Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

2011-03-11 Thread Dylan Bouterse
transmitrf.com

 

Sorry if this issue is resolved. I'm just getting through email after
vacation.

 

Dylan

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

 

I have one on the tower at the office.

http://i.imgur.com/eaasg.jpg

Doesn't seem to really change anything.  Monday I lost one of the APs on
it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Jenco Wireless bradhagst...@gmail.com
wrote:

First storm of the year, early Monday morning (2-28), it wakes me up at
4 AM.  It damaged a lot of gear on a grain leg.  I remember a product
that is like an upside-down, copper, Chia-Pet that you can put on the
top of a tower to dissipate a lightning strike in to many smaller
hits.  I am ready to buy some of these!!  Anyone ever used them, if
so, do they work and where did you get them??

 

 

 

 

Thanks!!

 

 

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(Jenco Wireless, LLC)






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Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

2011-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
I have one on the tower at the office.

http://i.imgur.com/eaasg.jpg

Doesn't seem to really change anything.  Monday I lost one of the APs on it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Jenco Wireless bradhagst...@gmail.comwrote:

 First storm of the year, early Monday morning (2-28), it wakes me up at 4
 AM.  It damaged a lot of gear on a grain leg.  I remember a product that is
 like an upside-down, copper, Chia-Pet that you can put on the top of a
 tower to dissipate a lightning strike in to many smaller hits.  I am ready
 to buy some of these!!  Anyone ever used them, if so, do they work and where
 did you get them??




 Thanks!!


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 (Jenco Wireless, LLC)




 
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Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

2011-03-03 Thread Scott Reed
The towers that survive the best for me are the ones that have lots of 
ground rods.  minimum 7 8' rods in a 35' or more perimeter.  All 
interconnected with large copper wire.  For the ones I have installed we 
run a wire 35' out from each leg.  One rod at 18', one at the end.  All 
the 18' rods are connect around the loop (triangle.) All the 35' rods 
are connected.  One right at the tower that is also the ground point for 
all the electronics.  All the radials connect to this rod and the tower.


The theory is to get a large enough area you can supply enough electrons 
so that the charge between the air and the ground is never enough to 
allow lightning to form.  It also provides a fairly low impedance to 
ground for induced charges from nearby strikes to help reduce the damage 
to equipment on your tower.


On 3/3/2011 4:10 PM, Jenco Wireless wrote:
First storm of the year, early Monday morning (2-28), it wakes me up 
at 4 AM.  It damaged a lot of gear on a grain leg.  I remember a 
product that is like an upside-down, copper, Chia-Pet that you can 
put on the top of a tower to dissipate a lightning strike in to many 
smaller hits.  I am ready to buy some of these!!  Anyone ever used 
them, if so, do they work and where did you get them??

Thanks!!
Brad Hagstrom
(Jenco Wireless, LLC)





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Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

2011-03-03 Thread Mike Mattox
The static dissipators need to be taller than the antennas, and VERY well 
grounded.  They will provide a cone of protection around the equipment under 
them.  I know of a radio station building that took a hit about every year.  He 
installed these and has not been hit since, around 10 years.  I have some from 
Alltec on my tower and have not had a hit.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!


  I have one on the tower at the office.

  http://i.imgur.com/eaasg.jpg

  Doesn't seem to really change anything.  Monday I lost one of the APs on it.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Jenco Wireless bradhagst...@gmail.com wrote:

First storm of the year, early Monday morning (2-28), it wakes me up at 4 
AM.  It damaged a lot of gear on a grain leg.  I remember a product that is 
like an upside-down, copper, Chia-Pet that you can put on the top of a tower 
to dissipate a lightning strike in to many smaller hits.  I am ready to buy 
some of these!!  Anyone ever used them, if so, do they work and where did you 
get them??




Thanks!!


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(Jenco Wireless, LLC)





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Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

2011-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Is the thing in my picture the static dissipator you're referring to?

I don't think mine is very well grounded at all.  I'll have to investigate
that.  I would love to put one of these up on every tower, ground it and
never have problems again!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote:

  The static dissipators need to be taller than the antennas, and VERY well
 grounded.  They will provide a cone of protection around the equipment under
 them.  I know of a radio station building that took a hit about every year.
 He installed these and has not been hit since, around 10 years.  I have some
 from Alltec on my tower and have not had a hit.



