ofit back into
> >> the
> >> business to build out the network, there fore increasing potential. And
> >> then
> >> Banks did not look at those network assets with a value, the same as
> >> they
> >> would if it was still real estate, so to speak,
;> out twice. First the value of everything they already paid for
>> depreciated
>> in a big way and then the cash flow they are producing is buying less
>> because of inflation. Hope that makes sense..
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>>
On Jan 3, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Chuck, I will contact you offlist. I have some question.
Sure, be happy to answer whatever I can.
> I have not tried SBA recently, and its time that I probably should,
> before I
> critisize the program.
>
> My point was... In past experience..
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Another way of looking at it is that if deflation is occurring, and you
have committed to pay for the CPE via leasing, you will be using future
dollars that are worth more to pay for them, (e.g. at the time I commit
-Mobile
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:26:37
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Tom,
The points you make seem to drive home the point that some leasing
companies and other consultants t
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> Chuck, I will contact you offlist. I have some question.
> I have not tr
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Chuck, I will contact you offlist. I have some question.
I have not tried SBA recently, and its time that I probably
Broadband
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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:25 AM
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>
> On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>
>> What I'd li
ot;expert" contradicts
every other expert on many things.
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On Jan 1, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Actually, Not sure the Government has the right to define "broadband".
Any good contract defines for the purposes of the contract the terms
that are used that don't have an obviously clear independent
definition. The Government, if it's handin
" companies to use it, because
> that's how they make money.
>
> So again, how much shall we bet on this? :)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
> ++++
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Travis Johnson&qu
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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> Why worry
ireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: Travis Johnson
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>
>
> We have been chargin
ay, January 01, 2009 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow
We have been charging the same for internet service for almost 5 years
and just two days ago, we got double the new sign-ups on a single day of what
we can do for installs. Business is booming in our area an
programs to foster Long term sustaining service
to the public, after grant money is gone.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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We have been charging the same for internet service for almost 5 years and
just two days ago, we got double the new sign-ups on a single day of what we
can do for installs. Business is booming in our area and our industry.
: Thursday, January 01, 2009 11:38 PM
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eing available. That's gone from
"not
thinkable" to "likely" in just 6 months.
That's the wiser "bet", by a million times.
++++
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From: "Travis Johnson"
To: &qu
you in 6
> months?
> > I would not bet the company on it. I absolutely would NOT depend on it
> > for
> > the next 18 months. Re-write your business plan. Have a contingency
> plan
> > in place. Have one for no credit being available. That's gone from
> &
you in 6 months?
> I would not bet the company on it. I absolutely would NOT depend on it
> for
> the next 18 months. Re-write your business plan. Have a contingency plan
> in place. Have one for no credit being available. That's gone from "not
> thinkable&qu
n times.
++++++++++++
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> We have been charging the same for internet
avis Johnson"
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You can not grow in large scales without financing... and I don't
understand why people are against it. Our last equipment lease wa
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> You can not grow in large scales without financing... an
Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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> And provided you
ge -
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Every WISP needs to ask themselves... Why are they not deploying more
broadband? How come they have 500 custoemrs in
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>
> Every WISP needs to ask themselves... Why a
gt;
> This analogy has gotten some interesting conversations started with folks
> from the middle east.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeff Broadwick"
> To: "'WISPA General List'"
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 3:15 PM
> Subjec
area.
Tom DeReggi
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> Whitespaces
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I happen to agree with muddyfrog...
I built my network with NO money from the gov. My 'competition' has taken
gov money, lots of it
One of them
From: "Tom DeReggi"
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> Yeah, but the secret to getting more spectrum is not asking for it, nor
> proving need. The secret is identifying spectrum
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> Let us hope that with the push for more broadband accessibility we get
> more
> spectrum!!!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> D
ss, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> We have all
iddle east.
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> "Government" is not a monolith, and to condemn it out of hand is
ffects you.
Possible, but unlikely.
Happy New Year!
Jeff
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Behalf Of Jack Unger
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31, 2008 12:59 PM
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> Let us hope that with the push for more broadband accessibility we get
> more
> spectrum!!!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayn
st
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
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> 541-998-
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> I'm very, very, very tired of absolute and total incompetence of
> government
> being given my money and used
t; Jeff
>
> _
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jack Unger
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&g
g they can reduce the interest rate to the
borrower.
Regards,
Jeff
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Crossroads has shut things down for now due to money supply. Apparently with
the banking crisis their banks have delayed releasing funds to them for
deployment. My project for them was shut down back at the end of August.
Thank You
I happen to agree with muddyfrog...
I built my network with NO money from the gov. My 'competition' has
taken gov money, lots of it
One of them put up a $40K AP cluster, 900MHz, smack in the middle of a
900MHz PtP link I have, (running since 2001), and then complained to me
when they had
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I'm all for having someone else pay for expensive infrastructure, but I
hope that if the feds go forward
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> >From the article:
>
> "The big cable providers also want to target "underserved" areas, where
> there is only one broadband provider or t
I'm all for having someone else pay for expensive infrastructure, but I
hope that if the feds go forward with something like this, it's done
differently than the RUS system. It's easier to do business my way and
pay a tiny bit more for money from a bank, than to do all the RUS
planning and pape
you get government involved , EVERYONE will lose.
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>
Let us hope that with the push for more broadband accessibility we get more
spectrum!!!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373
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On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at
And your chainsaws- going to need to cut some mighty big holes in the
air to fit all the needed spectrum into
Chris
That article states they want to define "broadband" as 5Mbps, and some
folks suggest 10Mbps. Get your forklifts ready!
David Smith
MVN.net
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Cable wants it to be that way - that's why I'm worried cable buys the
decision makers. They did note that DSL is stuck in the 1 and 1.5 meg
range, though...
I do agree with the comment that the highway needs to be built large the one
time it is initially built, but not everyone can afford to use
Josh Luthman wrote:
> We have all had the pleasure to earn a customer that has three kids nagging
> at him for a PC and Internet access with that extra bonus check from work,
> but think of the countless older couples or less fortunate families that
> could really use the help catching up with the
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