Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

[Joe Falaschi]

Look into hotel management companies.  We have a small handful of motel 
accounts and they have all come from the managment companies that own a bunch 
of properties of a variety of chains.  We do not have any Hilton or Marriott 
accounts.

Joe


On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> Are you trying to get your services into hotels? I am as well and would 
> appreciate any help I can get.
> 
> 
> 
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> From: "Gino Villarini" 
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> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:10:13 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?
> 
> Guys,
>  
> Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like 
> Regional IT Directors?
>  
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

[ralph]

Why shy away from a hotel? Sell them a managed service. Nothing wrong with that.

 

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Of timothy steele
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 1:01 PM
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Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

 

In my experience hotels always want you to manage there network for free I 
would stay away.. Getting service to apartment complex buildings now that is 
something knowing how to sell would be useful

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On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Are you trying to get your services into hotels? I am as well and would 
appreciate any help I can get.



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Guys,

 

Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like 
Regional IT Directors? 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

[timothy steele]

In my experience hotels always want you to manage there network for free I 
would stay away.. Getting service to apartment complex buildings now that is 
something knowing how to sell would be useful—
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> Are you trying to get your services into hotels? I am as well and would 
> appreciate any help I can get. 
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> Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions? 
> Guys, 
> Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like 
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

[Mike Hammett]

Are you trying to get your services into hotels? I am as well and would 
appreciate any help I can get. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
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- Original Message -

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Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:10:13 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions? 



Guys, 

Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like 
Regional IT Directors? 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

[Rick Harnish]

With a bribe! J

 

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Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 1:06 PM
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Cc: Jorge Santiago (jorge_santi...@otowfl.com)
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

 

Jorge, thanks for this info, what would be the best way to approach them?

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

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Behalf Of Jorge Santiago
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

 

Hi Gino,

 

Yes they do. Hilton has a corporate IT department that manages all
properties, locally and worldwide. 

 

I worked at Starwood PR as IT Director back in the days. Marriott also has a
similar setup to Hilton. 

 

Are you looking at these properties in PR? 

On Thursday, January 16, 2014, Gino Villarini wrote:

Guys,

 

Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like
Regional IT Directors? 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

[Gino Villarini]

Jorge, thanks for this info, what would be the best way to approach them?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jorge Santiago
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

Hi Gino,

Yes they do. Hilton has a corporate IT department that manages all properties, 
locally and worldwide.

I worked at Starwood PR as IT Director back in the days. Marriott also has a 
similar setup to Hilton.

Are you looking at these properties in PR?

On Thursday, January 16, 2014, Gino Villarini wrote:
Guys,

Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like 
Regional IT Directors?

Gino A. Villarini
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

[Jorge Santiago]

Hi Gino,

Yes they do. Hilton has a corporate IT department that manages all
properties, locally and worldwide.

I worked at Starwood PR as IT Director back in the days. Marriott also has
a similar setup to Hilton.

Are you looking at these properties in PR?

On Thursday, January 16, 2014, Gino Villarini wrote:

>  Guys,
>
>
>
> Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have
> like Regional IT Directors?
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com 
>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Nick Olsen]

Blake, This worked perfect. Anything using dst-nat was un-reliable as the 
browser would cache the page, So even since they were past the redirect 
part, The local machine would still load the same page for whatever site 
the person requested originally. However, using web-proxy it redirects the 
request perfectly.

I appreciate all the help I got on this one. Thanks to everyone.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
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From: "Blake Covarrubias" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:09 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

How about this?

/ip firewall nat
add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 action=accept 
src-address-list=proxy-bypass
add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 
action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=proxy-bypass 
address-list-timeout=1d 
add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 
action=redirect to-ports=8080

/ip proxy
set enabled=yes port=8080

/ip proxy access
add dst-port=80 action=allow dst-host="www.hotel.tld"
add dst-port=80 action=deny redirect-to="www.hotel.tld"

If you're not using proxy for anything else then it works great. Although, 
it does not allow them to simply reload the page to reach the URL they 
initially intended. The user would have to issue a totally new request to 
see the content they desire.

--
Blake Covarrubias
Network Manager / IT Consultant
Beamspeed, LLC

On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:41 PM, David E. Smith wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 14:20, Nick Olsen  wrote:
> Normally Hotspot works with a "I accept" button on a page, As thats what 
we have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a 
tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can 
bypass it.
> The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't 
really change at all.
> 
> Could you do something crazy like put their site in an iframe? Have the 
"parent" page include their mandatory page, and a bit of JavaScript. That 
JavaScript has their MAC embedded in a link, using the same sort of link as 
the "click to accept TOS" link, which auto-refreshes after one second (thus 
logging them in as though they'd clicked that link themselves). Then add 
their page (and whatever other things it uses) to the walled-garden.
> 
> Yes, this fails if they disable JavaScript, but it's a reasonable price 
to pay.
> 
> David Smith
> MVN.net
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Sam Tetherow]

Would something like this work?

