Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
It's not ip based (which is good when your system is down :-).  This is 
pager based.


When we get some extra funds this is the kind of gear we'll put in.

http://www.nighthawksystems.com/

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These are great units, its what we use also at our cell sites. You can get 
them for $250 for 8 port, in qty 5.

These are well worth it for cell sites.

What I'd like to see though is a sub-$100 unit for 1 or 2 port reboot 
device for client CPE side.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Try this, all our towers have this installed, it even pings for an auto 
reboot, $300 is cheep !

http://www.corpsys.com/store/prodinfo.asp?number=EPCRvariation=aitem=3mitem=20

Chuck Profito
CV-ACCESS
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Thanks thats good to know. Since we don't run DHCP anywhere.
Based on that, probably only good as a home unit, thats behind a home 
gateway w/ DHCP.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower
sites.  The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a 
subnet and
default gateway.  You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those 
key
routing numbers inserted.  I like the size and the price is right, I 
guess

for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features.

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
260-918-4340 VoIP
www.oibw.net
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http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3

Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
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Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet
port
for remote reboot ... $80

Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
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Hi all.

I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.

It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a
relay off or on remotely

Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!

Any ideas?


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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-10 Thread Tom DeReggi

A bit pricey for $695.


Internal power supply, 48V, 1A. 4 Watts max.


Unclear on load capabilty. 48Vx1amp=48W.

Not to useful, when it integrates power and ethernet, if it doesn't support 
passing VLAN/large packets.


The added AC reboot recepticle was a good idea.  Without it, it prevents the 
Reboot device to be used to reboot a PC based router. What good is it to 
save on reboot device cost, if two are needed, one for DC one for AC? So it 
solves that problem.


However, for a unit to support end user CPEs, bothAC and DC support really 
not needed. ONe or the other will work.  The only requirement is for it to 
cost under a $100!  It would be nice if the reboot device supported two 
devices. That would then allow rebooting both home gateway and CPE radio.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Blair

I think this will do what you need tell them Tony front Demarc sent you:
http://www.remotedatacom.com/pages/KABU.html

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-244-9068 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com



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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:22 PM
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Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that will do 
what

I need and fit in the space allowed.

The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand for a 
unit
like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have also decided to make 
it

available to others who might need it.

As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am asking 
for

additional ideas for features.

Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s) Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet Static IP with subnet and
gateway Programmable ping monitor for each relay Selectable 'keep alive' 
/

'I am here' ping Adjustable power off delay Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change Programmable, 
repeatable

by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic synchronization with 
a

time server and might increase the costs)

One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing and
considerable legal liability.

The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-10 Thread Tom DeReggi


Although, in defence of TV

MY 9 year old son probably has learned more from Discovery Channel, History 
Channel, Sesame street (early years), and Animal Planet, than I learned in 
High school growing up.


So although I argue that TV is not in the class of necessity, consumers may 
be at a significant economic / educational disadvantage without it.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot


DLinks POE kits take 5 volts, bump it up to 48 across the wire and drop it 
back down to 5 volts at the other end. They list for about $25, so I 
wouldn't think it should cost you too much to do.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

John, I have considered it.  My only concern was that it might increase 
the final cost.  I will take another look at it.


Maybe where it can 'vampire' it's power off one of the switched circuits 
if the switched circuit is 48V POE?


The only bad thing about that is it will still require a 10/100 network 
switch or such to connect it's communication port.




John Thomas wrote:

Blair, it might be a good idea to allow for 48 v powering, since that is 
802.3af POE standard. This way your device could be mounted away from 
the Radio if one so chose to.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that will do 
what I need and fit in the space allowed.


The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand for a 
unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have also decided 
to make it available to others who might need it.


As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am asking 
for additional ideas for features.


Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic synchronization 
with a time server and might increase the costs)


One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing and 
considerable legal liability.


The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
The nighthawk units are NICE units, and can easily be justified cost wise 
for MTU unattended sites, but their are still two deficiencies.


1) They are MANUAL reboot devices.  I can't automate the process to detect 
failure and auto-reboot easilly.