 - Original Message -
  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:23 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

 I have one on the tower at the office.

 http://i.imgur.com/eaasg.jpg

 Doesn't seem to really change anything.  Monday I lost one of the APs on
 it.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Jenco Wireless bradhagst...@gmail.comwrote:

 First storm of the year, early Monday morning (2-28), it wakes me up at 4
 AM.  It damaged a lot of gear on a grain leg.  I remember a product that is
 like an upside-down, copper, Chia-Pet that you can put on the top of a
 tower to dissipate a lightning strike in to many smaller hits.  I am ready
 to buy some of these!!  Anyone ever used them, if so, do they work and where
 did you get them??




 Thanks!!


 Brad Hagstrom
 (Jenco Wireless, LLC)




 
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Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

2011-03-03 Thread Mike Mattox
Yes.  Mine is grounded with 2-ought copper wire running down each leg, bonded 
to a ring of ground rods (probably 15 total) circling the tower.  

I'll take a picture of mine and post it in a little bit.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!


  Is the thing in my picture the static dissipator you're referring to?

  I don't think mine is very well grounded at all.  I'll have to investigate 
that.  I would love to put one of these up on every tower, ground it and never 
have problems again!!!

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote:

The static dissipators need to be taller than the antennas, and VERY well 
grounded.  They will provide a cone of protection around the equipment under 
them.  I know of a radio station building that took a hit about every year.  He 
installed these and has not been hit since, around 10 years.  I have some from 
Alltec on my tower and have not had a hit.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!


  I have one on the tower at the office.

  http://i.imgur.com/eaasg.jpg

  Doesn't seem to really change anything.  Monday I lost one of the APs on 
it.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Jenco Wireless bradhagst...@gmail.com 
wrote:

First storm of the year, early Monday morning (2-28), it wakes me up at 
4 AM.  It damaged a lot of gear on a grain leg.  I remember a product that is 
like an upside-down, copper, Chia-Pet that you can put on the top of a tower 
to dissipate a lightning strike in to many smaller hits.  I am ready to buy 
some of these!!  Anyone ever used them, if so, do they work and where did you 
get them??




Thanks!!


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Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

2011-03-03 Thread Mike Mattox
Here is a photo of mine, there are 3 curved ones that look like big pipe 
cleaners, 1 on each leg, then the one on the top which points out 4 directions.

http://www.mcmsys.com/photos/tower.JPG



  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Mattox 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!


  Yes.  Mine is grounded with 2-ought copper wire running down each leg, bonded 
to a ring of ground rods (probably 15 total) circling the tower.  

  I'll take a picture of mine and post it in a little bit.


- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!


Is the thing in my picture the static dissipator you're referring to?

I don't think mine is very well grounded at all.  I'll have to investigate 
that.  I would love to put one of these up on every tower, ground it and never 
have problems again!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote:

  The static dissipators need to be taller than the antennas, and VERY well 
grounded.  They will provide a cone of protection around the equipment under 
them.  I know of a radio station building that took a hit about every year.  He 
installed these and has not been hit since, around 10 years.  I have some from 
Alltec on my tower and have not had a hit.


- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!


I have one on the tower at the office.

http://i.imgur.com/eaasg.jpg

Doesn't seem to really change anything.  Monday I lost one of the APs 
on it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Jenco Wireless bradhagst...@gmail.com 
wrote:

  First storm of the year, early Monday morning (2-28), it wakes me up 
at 4 AM.  It damaged a lot of gear on a grain leg.  I remember a product that 
is like an upside-down, copper, Chia-Pet that you can put on the top of a 
tower to dissipate a lightning strike in to many smaller hits.  I am ready to 
buy some of these!!  Anyone ever used them, if so, do they work and where did 
you get them??




  Thanks!!


  Brad Hagstrom
  (Jenco Wireless, LLC)



  

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Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

2011-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Wow that looks really good!  Any idea how much you spent on that stuff?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote:

  Here is a photo of mine, there are 3 curved ones that look like big pipe
 cleaners, 1 on each leg, then the one on the top which points out 4
 directions.

 http://www.mcmsys.com/photos/tower.JPG




 - Original Message -
  *From:* Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:14 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

 Yes.  Mine is grounded with 2-ought copper wire running down each leg,
 bonded to a ring of ground rods (probably 15 total) circling the tower.

 I'll take a picture of mine and post it in a little bit.



 - Original Message -
  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:56 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

 Is the thing in my picture the static dissipator you're referring to?

 I don't think mine is very well grounded at all.  I'll have to investigate
 that.  I would love to put one of these up on every tower, ground it and
 never have problems again!!!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote:

  The static dissipators need to be taller than the antennas, and VERY
 well grounded.  They will provide a cone of protection around the equipment
 under them.  I know of a radio station building that took a hit about every
 year.  He installed these and has not been hit since, around 10 years.  I
 have some from Alltec on my tower and have not had a hit.