If you used a large enough pool of IPs.
DHCP with a 24 hour expire time.
Then basically:


1) src-address-list=SEEN and out-interface=INTERNET passthrough=no 
action=accept


2) action=add-to-address-list address-list=SEEN address-list-timeout=24h 
passthrough=yes


3) redirect

So the first time through it doesn't match the accept in rule 1), 
instead it gets added to the address list (rule 2) and redirected (rule 
3).  Then all subsequent traffic for the next 24hours matches the first 
rule and is accepted by rule 1.


Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

On 1/6/11 2:41 PM, David E. Smith wrote:



On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 14:20, Nick Olsen > wrote:


Normally Hotspot works with a "I accept" button on a page, As
thats what we have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call
when a user has a tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can
read me the mac and I can bypass it.
The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And
can't really change at all.


Could you do something crazy like put their site in an iframe? Have 
the "parent" page include their mandatory page, and a bit of 
JavaScript. That JavaScript has their MAC embedded in a link, using 
the same sort of link as the "click to accept TOS" link, which 
auto-refreshes after one second (thus logging them in as though they'd 
clicked that link themselves). Then add their page (and whatever other 
things it uses) to the walled-garden.


Yes, this fails if they disable JavaScript, but it's a reasonable 
price to pay.


David Smith
MVN.net





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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Blake Covarrubias]

How about this?

/ip firewall nat
add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 action=accept 
src-address-list=proxy-bypass
add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 
action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=proxy-bypass 
address-list-timeout=1d 
add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 action=redirect 
to-ports=8080

/ip proxy
set enabled=yes port=8080

/ip proxy access
add dst-port=80 action=allow dst-host="www.hotel.tld"
add dst-port=80 action=deny redirect-to="www.hotel.tld"

If you're not using proxy for anything else then it works great. Although, it 
does not allow them to simply reload the page to reach the URL they initially 
intended. The user would have to issue a totally new request to see the content 
they desire.

--
Blake Covarrubias
Network Manager / IT Consultant
Beamspeed, LLC

On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:41 PM, David E. Smith wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 14:20, Nick Olsen  wrote:
> Normally Hotspot works with a "I accept" button on a page, As thats what we 
> have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a 
> tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can 
> bypass it.
> The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really 
> change at all.
> 
> Could you do something crazy like put their site in an iframe? Have the 
> "parent" page include their mandatory page, and a bit of JavaScript. That 
> JavaScript has their MAC embedded in a link, using the same sort of link as 
> the "click to accept TOS" link, which auto-refreshes after one second (thus 
> logging them in as though they'd clicked that link themselves). Then add 
> their page (and whatever other things it uses) to the walled-garden.
> 
> Yes, this fails if they disable JavaScript, but it's a reasonable price to 
> pay.
> 
> David Smith
> MVN.net
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[David E. Smith]

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 14:20, Nick Olsen  wrote:

> Normally Hotspot works with a "I accept" button on a page, As thats what we
> have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a
> tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can
> bypass it.
> The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really
> change at all.


Could you do something crazy like put their site in an iframe? Have the
"parent" page include their mandatory page, and a bit of JavaScript. That
JavaScript has their MAC embedded in a link, using the same sort of link as
the "click to accept TOS" link, which auto-refreshes after one second (thus
logging them in as though they'd clicked that link themselves). Then add
their page (and whatever other things it uses) to the walled-garden.

Yes, this fails if they disable JavaScript, but it's a reasonable price to
pay.

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

I hear ya, brother.  I hear ya.  These hotel higher ups need to get with the
"Now" on this wireless.  

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 3:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

Normally Hotspot works with a "I accept" button on a page, As thats what we
have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a
tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can
bypass it.
The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really
change at all.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:49 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

Possibly a simple screen the desk people can use to see what MAC ID is
attempting to login and do a manual authorize?  

 

It's in my mind now  That's a relief.  Finally not thinking about where
baby oil comes from..

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:46 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now
that don't have any "screen" to see a login button.  Game systems being the
first on my mind.  In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to
keep them from running the halls..  How can you get these basically blind
systems to punch through a page like that?

 

I never had the time to get the workaround.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get "fined" if it doesn't
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

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From: "Cameron Crum" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

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Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Nick Olsen]

Normally Hotspot works with a "I accept" button on a page, As thats what we 
have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a 
tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can bypass 
it.
The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really 
change at all.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(855) FLSPEED  x106



From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:49 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect



Possibly a simple screen the desk people can use to see what MAC ID is 
attempting to login and do a manual authorize?

It's in my mind now  That's a relief.  Finally not thinking about where 
baby oil comes from..





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:46 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect



The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now that 
don't have any "screen" to see a login button.  Game systems being the first on 
my mind.  In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to keep them from 
running the halls..  How can you get these basically blind systems to punch 
through a page like that?

I never had the time to get the workaround.



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect


That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company 
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get "fined" if it doesn't 
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button 
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations

(855) FLSPEED  x106






----


From: "Cameron Crum" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not just 
creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all the 
functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to say 
thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them in" 
(really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can continue 
on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West  wrote:


I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device 
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it 
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel 
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device 
one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode 
wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the calls went away.




