Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices...
Interesting. I always thought that this was the way to guarantee that the ISP would not be liable. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:47 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices... On 03/16/2013 09:31 AM, Adam Greene wrote: The DCMA guidelines are pretty clear on the notice and take down requirements you have to fulfill to remain compliant yourself as the ISP. It's not a big deal in our experience. Been awhile since we've gotten any, but I don't believe any ISP has a legal obligation or legally required to meet some compliance. Basically the same reason the phone company can't be sued when phone lines are used for illegal activity. In any case we forward them on with a link to our AUP and call it a day. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices...
Yes. There's a whole dance around how you have to handle it to not be liable. Lots of details if you Google/Bing/Yodel DMCA Safe Harbor On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net wrote: Interesting. I always thought that this was the way to guarantee that the ISP would not be liable. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:47 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices... On 03/16/2013 09:31 AM, Adam Greene wrote: The DCMA guidelines are pretty clear on the notice and take down requirements you have to fulfill to remain compliant yourself as the ISP. It's not a big deal in our experience. Been awhile since we've gotten any, but I don't believe any ISP has a legal obligation or legally required to meet some compliance. Basically the same reason the phone company can't be sued when phone lines are used for illegal activity. In any case we forward them on with a link to our AUP and call it a day. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices...
On 03/16/2013 09:31 AM, Adam Greene wrote: The DCMA guidelines are pretty clear on the notice and take down requirements you have to fulfill to remain compliant yourself as the ISP. It's not a big deal in our experience. Been awhile since we've gotten any, but I don't believe any ISP has a legal obligation or legally required to meet some compliance. Basically the same reason the phone company can't be sued when phone lines are used for illegal activity. In any case we forward them on with a link to our AUP and call it a day. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices...
We block the offending traffic from the customer (it's almost always bittorrent or another peer to peer protocol), send the notice to the customer, and ask them to comply with the notice. We unblock the protocol if they inform us they have taken down the offending content. We reserve the right to cancel the customer's service if they repeatedly infringe. The DCMA guidelines are pretty clear on the notice and take down requirements you have to fulfill to remain compliant yourself as the ISP. It's not a big deal in our experience. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices... Did you bill the lawyer sending it to you? You can be the lawyer is billing his client. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10127841-93.html ryan On 3/15/2013 2:50 PM, Dan Petermann wrote: We pass them on. On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: Got my first DMCA infringement notice today (yay! Not...) Curious to hear what other action WISPs have taken with their customers when these notices come down. Do you simply pass the notice to the customer and have them correspond with the accuser or does the WISP act as an intermediary between rhe accuser and the WISP customer? Thanks in advance! -mike Sent from my iPhone ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices...
We pass them on. On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: Got my first DMCA infringement notice today (yay! Not...) Curious to hear what other action WISPs have taken with their customers when these notices come down. Do you simply pass the notice to the customer and have them correspond with the accuser or does the WISP act as an intermediary between rhe accuser and the WISP customer? Thanks in advance! -mike Sent from my iPhone ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices...
Happened to me twice this week. I guess they are getting busy. I pass them on to the customer, advise to secure their router if it's not already, because it might be their neighbor doing it. Recommend to not run bittorrent with uploading mode. Tell them I intend to ignore this notice, but I don't know what their next course of action will be. Thanks, Roger On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote: We pass them on. On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: Got my first DMCA infringement notice today (yay! Not...) Curious to hear what other action WISPs have taken with their customers when these notices come down. Do you simply pass the notice to the customer and have them correspond with the accuser or does the WISP act as an intermediary between rhe accuser and the WISP customer? Thanks in advance! -mike Sent from my iPhone ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices...
Did you bill the lawyer sending it to you? You can be the lawyer is billing his client. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10127841-93.html ryan On 3/15/2013 2:50 PM, Dan Petermann wrote: We pass them on. On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: Got my first DMCA infringement notice today (yay! Not...) Curious to hear what other action WISPs have taken with their customers when these notices come down. Do you simply pass the notice to the customer and have them correspond with the accuser or does the WISP act as an intermediary between rhe accuser and the WISP customer? Thanks in advance! -mike Sent from my iPhone ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
