Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Scottie Arnett wrote: >Why would it fall on Mikrotik to implement something to lock the >power level. I have used many certified radio's with certified >antennas that "I" can set the power level up with higher powered >certified antennas and be out of legal limits. In this instance, I >would be the one breaking the law. I can sell you a car that will >run 100 mph, but the speed limit is 55 - 80mph. If you drive it >100, you broke the law, not me. Perhaps my response was not clear enough. The package that was installed in the MT certified radio (which may or may not even be in production..I don't know) did not limit power AFAIK. It only limited frequencies. At least that is my understanding. Some of what I am sharing here is just rumor. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
My opinion is The reason I use 5.3G where I use it is because it won't interfere where 5.8G would. I have no problem buying and using DFS2 compliant devices. The problem is that there are no StarOS/Mikrotik systems that are certified yet for DFS2. Although it is true that handing new non-DFS2 5.3G gear is not legal. The FCC has no way to prove it, nor any desire to. My undersatnding is that pre-isntalled 5.3G gear was grandfathered. This is proven by a WISP making a list of the locations that it already had 5.3G gear installed. I'm not sure that there is a requirement to specifically list the exact gear at that location, to full fill that record. I'm not stating that I recommend or suggesting WISPs break the law. I'm simply stating, maybe its not wise to lock WISPs into a box. Its jsut a matter of time, until a WISP has a project with a radio that suddenly fails, and 10-20 customers are down, and I don't think that WISP or the Customers are goign to like it, if the WISP doesn't have the abilty to instantly put up a Radio to run in 5.3G, because 5.3G was removed entirely. It would force WISPs to prematurely migrate off Mikrotik and StarOS. The idea is that companies like StarOS and Mikrotik are working towards compliance, and hopefully soon will have DFS2 certified devices, so WISPs can replace failed units with compliant devices. But this doesn;t all happen overnight. I do not recomment Software manufacturrers to remove 5.3G support in its entirety, until they have a radio that is DFS2 compliant for the WISP to use. Thats just my opinion. Everything new customer I install is compliant. But if the WISP industry vendor and WISP risked using uncertified gear, they have the obligation to the customer to enable the WISP to keep customers operational, while the industry figures out how to make their new gear compliant. I'm OK with products shipping with 5.3G disabled as long as their is an international version that the WISP can flash to the device, to be empowered to solve emergency situations. PS. It is great news that Mikrotik is jumping on the FCC Certification bandwagon. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >I know we are already talking about breaking the rules, but even if it > was certified gear it is my understanding that you are not allowed to > hang new 5.3/5.4 gear that is not DFS2 capable. If you have the > equipment in stock it is allowed but all new gear must be DFS2. > > Personally I think this is where non-certified equipment is likely to > run into problems. While I don't think I have any radar around me to > kick in the DFS2 stuff I would be pretty leery of running non-cert gear > where you may interfere I think this would be a case of the FCC actively > persuing enforcement against non-certified equipment. > > Sam Tetherow > Sandhills Wireless > > Tom DeReggi wrote: >> But PLEASE don't sugget that!!! Remember backwards comaptibility, to in >> place networks. >> WISPs have tons of small mini networks running on 5.3Ghz. If one of my >> CPEs >> fry, it would be nice to replace it with a Certified unit, without >> changing >> the whole network to 5.8G, because the freq was locked out of new >> software. >> My point being, although pre-installed non-certified gear may not be >> legal, >> a WISPs right to use 5.3G with old rules, still is grandfathered for >> pre-existing systems and replacement radios for those systems. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >> >> >> >>> I'm pretty sure that they already are locked down by FCC domain. The >>> only place that I think it is possible to overdrive with stock ROS is in >>> the 5.1/5.3/5.4 and unless I am wrong all three of those bands are now >>> taboo without DFS2 certification so really all they need to do is limit >>> the frequency to the 2.4 and 5.8 range and everything would be good. >>> >>>Sam Tetherow >>>Sandhills Wireless >>> >>> >>> >>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> Mac, >>>> >>>> Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT softwa
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
Why would it fall on Mikrotik to implement something to lock the power level. I have used many certified radio's with certified antennas that "I" can set the power level up with higher powered certified antennas and be out of legal limits. In this instance, I would be the one breaking the law. I can sell you a car that will run 100 mph, but the speed limit is 55 - 80mph. If you drive it 100, you broke the law, not me. -- Original Message -- From: Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:08:20 -0600 (CST) >On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > >>Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. >>How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power >>outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are >>almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me >>seems pretty unlikely. :( > >There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits. It >does not require a unique "version", per se. This is what was done >for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems. > >-- >Butch Evans >Network Engineering and Security Consulting >573-276-2879 >http://www.butchevans.com/ >My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 >Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf >Mikrotik Certified Consultant >http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