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect




We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on 
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we 
have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a 
page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or something they 
go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used 
hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but this time around we don't 
control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of 
"login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations

(855) FLSPEED  x106

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

Possibly a simple screen the desk people can use to see what MAC ID is
attempting to login and do a manual authorize?  

 

It's in my mind now  That's a relief.  Finally not thinking about where
baby oil comes from..

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:46 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now
that don't have any "screen" to see a login button.  Game systems being the
first on my mind.  In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to
keep them from running the halls..  How can you get these basically blind
systems to punch through a page like that?

 

I never had the time to get the workaround.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get "fined" if it doesn't
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

  _  

From: "Cameron Crum" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[David E. Smith]

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 13:45, Robert West wrote:

> The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now
> that don’t have any “screen” to see a login button.  Game systems being the
> first on my mind.  In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to
> keep them from running the halls……  How can you get these basically blind
> systems to punch through a page like that?
>

I suppose, in that case, you could keep a few wireless bridges around to
lend to guests, with crossover cables, with their MACs already
pre-authorized. (Might have to have it do NAT, so the AP only sees its MAC
and not the MAC of the Xbox or whatever. Depends on the device.)

Or get the system's MAC, but that adds a lot of extra complications (your
hotel clerks now need to know how to get that information from every device
ever made, and how to add the MAC to an ACL somewhere).

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now
that don't have any "screen" to see a login button.  Game systems being the
first on my mind.  In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to
keep them from running the halls..  How can you get these basically blind
systems to punch through a page like that?

 

I never had the time to get the workaround.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get "fined" if it doesn't
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

  _  

From: "Cameron Crum" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[David E. Smith]

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 13:31, Nick Olsen  wrote:

> That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management
> company has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get "fined" if it
> doesn't redirect to the companies specific page.
> I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login
> button above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.



I'm doing something very similar to this. I just put the whole mandatory
page on the Mikrotik box itself, and made the "I agree to the TOS" link into
a "silently log this MAC into the hotspot for 24 hours" link.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

At the beginning it was a disclaimer page that the hotel operator wanted to
have at the suggestion of his lawyer.  Basically it would say "It's free but
everyone else is also on it and don't come crying to me if your computer or
finances get all jacked up".

 

The "Patel" wanted to try to make a buck and sell ad's on the splash page.  

 

But it's gone now.  Thankfully.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Nick Olsen]

That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company 
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get "fined" if it doesn't 
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button 
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(855) FLSPEED  x106



From: "Cameron Crum" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not just 
creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all the 
functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to say 
thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them in" 
(really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can continue 
on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West  wrote:



I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device 
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it 
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel 
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device 
one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode 
wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the calls went away.




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect






We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on 
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we 
have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a 
page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or something they 
go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used 
hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but this time around we don't 
control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of 
"login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Cameron Crum]

You could also put in a link to the real hotel page and put that url in the
walled garden so they can hit it no matter what, even on the first try.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
> just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
> the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
> say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
> in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
> continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>
>> I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
>> someone was trying to use that wouldn’t go through the redirect, I turned it
>> off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
>> and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
>> device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
>> secure mode wouldn’t allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
>> calls went away.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nick Olsen
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
>>
>>
>>
>> We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page
>> on the first page load.
>> We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
>> we have on location already.
>> The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
>> to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
>> something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
>> stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
>> this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
>> we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
>> I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
>> way.
>> What is everyone else doing?
>>
>> Nick Olsen
>> Network Operations
>>
>> (855) FLSPEED  x106
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Cameron Crum]

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West wrote:

> I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
> someone was trying to use that wouldn’t go through the redirect, I turned it
> off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
> and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
> device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
> secure mode wouldn’t allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
> calls went away.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Nick Olsen
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
>
>
>
> We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page
> on the first page load.
> We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
> we have on location already.
> The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
> to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
> something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
> stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
> this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
> we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
> I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
> way.
> What is everyone else doing?
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
>
> (855) FLSPEED  x106
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

   




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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

I think they use DirectWay but it could be another, either way, I had to
fight it.  Spectrum analyzer showed almost the entire band being used and if
we switched on in the middle of it the satellite link would go down.
Channel one keeps the both of us happy in these spots.


Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralphlists
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:17 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

Direcway, as are just about all satellite services these days, is on Ku
band- not 2.5 GHz.


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:55 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

The problem I've had from the hotels is that the ones I deal with have a
reservation system on the 2 way Satellite system running at 2.5ghz.  We
would either have internet and no satellite or satellite and no internet.
Was never able to spread the channels around.  Was tough finding the right
channel for long term even with the analyzer.  One hotel had finally gone
from that to internet based reservations but the others are still on the old
direct way setup.

Channel 1 seems to be the one I can use to keep from the satellite.

Bob0


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

Hmmm.  I guess I'm not surprised by that.  When I'm at a hotel and the 
internet sucks I just figure that that's because I'm in a hotel.  I've never

called to complain.