   Well actually I could partially, if I tried hard enough, but an 
auto-ping, that actually tests THROUGH the CPE operating on the CPE side is 
a better method. The purpose is not only to prevent truck rolls, but 
optimally to reduce phone tech support resources as well, not to mention 
repair time.  Auto-ping can get the detection/repair time down to 1 minute, 
often hiding from the customer that a down time insodent ever occurred in 
the first place.


2) Nighthawks need to be pre-programed for the user's area (I think zip 
code, but much narrower than area code) before it ships, and it can not be 
changed after the fact.  My network covers MANY zip codes in the three 
states I serve.  That means stocking an awful lot of reboot devices that you 
may never need, or ordering them individually which could mean a seperate 
trip might be needed to install the reboot device, in order to not delay 
scheduled installtions.


If I could stock 10 or so, and change the usage area of the device myself on 
the fly, well it would strongly increase its value as a product.


$185, is justifyable for Unattended MTU building closets that serve multiple 
clients, or really far away sites, but its still a little high for wide 
scale usage for every CPE location.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Joel White [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:49 PM
Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot



Marlon and all,

I just wanted to pass on the below E-mail that we received regarding the
Nighthawk NH100, and special limited time pricing. This may be a good time 
for

you to spend less on Margaritas and a little on the remote reboot;0

I don't often get to add much value to this list, but hopefully I can this 
time.


Best Regards,

Joel


Sent: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:08:46 EST
Subject: NIGHTHAWK PILOT PROGRAM OFFER

Nighthawk Systems, Inc is offering a pilot program with the CEO 700 and 
CEO

700H's. Customers will receive a minimum of 10 units to use for a pilot
program not to exceed 45 days. After 30 - 45 days the customer(s) can 
decide

to purchase the units or send them back to Nighthawk Systems, Inc. In most
cases we can ship units within 7 days.



We are also offering the NH100's at $185/unit for those customers that 
take

delivery prior to December 31st. Our normal price on the NH100's is $225 -
$325. NH100's are great applications for rebooting servers and routers in 
any

data or telecom room along with rebooting SCADA systems.



The EA1 which is used for alerting Volunteer Fire Houses and Fire Fighters 
is

also being discounted.



Check out all of our products @: www.nighthawksystems.com.



Best regards,



Jeff Bell

Vice President

Nighthawk Systems, Inc.

8200 East Pacific Place

Ste 204

Denver, CO 80231

720-470-4090


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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:36:45 -0800
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
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It's not ip based (which is good when your system is down :-).  This is 
pager

based.

When we get some extra funds this is the kind of gear we'll put in.

http://www.nighthawksystems.com/

laters,
Marlon
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(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread John Thomas
Blair, it might be a good idea to allow for 48 v powering, since that is 
802.3af POE standard. This way your device could be mounted away from 
the Radio if one so chose to.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that will 
do what I need and fit in the space allowed.


The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand for 
a unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have also 
decided to make it available to others who might need it.


As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am 
asking for additional ideas for features.


Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic synchronization 
with a time server and might increase the costs)


One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing and 
considerable legal liability.


The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread Tom DeReggi

Sounds good. Let me know when you get em made!

I like the idea of DC reboot devices over AC reboot devices anyway. 

 
Tom DeReggi

RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot


Blair, it might be a good idea to allow for 48 v powering, since that is 
802.3af POE standard. This way your device could be mounted away from 
the Radio if one so chose to.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that will 
do what I need and fit in the space allowed.


The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand for 
a unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have also 
decided to make it available to others who might need it.


As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am 
asking for additional ideas for features.


Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic synchronization 
with a time server and might increase the costs)


One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing and 
considerable legal liability.


The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

--

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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread Blair Davis

Very nice.  $695?!?!

I might be able to justify it in a few locations, but not for wide 
deployment.


We are looking for something we can deploy widely

Sub $100 price.  Sub $70 if I can manage it

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Blair

I think this will do what you need tell them Tony front Demarc sent you:
http://www.remotedatacom.com/pages/KABU.html 


Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-244-9068 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that will do what
I need and fit in the space allowed.

The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand for a unit
like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have also decided to make it
available to others who might need it.

As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am asking for
additional ideas for features.

Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s) Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet Static IP with subnet and
gateway Programmable ping monitor for each relay Selectable 'keep alive'  /
'I am here' ping Adjustable power off delay Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change Programmable, repeatable
by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic synchronization with a
time server and might increase the costs)

One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing and
considerable legal liability.

The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

--

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West Michigan Wireless ISP
269-686-8648










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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread Ron Wallace
Yes, Blair

That does sound good, let us all know.  I second the vote for DC reboot 
devices.

 Original message 
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:49:43 -0500
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot  
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Sounds good. Let me know when you get em made!

I like the idea of DC reboot devices over AC reboot devices anyway. 

  
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot


 Blair, it might be a good idea to allow for 48 v powering, since 
that is 
 802.3af POE standard. This way your device could be mounted away 
from 
 the Radio if one so chose to.
 
 John
 
 Blair Davis wrote:
 
 Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that 
will 
 do what I need and fit in the space allowed.

 The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand 
for 
 a unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have also 
 decided to make it available to others who might need it.

 As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am 
 asking for additional ideas for features.

 Specs:

 Hardware

 10baseT ethernet port for communication.
 1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
 Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
 Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
 Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
 Unit powered via 5-12VDC

 Software

 Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
 Static IP with subnet and gateway
 Programmable ping monitor for each relay
 Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
 Adjustable power off delay
 Adjustable power off time

 Several things I am undecided about adding are:

 Email notification of ping failure
 Email notification of power available status change
 Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
(this requires a real time clock and/or automatic 
synchronization 
 with a time server and might increase the costs)

 One thing I will not add:

 Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing 
and 
 considerable legal liability.

 The price should be under $100 each.

 Questions?

 Comments?

 Interest?

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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread John Thomas
DLinks POE kits take 5 volts, bump it up to 48 across the wire and drop 
it back down to 5 volts at the other end. They list for about $25, so I 
wouldn't think it should cost you too much to do.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

John, I have considered it.  My only concern was that it might 
increase the final cost.  I will take another look at it.


Maybe where it can 'vampire' it's power off one of the switched 
circuits if the switched circuit is 48V POE?


The only bad thing about that is it will still require a 10/100 
network switch or such to connect it's communication port.




John Thomas wrote:

Blair, it might be a good idea to allow for 48 v powering, since that 
is 802.3af POE standard. This way your device could be mounted away 
from the Radio if one so chose to.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that will 
do what I need and fit in the space allowed.


The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand 
for a unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have also 
decided to make it available to others who might need it.


As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am 
asking for additional ideas for features.


Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic synchronization 
with a time server and might increase the costs)


One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing 
and considerable legal liability.


The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread A. Huppenthal

let me know where you get them for $25

John Thomas wrote:

DLinks POE kits take 5 volts, bump it up to 48 across the wire and 
drop it back down to 5 volts at the other end. They list for about 
$25, so I wouldn't think it should cost you too much to do.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

John, I have considered it.  My only concern was that it might 
increase the final cost.  I will take another look at it.


Maybe where it can 'vampire' it's power off one of the switched 
circuits if the switched circuit is 48V POE?


The only bad thing about that is it will still require a 10/100 
network switch or such to connect it's communication port.




John Thomas wrote:

Blair, it might be a good idea to allow for 48 v powering, since 
that is 802.3af POE standard. This way your device could be mounted 
away from the Radio if one so chose to.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that 
will do what I need and fit in the space allowed.


The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand 
for a unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have also 
decided to make it available to others who might need it.


As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am 
asking for additional ideas for features.


Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic 
synchronization with a time server and might increase the costs)


One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing 
and considerable legal liability.


The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread John Thomas
OK, I exaggerated, compuplus has them for $36 each. My point was that he 
only needs half the circuit. Now that I think of it, I guess that as 
long as his device takes 5-12 volts in, you would only need a power 
reducer to use 48 volts up. It's a lot easir to get 48 volts to go 300 
feet than it is to get 5-12 volts 300 feet.


John

A. Huppenthal wrote:


let me know where you get them for $25

John Thomas wrote:

DLinks POE kits take 5 volts, bump it up to 48 across the wire and 
drop it back down to 5 volts at the other end. They list for about 
$25, so I wouldn't think it should cost you too much to do.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

John, I have considered it.  My only concern was that it might 
increase the final cost.  I will take another look at it.