   - Original Message -
  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:23 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

 I have one on the tower at the office.

 http://i.imgur.com/eaasg.jpg

 Doesn't seem to really change anything.  Monday I lost one of the APs on
 it.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Jenco Wireless bradhagst...@gmail.comwrote:

 First storm of the year, early Monday morning (2-28), it wakes me up at 4
 AM.  It damaged a lot of gear on a grain leg.  I remember a product that is
 like an upside-down, copper, Chia-Pet that you can put on the top of a
 tower to dissipate a lightning strike in to many smaller hits.  I am ready
 to buy some of these!!  Anyone ever used them, if so, do they work and where
 did you get them??




 Thanks!!


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 (Jenco Wireless, LLC)




 
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Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

2011-03-03 Thread Mike Mattox
Don't exactly remember offhand, but I'm thinking it was around $700.  Cheap 
insurance.



  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!


  Wow that looks really good!  Any idea how much you spent on that stuff?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote:

Here is a photo of mine, there are 3 curved ones that look like big pipe 
cleaners, 1 on each leg, then the one on the top which points out 4 directions.

http://www.mcmsys.com/photos/tower.JPG



  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Mattox 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!


  Yes.  Mine is grounded with 2-ought copper wire running down each leg, 
bonded to a ring of ground rods (probably 15 total) circling the tower.  

  I'll take a picture of mine and post it in a little bit.


- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!


Is the thing in my picture the static dissipator you're referring to?

I don't think mine is very well grounded at all.  I'll have to 
investigate that.  I would love to put one of these up on every tower, ground 
it and never have problems again!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote:

  The static dissipators need to be taller than the antennas, and VERY 
well grounded.  They will provide a cone of protection around the equipment 
under them.  I know of a radio station building that took a hit about every 
year.  He installed these and has not been hit since, around 10 years.  I have 
some from Alltec on my tower and have not had a hit.


- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!


I have one on the tower at the office.

http://i.imgur.com/eaasg.jpg

Doesn't seem to really change anything.  Monday I lost one of the 
APs on it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Jenco Wireless 
bradhagst...@gmail.com wrote:

  First storm of the year, early Monday morning (2-28), it wakes me 
up at 4 AM.  It damaged a lot of gear on a grain leg.  I remember a product 
that is like an upside-down, copper, Chia-Pet that you can put on the top of 
a tower to dissipate a lightning strike in to many smaller hits.  I am ready 
to buy some of these!!  Anyone ever used them, if so, do they work and where 
did you get them??




  Thanks!!


  Brad Hagstrom
  (Jenco Wireless, LLC)



  

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Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

2011-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Wow that is cheap!  I'd gladly spend $1k to save my multiple $1k backhauls
from lightning.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote:

  Don't exactly remember offhand, but I'm thinking it was around $700.
 Cheap insurance.




 - Original Message -
 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:25 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

 Wow that looks really good!  Any idea how much you spent on that stuff?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote:

  Here is a photo of mine, there are 3 curved ones that look like big pipe
 cleaners, 1 on each leg, then the one on the top which points out 4
 directions.

 http://www.mcmsys.com/photos/tower.JPG




  - Original Message -
 *From:* Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
   *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:14 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

 Yes.  Mine is grounded with 2-ought copper wire running down each leg,
 bonded to a ring of ground rods (probably 15 total) circling the tower.

 I'll take a picture of mine and post it in a little bit.



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:56 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

 Is the thing in my picture the static dissipator you're referring to?

 I don't think mine is very well grounded at all.  I'll have to investigate
 that.  I would love to put one of these up on every tower, ground it and
 never have problems again!!!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote:

  The static dissipators need to be taller than the antennas, and VERY
 well grounded.  They will provide a cone of protection around the equipment
 under them.  I know of a radio station building that took a hit about every
 year.  He installed these and has not been hit since, around 10 years.  I
 have some from Alltec on my tower and have not had a hit.



   - Original Message -
 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:23 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!

 I have one on the tower at the office.

 http://i.imgur.com/eaasg.jpg

 Doesn't seem to really change anything.  Monday I lost one of the APs on
 it.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Jenco Wireless 
 bradhagst...@gmail.comwrote:

 First storm of the year, early Monday morning (2-28), it wakes me up at
 4 AM.  It damaged a lot of gear on a grain leg.  I remember a product that
 is like an upside-down, copper, Chia-Pet that you can put on the top of a
 tower to dissipate a lightning strike in to many smaller hits.  I am 
 ready
 to buy some of these!!  Anyone ever used them, if so, do they work and 
 where
 did you get them??




 Thanks!!


 Brad Hagstrom
 (Jenco Wireless, LLC)




 
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