You can sure see that happen out in the field though!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel


Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs.  Never seen
anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

> Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but
> these are smaller 2 floor hotels.  Never get any complaints like that
> caused
> by the system, always the client PC.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid.
>
> Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems 
> and
> you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc.
>
> You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat
> downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity.
>
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Hotel
>
>
> >I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3
> MT411
>
> >all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411
> to
>
> >bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is
> there
>
> >any reason to do WDS?
> >
> > Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

If an AP isn't working right or on the same channel that's a different
story.  It would have helped you to set the ESSID differently but you
could have (I think Windows can) specify the BSSID to whatever AP is
working.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM, MDK  wrote:
> LOL, you haven't?   I learned new words to express my frustration over this
> a few years back, when I had to spend 2 days stuck in a hotel with nothing
> else to do but try to work remotely.   Same SSID and half of the AP's were
> on the same freaking channel, too.
>
> I jumped AP's about every 2-6 minutes, as 3 of them were all about the same
> RSSI, and none of them were good.    I was trying to do remote desktop over
> it and even IRC, none of which would stay working.
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
>> Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs.  Never
>> seen
>> anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
>> that counts.”
>> --- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but
>>> these are smaller 2 floor hotels.  Never get any complaints like that
>>> caused
>>> by the system, always the client PC.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>>>
>>> I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid.
>>>
>>> Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems
>>> and
>>> you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc.
>>>
>>> You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat
>>> downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity.
>>>
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Steve Barnes" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Hotel
>>>
>>>
>>> >I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3
>>> MT411
>>>
>>> >all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411
>>> to
>>>
>>> >bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is
>>> there
>>>
>>> >any reason to do WDS?
>>> >
>>> > Steve Barnes
>>> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[MDK]

LOL, you haven't?   I learned new words to express my frustration over this 
a few years back, when I had to spend 2 days stuck in a hotel with nothing 
else to do but try to work remotely.   Same SSID and half of the AP's were 
on the same freaking channel, too.

I jumped AP's about every 2-6 minutes, as 3 of them were all about the same 
RSSI, and none of them were good.I was trying to do remote desktop over 
it and even IRC, none of which would stay working.



--
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

> Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs.  Never 
> seen
> anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>
>> Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but
>> these are smaller 2 floor hotels.  Never get any complaints like that
>> caused
>> by the system, always the client PC.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>>
>> I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid.
>>
>> Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems 
>> and
>> you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc.
>>
>> You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat
>> downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity.
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Steve Barnes" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Hotel
>>
>>
>> >I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3
>> MT411
>>
>> >all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411
>> to
>>
>> >bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is
>> there
>>
>> >any reason to do WDS?
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[ralphlists]

Direcway, as are just about all satellite services these days, is on Ku
band- not 2.5 GHz.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:55 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

The problem I've had from the hotels is that the ones I deal with have a
reservation system on the 2 way Satellite system running at 2.5ghz.  We
would either have internet and no satellite or satellite and no internet.
Was never able to spread the channels around.  Was tough finding the right
channel for long term even with the analyzer.  One hotel had finally gone
from that to internet based reservations but the others are still on the old
direct way setup.

Channel 1 seems to be the one I can use to keep from the satellite.

Bob0


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

Hmmm.  I guess I'm not surprised by that.  When I'm at a hotel and the 
internet sucks I just figure that that's because I'm in a hotel.  I've never

called to complain.

You can sure see that happen out in the field though!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel


Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs.  Never seen
anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

> Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but
> these are smaller 2 floor hotels.  Never get any complaints like that
> caused
> by the system, always the client PC.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid.
>
> Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems 
> and
> you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc.
>
> You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat
> downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity.
>
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Hotel
>
>
> >I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3
> MT411
>
> >all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411
> to
>
> >bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is
> there
>
> >any reason to do WDS?
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

The problem I've had from the hotels is that the ones I deal with have a
reservation system on the 2 way Satellite system running at 2.5ghz.  We
would either have internet and no satellite or satellite and no internet.
Was never able to spread the channels around.  Was tough finding the right
channel for long term even with the analyzer.  One hotel had finally gone
from that to internet based reservations but the others are still on the old
direct way setup.

Channel 1 seems to be the one I can use to keep from the satellite.

Bob0


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

Hmmm.  I guess I'm not surprised by that.  When I'm at a hotel and the 
internet sucks I just figure that that's because I'm in a hotel.  I've never

called to complain.