You are close. No one can MAKE new gear that's not DFS2. If you find old stock or used gear you can still install it. marlon - Original Message - From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >I know we are already talking about breaking the rules, but even if it > was certified gear it is my understanding that you are not allowed to > hang new 5.3/5.4 gear that is not DFS2 capable. If you have the > equipment in stock it is allowed but all new gear must be DFS2. > > Personally I think this is where non-certified equipment is likely to > run into problems. While I don't think I have any radar around me to > kick in the DFS2 stuff I would be pretty leery of running non-cert gear > where you may interfere I think this would be a case of the FCC actively > persuing enforcement against non-certified equipment. > > Sam Tetherow > Sandhills Wireless > > Tom DeReggi wrote: >> But PLEASE don't sugget that!!! Remember backwards comaptibility, to in >> place networks. >> WISPs have tons of small mini networks running on 5.3Ghz. If one of my >> CPEs >> fry, it would be nice to replace it with a Certified unit, without >> changing >> the whole network to 5.8G, because the freq was locked out of new >> software. >> My point being, although pre-installed non-certified gear may not be >> legal, >> a WISPs right to use 5.3G with old rules, still is grandfathered for >> pre-existing systems and replacement radios for those systems. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >> >> >> >>> I'm pretty sure that they already are locked down by FCC domain. The >>> only place that I think it is possible to overdrive with stock ROS is in >>> the 5.1/5.3/5.4 and unless I am wrong all three of those bands are now >>> taboo without DFS2 certification so really all they need to do is limit >>> the frequency to the 2.4 and 5.8 range and everything would be good. >>> >>>Sam Tetherow >>>Sandhills Wireless >>> >>> >>> >>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> Mac, >>>> >>>> Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. >>>> How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, >>>> channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to >>>> have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty >>>> unlikely. :( >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> Microserv >>>> >>>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>>> >>>>> David, >>>>> >>>>>What this means is that MT has put together a combination of >>>>> antennas >>>>> from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them >>>>> certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability >>>>> to >>>>> produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean >>>>> that >>>>> if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) >>>>> together >>>>> and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. >>>>> >>>>> The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) >>>>> they >>>>> used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of >>>>> antennas >>>>> are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that >>>>> little >>>>> white sticker that seems so important! >>>>> >>>>> Mac >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable M
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
I know we are already talking about breaking the rules, but even if it was certified gear it is my understanding that you are not allowed to hang new 5.3/5.4 gear that is not DFS2 capable. If you have the equipment in stock it is allowed but all new gear must be DFS2. Personally I think this is where non-certified equipment is likely to run into problems. While I don't think I have any radar around me to kick in the DFS2 stuff I would be pretty leery of running non-cert gear where you may interfere I think this would be a case of the FCC actively persuing enforcement against non-certified equipment. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Tom DeReggi wrote: > But PLEASE don't sugget that!!! Remember backwards comaptibility, to in > place networks. > WISPs have tons of small mini networks running on 5.3Ghz. If one of my CPEs > fry, it would be nice to replace it with a Certified unit, without changing > the whole network to 5.8G, because the freq was locked out of new software. > My point being, although pre-installed non-certified gear may not be legal, > a WISPs right to use 5.3G with old rules, still is grandfathered for > pre-existing systems and replacement radios for those systems. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > > >> I'm pretty sure that they already are locked down by FCC domain. The >> only place that I think it is possible to overdrive with stock ROS is in >> the 5.1/5.3/5.4 and unless I am wrong all three of those bands are now >> taboo without DFS2 certification so really all they need to do is limit >> the frequency to the 2.4 and 5.8 range and everything would be good. >> >>Sam Tetherow >>Sandhills Wireless >> >> >> >> Travis Johnson wrote: >> >>> Mac, >>> >>> Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. >>> How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, >>> channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to >>> have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty >>> unlikely. :( >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>> >>>> David, >>>> >>>>What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas >>>> from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them >>>> certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to >>>> produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean >>>> that >>>> if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) >>>> together >>>> and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. >>>> >>>> The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) >>>> they >>>> used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of >>>> antennas >>>> are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little >>>> white sticker that seems so important! >>>> >>>> Mac >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >>>>> >>>>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> the list. >>>>> >>>>> [ snip ] >>>>> >>>>> Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening >>>>> the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions." >>>>> >>>>> The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification >>>>> still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? >>>>> Can I connect it to a Routerboa
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
And is there a 5ghz version available? 2.4 is pretty well hosed here due to 2wire 400mw units. 10 miles out I can hear 30 to 50+ units over 5~10 min (these units are all 8+mi away). At the primary tower its hundreds over 5~10 min. Now if only all those units would drop to ch 1, where a cellco has a T1 extender in place. On 1/23/08, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Who has them in stock? > > Travis > Microserv > > > Gino Villarini wrote: > Rf Connector is Hirose UF.L type , Retail is $120 ... > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > Anybody know what type of RF connectors are on the board? > What should one expect to pay for large quantities of the bare board? > > - Original Message - > From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > > > > It is > > http://www.shelbywireless.com/files/crossroads3.pdf > > > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On > > > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:19 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box? I could > > build > > > it > into an antenna. > - Original Message - > From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > > > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > > > > Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. > How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power > outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are > almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me > seems pretty unlikely. :( > > There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits. It > does not require a unique "version", per se. This is what was done > for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems. > > -- > Butch Evans > Network Engineering and Security Consulting > 573-276-2879 > http://www.butchevans.com/ > My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 > Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf > Mikrotik Certified Consultant > http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ >
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
But PLEASE don't sugget that!!! Remember backwards comaptibility, to in place networks. WISPs have tons of small mini networks running on 5.3Ghz. If one of my CPEs fry, it would be nice to replace it with a Certified unit, without changing the whole network to 5.8G, because the freq was locked out of new software. My point being, although pre-installed non-certified gear may not be legal, a WISPs right to use 5.3G with old rules, still is grandfathered for pre-existing systems and replacement radios for those systems. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > I'm pretty sure that they already are locked down by FCC domain. The > only place that I think it is possible to overdrive with stock ROS is in > the 5.1/5.3/5.4 and unless I am wrong all three of those bands are now > taboo without DFS2 certification so really all they need to do is limit > the frequency to the 2.4 and 5.8 range and everything would be good. > >Sam Tetherow >Sandhills Wireless > > > > Travis Johnson wrote: >> Mac, >> >> Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. >> How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, >> channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to >> have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty >> unlikely. :( >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Mac Dearman wrote: >>> David, >>> >>>What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas >>> from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them >>> certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to >>> produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean >>> that >>> if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) >>> together >>> and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. >>> >>> The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) >>> they >>> used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of >>> antennas >>> are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little >>> white sticker that seems so important! >>> >>> Mac >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >>>> >>>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>>> >>>>> I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with >>>>> >>>> the list. >>>> >>>> [ snip ] >>>> >>>> Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening >>>> the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions." >>>> >>>> The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification >>>> still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? >>>> Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software >>>> and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it >>>> with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's >>>> connected to? >>>> >>>> It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of >>>> components to get customers online. >>>> >>>> David Smith >>>> MVN.net >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> - >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> --- >>>> - >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>> >>> >>>
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
Who has them in stock? Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Rf Connector is Hirose UF.L type , Retail is $120 ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Anybody know what type of RF connectors are on the board? What should one expect to pay for large quantities of the bare board? - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! It is http://www.shelbywireless.com/files/crossroads3.pdf Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box? I could build it into an antenna. - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :( There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits. It does not require a unique "version", per se. This is what was done for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
I haven't used them, but the power settings are manual. They may have a high limit, but it is easily overridden. I don't believe there is anything to prevent you from (illegally) putting 15 db into a 4' dish in lower 5 GHz. Redline's manual filed with the FCC for their 3650 says if you use this antenna, don't enter more than this in the output power field... or something to that effect. Therefore, physically there's nothing preventing you from putting full power into the 20 db antenna, even though you're supposed to enter 0 or -1. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > Those products don't automatically turn the power down when you select > the 5.3ghz band? Trango does. The old CX-1's are restricted as well. > > Travis > Microserv > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> How many other platforms are really that much more restrictive? >> Redline's 3650 FCC certified gear asks you to turn the power down with a >> larger antenna. I believe its the same for Orthogon and Redline 5.4 GHz >> gear as well. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Travis Johnson >> To: WISPA General List >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >> >> >> Mac, >> >> Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How >> are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, >> channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to >> have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. >> :( >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Mac Dearman wrote: >> David, >> >>What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas >> from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them >> certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to >> produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean >> that >> if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together >> and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. >> >> The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) >> they >> used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of >> antennas >> are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little >> white sticker that seems so important! >> >> Mac >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >> >> Mac Dearman wrote: >> I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with >> the list. >> >> [ snip ] >> >> Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening >> the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions." >> >> The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification >> still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? >> Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software >> and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it >> with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's >> connected to? >> >> It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of >> components to get customers online. >> >> David Smith >> MVN.net >> >> >> --- >> - >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> - >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> -