Maybe where it can 'vampire' it's power off one of the switched 
circuits if the switched circuit is 48V POE?


The only bad thing about that is it will still require a 10/100 
network switch or such to connect it's communication port.




John Thomas wrote:

Blair, it might be a good idea to allow for 48 v powering, since 
that is 802.3af POE standard. This way your device could be mounted 
away from the Radio if one so chose to.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that 
will do what I need and fit in the space allowed.


The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand 
for a unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have 
also decided to make it available to others who might need it.


As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am 
asking for additional ideas for features.


Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic 
synchronization with a time server and might increase the costs)


One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing 
and considerable legal liability.


The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

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West Michigan Wireless ISP
269-686-8648













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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread A. Huppenthal

That's a good price. I paid nearly $50 each.


John Thomas wrote:

Actually, Online Micro has the DWL-P200 for $30 and it can do 5 or 12 
volts out the back.


John

A. Huppenthal wrote:


let me know where you get them for $25

John Thomas wrote:

DLinks POE kits take 5 volts, bump it up to 48 across the wire and 
drop it back down to 5 volts at the other end. They list for about 
$25, so I wouldn't think it should cost you too much to do.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

John, I have considered it.  My only concern was that it might 
increase the final cost.  I will take another look at it.


Maybe where it can 'vampire' it's power off one of the switched 
circuits if the switched circuit is 48V POE?


The only bad thing about that is it will still require a 10/100 
network switch or such to connect it's communication port.




John Thomas wrote:

Blair, it might be a good idea to allow for 48 v powering, since 
that is 802.3af POE standard. This way your device could be 
mounted away from the Radio if one so chose to.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that 
will do what I need and fit in the space allowed.


The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand 
for a unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have 
also decided to make it available to others who might need it.


As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am 
asking for additional ideas for features.


Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic 
synchronization with a time server and might increase the costs)


One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for 
testing and considerable legal liability.


The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

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West Michigan Wireless ISP
269-686-8648















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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread Blair Davis
Not quite.  The D-Link POE kit has a 48VDC power block with a DC-DC step 
down unit at the other end.


$25 doesn't sound too bad until you see the current hardware budget.  :(

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John Thomas wrote:

DLinks POE kits take 5 volts, bump it up to 48 across the wire and 
drop it back down to 5 volts at the other end. They list for about 
$25, so I wouldn't think it should cost you too much to do.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

John, I have considered it.  My only concern was that it might 
increase the final cost.  I will take another look at it.


Maybe where it can 'vampire' it's power off one of the switched 
circuits if the switched circuit is 48V POE?


The only bad thing about that is it will still require a 10/100 
network switch or such to connect it's communication port.




John Thomas wrote:

Blair, it might be a good idea to allow for 48 v powering, since 
that is 802.3af POE standard. This way your device could be mounted 
away from the Radio if one so chose to.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that 
will do what I need and fit in the space allowed.


The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand 
for a unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have also 
decided to make it available to others who might need it.


As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am 
asking for additional ideas for features.


Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic 
synchronization with a time server and might increase the costs)


One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing 
and considerable legal liability.


The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

--

Blair Davis
West Michigan Wireless ISP
269-686-8648










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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread Blair Davis
We get them from DH for less than $30 but I don't remember the exact 
price off hand.


--

A. Huppenthal wrote:


That's a good price. I paid nearly $50 each.


John Thomas wrote:

Actually, Online Micro has the DWL-P200 for $30 and it can do 5 or 12 
volts out the back.


John

A. Huppenthal wrote:


let me know where you get them for $25

John Thomas wrote:

DLinks POE kits take 5 volts, bump it up to 48 across the wire and 
drop it back down to 5 volts at the other end. They list for about 
$25, so I wouldn't think it should cost you too much to do.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

John, I have considered it.  My only concern was that it might 
increase the final cost.  I will take another look at it.


Maybe where it can 'vampire' it's power off one of the switched 
circuits if the switched circuit is 48V POE?


The only bad thing about that is it will still require a 10/100 
network switch or such to connect it's communication port.




John Thomas wrote:

Blair, it might be a good idea to allow for 48 v powering, since 
that is 802.3af POE standard. This way your device could be 
mounted away from the Radio if one so chose to.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that 
will do what I need and fit in the space allowed.