You can sure see that happen out in the field though!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel


Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs.  Never seen
anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

> Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but
> these are smaller 2 floor hotels.  Never get any complaints like that
> caused
> by the system, always the client PC.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid.
>
> Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems 
> and
> you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc.
>
> You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat
> downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity.
>
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Hotel
>
>
> >I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3
> MT411
>
> >all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411
> to
>
> >bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is
> there
>
> >any reason to do WDS?
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

It's been quite some time so I don't think I've used my current laptop, but
with my previous laptop (Intel 3945 - awful card) when we finished a
deployment I would go to every corner of every hallway and run jperf and
ping making sure I could get online.  It lost a ping or two when jumping
between APs.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> Hmmm.  I guess I'm not surprised by that.  When I'm at a hotel and the
> internet sucks I just figure that that's because I'm in a hotel.  I've
> never
> called to complain.
>
> You can sure see that happen out in the field though!
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
>
> Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs.  Never
> seen
> anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but
> > these are smaller 2 floor hotels.  Never get any complaints like that
> > caused
> > by the system, always the client PC.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
> >
> > I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid.
> >
> > Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems
> > and
> > you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc.
> >
> > You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat
> > downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity.
> >
> > marlon
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Steve Barnes" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM
> > Subject: [WISPA] Hotel
> >
> >
> > >I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3
> > MT411
> >
> > >all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411
> > to
> >
> > >bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is
> > there
> >
> > >any reason to do WDS?
> > >
> > > Steve Barnes
> > > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Hmmm.  I guess I'm not surprised by that.  When I'm at a hotel and the 
internet sucks I just figure that that's because I'm in a hotel.  I've never 
called to complain.

You can sure see that happen out in the field though!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel


Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs.  Never seen
anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint.

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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

> Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but
> these are smaller 2 floor hotels.  Never get any complaints like that
> caused
> by the system, always the client PC.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid.
>
> Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems 
> and
> you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc.
>
> You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat
> downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity.
>
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Hotel
>
>
> >I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3
> MT411
>
> >all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411
> to
>
> >bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is
> there
>
> >any reason to do WDS?
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs.  Never seen
anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but
> these are smaller 2 floor hotels.  Never get any complaints like that
> caused
> by the system, always the client PC.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid.
>
> Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and
> you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc.
>
> You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat
> downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity.
>
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Hotel
>
>
> >I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3
> MT411
>
> >all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411
> to
>
> >bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is
> there
>
> >any reason to do WDS?
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but
these are smaller 2 floor hotels.  Never get any complaints like that caused
by the system, always the client PC.  

Bob-


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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid.

Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and 
you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc.

You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat 
downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity.

marlon

- Original Message - 
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel


>I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3 MT411

>all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411 to

>bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is there

>any reason to do WDS?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid.

Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and 
you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc.

You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat 
downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity.

marlon

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel


>I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3 MT411 
>all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411 to 
>bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is there 
>any reason to do WDS?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

I tried using WDS with the backhauls but I dropped some throughput so I went
to all AP/Client on those.  Using UBNT for most backhauls now...  Just
changed my last one over from WDS last night as a matter of fact.  That one
I had a sub running off of due to no better signal, took care of that
yesterday..  Now we're clean and legal.

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Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

How about doing the same with your towers?
-RickG

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Robert West 
wrote:
> I've always used WDS and the same SSIDs in the hotels.  Never had an issue
> with it.
>
> Bob-
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> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:40 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's.
> Doesnt it cause issues if you do?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
> wrote:
>> We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
>> (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
>> it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
>> room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
>> SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
>> you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
>> guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
>> very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
>> BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
>>
>>
>> -Kristian
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>> same ssid = yes
>>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>>> wds = no
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>
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>>> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>>> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>>> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

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How about doing the same with your towers?
-RickG

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Robert West  wrote:
> I've always used WDS and the same SSIDs in the hotels.  Never had an issue
> with it.
>
> Bob-
>
>
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> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:40 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's.
> Doesnt it cause issues if you do?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
> wrote:
>> We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
>> (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
>> it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
>> room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
>> SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
>> you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
>> guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
>> very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
>> BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
>>
>>
>> -Kristian
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>> same ssid = yes
>>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>>> wds = no
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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>>>
>>> > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>>> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>>> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>>> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

When I set one up, I don't have them in one chain.  Normally I would have
the gateway in the electrical room and associate APs to the left and to the
right and to one upstairs.  3 branches normally.  If one section goes down
the others can normally be used dep0ending on the signal.  But honestly, I
haven't had any issues with any of the installs except when the hotel
employees decide to hit reset buttons.

Bob-



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Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

One reason to avoid WDS is to have some redundancy - each AP is an island.
If you use WDS and have three AP's (A, B, and C) and they're all wired to
the router and one AP goes down you still have all the others working. If
you're using WDS and the topology is such that AP "A" is the only one
connected to the router and it feeds AP "B" which  feeds AP "C" and if you
lose AP "A" the whole network is down since the other two AP's would have no
connection to the internet. If instead AP "A" is still good but you lose AP
"B" then both "B" and "C" are down since AP "C" has no connection to the
internet.

Plus there's the loss of bandwidth with all the repeating going on with WDS.