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
Those products don't automatically turn the power down when you select the 5.3ghz band? Trango does. The old CX-1's are restricted as well. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: > How many other platforms are really that much more restrictive? Redline's > 3650 FCC certified gear asks you to turn the power down with a larger > antenna. I believe its the same for Orthogon and Redline 5.4 GHz gear as > well. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: Travis Johnson > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > > Mac, > > Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are > they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, channels, etc. > are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a > seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :( > > Travis > Microserv > > Mac Dearman wrote: > David, > >What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas > from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them > certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to > produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that > if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together > and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. > > The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they > used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas > are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little > white sticker that seems so important! > > Mac > > > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > Mac Dearman wrote: > I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with > the list. > > [ snip ] > > Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening > the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions." > > The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification > still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? > Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software > and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it > with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's > connected to? > > It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of > components to get customers online. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > -- > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
How many other platforms are really that much more restrictive? Redline's 3650 FCC certified gear asks you to turn the power down with a larger antenna. I believe its the same for Orthogon and Redline 5.4 GHz gear as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Mac, Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: David, What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little white sticker that seems so important! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Mac Dearman wrote: I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list. [ snip ] Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions." The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's connected to? It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of components to get customers online. David Smith MVN.net --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
Rf Connector is Hirose UF.L type , Retail is $120 ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Anybody know what type of RF connectors are on the board? What should one expect to pay for large quantities of the bare board? - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > It is > > http://www.shelbywireless.com/files/crossroads3.pdf > > > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:19 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box? I could build > it > into an antenna. > - Original Message - > From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > >> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >> >>>Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. >>>How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power >>>outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are >>>almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me >>>seems pretty unlikely. :( >> >> There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits. It >> does not require a unique "version", per se. This is what was done >> for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems. >> >> -- >> Butch Evans >> Network Engineering and Security Consulting >> 573-276-2879 >> http://www.butchevans.com/ >> My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 >> Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf >> Mikrotik Certified Consultant >> http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
Anybody know what type of RF connectors are on the board? What should one expect to pay for large quantities of the bare board? - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > It is > > http://www.shelbywireless.com/files/crossroads3.pdf > > > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:19 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box? I could build > it > into an antenna. > - Original Message - > From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > >> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >> >>>Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. >>>How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power >>>outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are >>>almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me >>>seems pretty unlikely. :( >> >> There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits. It >> does not require a unique "version", per se. This is what was done >> for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems. >> >> -- >> Butch Evans >> Network Engineering and Security Consulting >> 573-276-2879 >> http://www.butchevans.com/ >> My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 >> Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf >> Mikrotik Certified Consultant >> http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
It is http://www.shelbywireless.com/files/crossroads3.pdf Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box? I could build it into an antenna. - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > >>Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. >>How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power >>outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are >>almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me >>seems pretty unlikely. :( > > There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits. It > does not require a unique "version", per se. This is what was done > for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems. > > -- > Butch Evans > Network Engineering and Security Consulting > 573-276-2879 > http://www.butchevans.com/ > My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 > Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf > Mikrotik Certified Consultant > http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
