hogg wrote: >> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better >> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >> their 900MHz option. >> >> Regards, >> Chuck Hogg >> Shelby Broadband >> 502-722-9292 >> ch...@shelbybb.com >> http://www.shelbybb.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Robert West >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >> 2.5 >> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles >> of >> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >> Have >> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >> XR9 >> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >> to go >> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >> of >> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and >> it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare >> in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? >> >> >> >> Patrick Nix, Jr., >> Computer Network Solutions >> CSWEB.NET Internet Services >> IT Manager >> >> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com >> http://www.csweb.net >> >> (918) 235-0414 >> >> >> >> >> >> Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and >> privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please >> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and >> destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a >> person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be >> illegal. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISP
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Using horizontal polarity helps avoid interference from vertical polarity. From what I read/experience a 25db difference. For example, my MT AP is hpol. On a customer site with nice clean LOS was getting -85, weaksauce. I went down, turned it 90 and back up to get -60. Someone built that one without labeling it thinking it wasn't necessary, like I just ask them to do things for no reason. Not that I wouldn't... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West wrote: > Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz > and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do > what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of > what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do including > sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work the > first time out. :) > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tim Edwards > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in > my experience. > Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at > least with the NorCal > foliage we have here. > > tim > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net > TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net > 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 > Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > Chuck Hogg wrote: > > I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better > > than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better > > imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer > > their 900MHz option. > > > > Regards, > > Chuck Hogg > > Shelby Broadband > > 502-722-9292 > > ch...@shelbybb.com > > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Robert West > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > > > I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a > > 2.5 > > mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles > > of > > that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. > > Have > > 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using > > XR9 > > cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal > > polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have > > to go > > out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind > > of > > throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. > > > > Bob- > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > > > We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and > > it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare > > in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? > > > > > > > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > > Computer Network Solutions > > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > > IT Manager > > > > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > > http://www.csweb.net > > > > (918) 235-0414 > > > > > > > > > > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and > > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and > > destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a > > person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be > > illegal. > >
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do including sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work the first time out. :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Edwards Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in my experience. Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at least with the NorCal foliage we have here. tim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Hogg wrote: > I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better > than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better > imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer > their 900MHz option. > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a > 2.5 > mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles > of > that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. > Have > 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using > XR9 > cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal > polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have > to go > out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind > of > throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and > it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare > in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? > > > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > Computer Network Solutions > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > IT Manager > > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > http://www.csweb.net > > (918) 235-0414 > > > > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and > destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a > person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be > illegal. > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Yeah it does, as long as there aren't three 500W 930Mhz paging vert pol Omnis next to your radios. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Tim Edwards" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in > my experience. > Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at > least with the NorCal > foliage we have here. > > tim > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net > TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net > 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 > Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 > =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > Chuck Hogg wrote: >> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better >> than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better >> imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer >> their 900MHz option. >> >> Regards, >> Chuck Hogg >> Shelby Broadband >> 502-722-9292 >> ch...@shelbybb.com >> http://www.shelbybb.com >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Robert West >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a >> 2.5 >> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles >> of >> that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. >> Have >> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using >> XR9 >> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal >> polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have >> to go >> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind >> of >> throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question >> >> We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and >> it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare >> in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? >> >> >> >> Patrick Nix, Jr., >> Computer Network Solutions >> CSWEB.NET Internet Services >> IT Manager >> >> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com >> http://www.csweb.net >> >> (918) 235-0414 >> >> >> >> >> >> Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and >> privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please >> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and >> destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a >> person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be >> illegal. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> ---
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in my experience. Why horizontal pol? Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at least with the NorCal foliage we have here. tim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891 Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375 =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Hogg wrote: > I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better > than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better > imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer > their 900MHz option. > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a > 2.5 > mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles > of > that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. > Have > 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using > XR9 > cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal > polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have > to go > out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind > of > throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and > it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare > in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? > > > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > Computer Network Solutions > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > IT Manager > > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > http://www.csweb.net > > (918) 235-0414 > > > > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and > destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a > person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be > illegal. > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better than MikroTik/XR9. I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better imo than XR9's. Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer their 900MHz option. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a 2.5 mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles of that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. Have 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using XR9 cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have to go out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind of throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
I hear ya, brother! I'm overly optimistic. I've also been waiting for that 13 cents the tooth fairy still owes me from 1972! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question Good luck and may the force be with you! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Robert West wrote: > I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a 2.5 > mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles of > that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. > Have > 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using XR9 > cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal > polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have to > go > out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind of > throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and > it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare > in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? > > > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > Computer Network Solutions > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > IT Manager > > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > http://www.csweb.net > > (918) 235-0414 > > > > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and > destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a > person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be > illegal. > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Good luck and may the force be with you! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Robert West wrote: > I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a 2.5 > mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles of > that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. > Have > 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using XR9 > cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal > polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have to > go > out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind of > throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question > > We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and > it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare > in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? > > > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > Computer Network Solutions > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > IT Manager > > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > http://www.csweb.net > > (918) 235-0414 > > > > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and > destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a > person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be > illegal. > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days. We have a 2.5 mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles of that running right over a creek. Doing it on the cheap, or trying to. Have 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using XR9 cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal polarity. The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have to go out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind of throughput we can get, if any. Haven't tried it before but we'll see. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and it's abilities. How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