Greg

On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:22 PM, RickG wrote:

> How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not
> hardwire - any drawbacks?
> (I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :)
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>> 
>> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>> 
>> Why not WDS?
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>>  wrote:
>>> same ssid = yes
>>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>>> wds = no
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>>>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>>>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>>>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>>> 
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>>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Alan Long]

We went down the road of having the same ssid on each ap at a hotel were
serve. It is 6 floors and we have 18 ap's throughout. Out of those there are
only 12 that have hard wire connections(we are unable to run any new cat5),
the others link via wds. We try and setup the wds so that the unwired units
are only one hop from a wired unit. Note we are using inherited cisco ap for
most of the locations and some pico2, that we added for better coverage. 
When we set ssid the same for everything, we had all kinds of issues, what
we saw was windows changing ap's automatically if it got a better signal
from another ap, thus dropping the connection and reconnecting. We decided
to name each ap for the room it is located, that way the users could lock
into an ap. It does also help with trouble shooting when someone calls in
saying they can't connect.
I did see post about what is the main issue most users have, that little
switch to turn off/on the wireless cards. That is our number 1 issue we see.


Aerowire
Alan Long
Director of Network Operations
alan.l...@aerowire.net
687 North Dean Road
Auburn, AL 36830
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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
(e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.


-Kristian


On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> same ssid = yes
> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> wds = no
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
> > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use  
> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set  
> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this  
> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Greg Ihnen]

One reason to avoid WDS is to have some redundancy - each AP is an island. If 
you use WDS and have three AP's (A, B, and C) and they're all wired to the 
router and one AP goes down you still have all the others working. If you're 
using WDS and the topology is such that AP "A" is the only one connected to the 
router and it feeds AP "B" which  feeds AP "C" and if you lose AP "A" the whole 
network is down since the other two AP's would have no connection to the 
internet. If instead AP "A" is still good but you lose AP "B" then both "B" and 
"C" are down since AP "C" has no connection to the internet.

Plus there's the loss of bandwidth with all the repeating going on with WDS.

Greg

On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:22 PM, RickG wrote:

> How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not
> hardwire - any drawbacks?
> (I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :)
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>> 
>> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>> 
>> Why not WDS?
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>>  wrote:
>>> same ssid = yes
>>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>>> wds = no
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>>>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>>>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>>>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>>> 
>>>> Steve Barnes
>>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

That's what I do.  WDS, plug it in, Velcro it to the wall.  Done.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not
hardwire - any drawbacks?
(I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :)

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>
> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> Why not WDS?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> same ssid = yes
>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>> wds = no
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

I've always used WDS and the same SSIDs in the hotels.  Never had an issue
with it.

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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:40 PM
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I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's.
Doesnt it cause issues if you do?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
wrote:
> We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
>
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> same ssid = yes
>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>> wds = no
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>> > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

Funny how that "FIX" seems to work most of the time.

Bob-

"It don't have no switch!"

Right..  Whatever



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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

According to the call center tickets (which are EXCELLENTLY kept up) that
accounted for 75% of all calls the month I checked.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> My favorite fix for when a guest can't connect to the hotel AP.
>
> "Turn on the wireless on your laptop".
>
> And later we hear.
>
> "Oh, I didn't know it has a switch..."
>
> Bob-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:16 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> It's uncommon for me to have broken APs, but when a guest can't connect to
> them 99.99% of the time my laptop and other guests can.  Should you need
to
> replace one use inssider or netstumbler.
>
> I wouldn't doubt guests prefer the 1 bar "hotel 1" because it's better
then
> the 5 bar "hotel 2".  Maybe I just don't have much faith in the
> non-technical crowd that is hotel residents.
>
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> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
> wrote:
>
> > We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> > (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> > it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> > room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> > SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> > you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> > guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> > very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> > BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
> >
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> > > same ssid = yes
> > > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > > wds = no
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> > > > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> > > > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> > > > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> > > >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

Don't daisy chain APs unless you absolutely must.

What I'm suggesting you use WDS for is if the APs support WDS, and using a
MT in station-wds mode (say the guest doesn't have a wireless card) and you
want the guest's MAC in your tracking database rather then the MT bridge.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:58 PM, RickG  wrote:

> That makes sense. Sometimes wiring can really suck or is impossible.
> If you dont need all that bandwidth, WDS may be the ticket.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
> > Every hop on WDS aps cuts the bw in 1/2..
> >
> >
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:53 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
> >
> > How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not
> > hardwire - any drawbacks?
> > (I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :)
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
> >  wrote:
> >> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
> >>
> >> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
> >>
> >> Why not WDS?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
> >>  wrote:
> >>> same ssid = yes
> >>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> >>> wds = no
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> >>>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> >>>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> >>>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve Barnes
> >>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[RickG]

That makes sense. Sometimes wiring can really suck or is impossible.
If you dont need all that bandwidth, WDS may be the ticket.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
> Every hop on WDS aps cuts the bw in 1/2..
>
>
> ---
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> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:53 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not
> hardwire - any drawbacks?
> (I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :)
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>>
>> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>>
>> Why not WDS?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>>  wrote:
>>> same ssid = yes
>>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>>> wds = no
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>>>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>>>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>>>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>>>
>>>> Steve Barnes
>>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Dennis Burgess]

Every hop on WDS aps cuts the bw in 1/2.. 