I can't answer that one Travis - other than to say that they managed it somehow because their routerboard & operating system has absolutely passed the test with many antennas. There may be a MikroTik Jeanie included with the sticker. Hehehe I do know that I did see the test results of the 5.3 GHz /R52 radio and the test results showed the reduced power in the graphs. I don't imagine it would be too hard to leave out or disable "certain" abilities of their functionality. It could be as easy as just not allowing those options to show up in US models of their software that have FCC Certs. All units that will be US FCC certified will come as a unit - -we will not be able to build them ourselves. If we alter it after it has been certified by reloading the OS - - we uncertified our own gear, but then - - if you alter RedLine or Trango's gear it is no longer certified either. This was just my $0.02 worth and in no way do I represent MikroTik or their views/beliefs. The above was/is my own little pea brain and infantile thoughts J Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Mac, Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: David, What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little white sticker that seems so important! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Mac Dearman wrote: I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list. [ snip ] Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions." The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's connected to? It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of components to get customers online. David Smith MVN.net --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box? I could build it into an antenna. - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > >>Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. >>How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power >>outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are >>almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me >>seems pretty unlikely. :( > > There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits. It > does not require a unique "version", per se. This is what was done > for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems. > > -- > Butch Evans > Network Engineering and Security Consulting > 573-276-2879 > http://www.butchevans.com/ > My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 > Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf > Mikrotik Certified Consultant > http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
I'm pretty sure that they already are locked down by FCC domain. The only place that I think it is possible to overdrive with stock ROS is in the 5.1/5.3/5.4 and unless I am wrong all three of those bands are now taboo without DFS2 certification so really all they need to do is limit the frequency to the 2.4 and 5.8 range and everything would be good. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Travis Johnson wrote: > Mac, > > Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. > How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, > channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to > have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty > unlikely. :( > > Travis > Microserv > > Mac Dearman wrote: >> David, >> >>What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas >> from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them >> certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to >> produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that >> if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together >> and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. >> >> The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they >> used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas >> are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little >> white sticker that seems so important! >> >> Mac >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >>> >>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>> >>>> I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with >>>> >>> the list. >>> >>> [ snip ] >>> >>> Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening >>> the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions." >>> >>> The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification >>> still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? >>> Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software >>> and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it >>> with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's >>> connected to? >>> >>> It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of >>> components to get customers online. >>> >>> David Smith >>> MVN.net >>> >>> >>> --- >>> - >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> --- >>> - >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. >How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power >outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are >almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me >seems pretty unlikely. :( There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits. It does not require a unique "version", per se. This is what was done for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
Mac, Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: David, What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little white sticker that seems so important! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Mac Dearman wrote: I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list. [ snip ] Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions." The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's connected to? It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of components to get customers online. David Smith MVN.net --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
David, What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little white sticker that seems so important! Mac > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > Mac Dearman wrote: > > I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with > the list. > > [ snip ] > > Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening > the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions." > > The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification > still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? > Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software > and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it > with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's > connected to? > > It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of > components to get customers online. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
Mac Dearman wrote: > I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list. [ snip ] Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions." The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's connected to? It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of components to get customers online. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