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not
hardwire - any drawbacks?
(I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :)

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>
> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> Why not WDS?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> same ssid = yes
>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>> wds = no
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>>
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>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Dennis Burgess]

Correct, and no point in putting in high power cards either! 


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the value of enabling WDS. A
client is a client, be it a Wifi card, USB card, or Wireless Ethernet
adapter.

Keep it simple.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

The idea I had in mind was if you used a MT in station-wds mode to
bridge
the customer's laptop.  Several properties we have offer bridges so that
people with no wireless cards or those who have problems with them can
get
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
wrote:

> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>
> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> Why not WDS?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
> > same ssid = yes
> > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > wds = no
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >
> >> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> >> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to
set
> >> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> >> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> >>
> >> Steve Barnes
> >> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[RickG]

How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not
hardwire - any drawbacks?
(I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :)

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>
> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> Why not WDS?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> same ssid = yes
>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>> wds = no
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[RickG]

So, any reason not to use the same SSID then?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Every device I've used picks the "best" AP.  It jumps between APs decently
> with Intel (lose some packets here or there but you maintain your
> connections as it's on the same network) and Atheros is flawless.  YMMV.
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> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:39 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's.
>> Doesnt it cause issues if you do?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
>> wrote:
>> > We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
>> > (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
>> > it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
>> > room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
>> > SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
>> > you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
>> > guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
>> > very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
>> > BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Kristian
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> >> same ssid = yes
>> >> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>> >> wds = no
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>> >> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>> >> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>> >> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Jerry Richardson]

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the value of enabling WDS. A client 
is a client, be it a Wifi card, USB card, or Wireless Ethernet adapter.

Keep it simple.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

The idea I had in mind was if you used a MT in station-wds mode to bridge
the customer's laptop.  Several properties we have offer bridges so that
people with no wireless cards or those who have problems with them can get
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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that counts."
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
wrote:

> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>
> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> Why not WDS?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
> > same ssid = yes
> > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > wds = no
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >
> >> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> >> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> >> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> >> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> >>
> >> Steve Barnes
> >> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

The idea I had in mind was if you used a MT in station-wds mode to bridge
the customer's laptop.  Several properties we have offer bridges so that
people with no wireless cards or those who have problems with them can get
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
wrote:

> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>
> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> Why not WDS?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
> > same ssid = yes
> > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > wds = no
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >
> >> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> >> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> >> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> >> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> >>
> >> Steve Barnes
> >> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Jerry Richardson]

WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.

Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

Why not WDS?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> same ssid = yes
> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> wds = no
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>
>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

Every device I've used picks the "best" AP.  It jumps between APs decently
with Intel (lose some packets here or there but you maintain your
connections as it's on the same network) and Atheros is flawless.  YMMV.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:39 PM, RickG  wrote:

> I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's.
> Doesnt it cause issues if you do?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
> wrote:
> > We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> > (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> > it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> > room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> > SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> > you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> > guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> > very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> > BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
> >
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> >> same ssid = yes
> >> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> >> wds = no
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> >> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> >> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> >> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[RickG]

I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's.
Doesnt it cause issues if you do?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:
> We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
>
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> same ssid = yes
>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>> wds = no
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>> > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[RickG]

Why not WDS?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> same ssid = yes
> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> wds = no
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>
>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[RickG]

The Pico2's are sweet!

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> I'd use XR5s if you can, if not use R52H.  Depending on your cost you
> might want to use Ubnt for APs.
>
> I have not used MT APs but enabling it a one command extra work but
> could save you down the road for whatever reason...
>
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> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
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> continue that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3 MT411 
>> all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411 to 
>> bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is there 
>> any reason to do WDS?
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

According to the call center tickets (which are EXCELLENTLY kept up) that
accounted for 75% of all calls the month I checked.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Robert West wrote:

> My favorite fix for when a guest can't connect to the hotel AP.
>
> "Turn on the wireless on your laptop".
>
> And later we hear.
>
> "Oh, I didn't know it has a switch..."
>
> Bob-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:16 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> It's uncommon for me to have broken APs, but when a guest can't connect to
> them 99.99% of the time my laptop and other guests can.  Should you need to
> replace one use inssider or netstumbler.
>
> I wouldn't doubt guests prefer the 1 bar "hotel 1" because it's better then
> the 5 bar "hotel 2".  Maybe I just don't have much faith in the
> non-technical crowd that is hotel residents.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
> wrote:
>
> > We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> > (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> > it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> > room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> > SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> > you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> > guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> > very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> > BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
> >
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> > > same ssid = yes
> > > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > > wds = no
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> > > > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> > > > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> > > > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> > > >
> > > > Steve Barnes
> > > > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

My favorite fix for when a guest can't connect to the hotel AP.

"Turn on the wireless on your laptop".

And later we hear.

"Oh, I didn't know it has a switch..."  

Bob-

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

It's uncommon for me to have broken APs, but when a guest can't connect to
them 99.99% of the time my laptop and other guests can.  Should you need to
replace one use inssider or netstumbler.

I wouldn't doubt guests prefer the 1 bar "hotel 1" because it's better then
the 5 bar "hotel 2".  Maybe I just don't have much faith in the
non-technical crowd that is hotel residents.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
wrote:

> We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
>
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> > same ssid = yes
> > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > wds = no
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >
> > > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> > > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> > > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> > > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> > >
> > > Steve Barnes
> > > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

It's uncommon for me to have broken APs, but when a guest can't connect to
them 99.99% of the time my laptop and other guests can.  Should you need to
replace one use inssider or netstumbler.

I wouldn't doubt guests prefer the 1 bar "hotel 1" because it's better then
the 5 bar "hotel 2".  Maybe I just don't have much faith in the
non-technical crowd that is hotel residents.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:

> We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
>
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> > same ssid = yes
> > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > wds = no
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >
> > > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> > > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> > > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> > > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> > >
> > > Steve Barnes
> > > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> > >
> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Kristian Hoffmann]

We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
(e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.


-Kristian


On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> same ssid = yes
> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> wds = no
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> > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use  
> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set  
> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this  
> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

Oops didn't notice that, definitely use Jerry's suggestion for channels.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> same ssid = yes
> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> wds = no
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>
>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>
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>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Jerry Richardson]

same ssid = yes
same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
wds = no

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:

> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use  
> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set  
> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this  
> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

I'd use XR5s if you can, if not use R52H.  Depending on your cost you
might want to use Ubnt for APs.

I have not used MT APs but enabling it a one command extra work but
could save you down the road for whatever reason...

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> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3 MT411 
> all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411 to 
> bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is there 
> any reason to do WDS?
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RE: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support

[Mac Dearman]

Cliff,

   The individual people in the hotel will be calling you - - not the hotel
staff. The hotels we carry on this service do their own support and I
couldn't be happier! The first hotel we hooked up tried passing on their
support calls to us for a short time and there were some real idiots - -
almost as bad as some of my regulars :-)

 If you take on support for these hotels - - get the pricing structure from
providers that do this for a living or even outsource that to them. I know
that when I get hung up answering tech support calls here - - - - I feel
like either murdering someone or beating my dog!

Mac Dearman
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:18 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support
> 
> I have been approached by a local Hotel to provide Internet access and
> control for their guest.
> 
> My concern is the 24-hour support for the hotspot/gateway. Does anyone
> have suggestions on how much support may be required and how you price
> such service? Do you offer 24-hour support to the hotel IT department
> after they are called first by the guest, or all the guest individually
> place support calls directly to you?
> 
> - Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219
> - www.cssla.com
> - www.triparish.net

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support

[Mike Hammett]

Are you saying not many hookers or parties use the hotspot?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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- Original Message - 
From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support


We provide tier 1.5 support (the front desk tries to answer questions but 
it depends on who is working).  Of the 6 motels and hotels we offer 
service for we probably get 2-3 calls a month total usually within normal 
support hours 8am to 9pm but occasionally the phone rings around 6am or 
10pm.


I really think it would depend on how much traffic you have through the 
hotels and what type of traffic it is (tourist vs business travel).


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Cliff Leboeuf wrote:
I have been approached by a local Hotel to provide Internet access and 
control for their guest.


My concern is the 24-hour support for the hotspot/gateway. Does anyone 
have suggestions on how much support may be required and how you price 
such service? Do you offer 24-hour support to the hotel IT department 
after they are called first by the guest, or all the guest individually 
place support calls directly to you?


- Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219 - www.cssla.com - www.triparish.net


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Re: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support

[Sam Tetherow]

We provide tier 1.5 support (the front desk tries to answer questions 
but it depends on who is working).  Of the 6 motels and hotels we offer 
service for we probably get 2-3 calls a month total usually within 
normal support hours 8am to 9pm but occasionally the phone rings around 
6am or 10pm.


I really think it would depend on how much traffic you have through the 
hotels and what type of traffic it is (tourist vs business travel).


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Cliff Leboeuf wrote:

I have been approached by a local Hotel to provide Internet access and control 
for their guest.

My concern is the 24-hour support for the hotspot/gateway. Does anyone have 
suggestions on how much support may be required and how you price such service? 
Do you offer 24-hour support to the hotel IT department after they are called 
first by the guest, or all the guest individually place support calls directly 
to you?

- Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219 
- www.cssla.com 
- www.triparish.net



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Re: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support

[Blair Davis]

Let them do the teir one support.

Else you will get calls from people who can't turn on the wireless 
switch on the laptop or who forgot to bring a cat5 cable with 
them.  ;)


Cliff Leboeuf wrote:

I have been approached by a local Hotel to provide Internet access and control 
for their guest.

My concern is the 24-hour support for the hotspot/gateway. Does anyone have 
suggestions on how much support may be required and how you price such service? 
Do you offer 24-hour support to the hotel IT department after they are called 
first by the guest, or all the guest individually place support calls directly 
to you?

- Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219 
- www.cssla.com 
- www.triparish.net
  


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