The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a 
demand for a unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I 
have also decided to make it available to others who might need it.


As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am 
asking for additional ideas for features.


Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic 
synchronization with a time server and might increase the costs)


One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for 
testing and considerable legal liability.


The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

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West Michigan Wireless ISP
269-686-8648
















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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-09 Thread John Thomas
Right, my point here is that you don't need to do anything to make your 
system work with 48 volts. We just need to acquire a 48-12 volt convertor.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

Not quite.  The D-Link POE kit has a 48VDC power block with a DC-DC 
step down unit at the other end.


$25 doesn't sound too bad until you see the current hardware budget.  :(

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John Thomas wrote:

DLinks POE kits take 5 volts, bump it up to 48 across the wire and 
drop it back down to 5 volts at the other end. They list for about 
$25, so I wouldn't think it should cost you too much to do.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

John, I have considered it.  My only concern was that it might 
increase the final cost.  I will take another look at it.


Maybe where it can 'vampire' it's power off one of the switched 
circuits if the switched circuit is 48V POE?


The only bad thing about that is it will still require a 10/100 
network switch or such to connect it's communication port.




John Thomas wrote:

Blair, it might be a good idea to allow for 48 v powering, since 
that is 802.3af POE standard. This way your device could be mounted 
away from the Radio if one so chose to.


John

Blair Davis wrote:

Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that 
will do what I need and fit in the space allowed.


The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand 
for a unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have 
also decided to make it available to others who might need it.


As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am 
asking for additional ideas for features.


Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic 
synchronization with a time server and might increase the costs)


One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing 
and considerable legal liability.


The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
Finding the relays to switch the DC on/off is the easy part, the hard part 
is how the relays will be told when to switch on and off.


You could always use the serial port on a Mikrotik or RAP board, but an 
application would need to be installed on the OS, that does not allow third 
party applications installed.


You hit on a very weak part of this industry. A reliable and inexpensive 
solution is only as reliable as the weakest and most expensive equipment 
required to complete the total solution.


The concept of a relay is simple, but the whole package is needed.  Right 
now we have $200-$300 ethernet manual switch devices, and $150-$250 
auto-ping reboot devices, and $200-$300 smart power monitoring UPS, but 
really you need to buy one of each for every install to have a complete 
solution.


All it takes is a small Linux app on Mikrotik and a $8 relay and all a 
sudden the solution opens up the door to a whole new level of reliabilty for 
WISPs.


The need

1) UPS - that does NOT force AC power off on battery failure. I shouldn't 
have down time when a battery fails, I should have an alert.  All fuses 
should be time based auto-resetting fuse to prevent truck rolls to press a 
fuse reset.


2) UPS - remote monitoring - Need to alert us when power has failed. Need to 
alert us and/or log when a severe surge or drop has occurred (for 
troubleshooting reasons for radio lockups).


3) UPS regulated power, to make sure clean constant power is delivered to 
the Radio, not just battery backup on power outage.


4) Manual remote reboot - via Ethernet I must be able to cycle power on 
devices connected to correct error conditions where the link is up and 
reboot device accessable.


5) Auto ping reboot - ability to reboot failed links, when the link is not 
up and reboot device not remote accessable.


6) Option to support 1 to 8 relays.

7) Flexible configuration of unit, so easy config of IP configuration. (not 
DHCP). Preferrably with support for two IP from seperate subnets, so reboot 
device can be accessable from redundant link paths.


8) Price under $100.

The problem is that today there are two seperate devices, 1) remote reboot 
technology and 2) UPS.  They should be one and the same. to reduce duplicacy 
of hardware and management. Its logical that one device

be used to control these similar power related components.

In the case that the two components must stay seperate because the 
manufacturers in this industry just don't get it, then each of the two 
components need to be complete in there responsibilities for the solution. 
You brought up a good popint that really all WISPs need is a DC solution 
instead of a AC solution. But then the solution should be easilly integrated 
into the power injection system.  Easy connector blocks for the DC power 
supply wires to interconnect with and/or CAT5 wiring to connect with.


The problem is that companies like APC break components into two clasess 
HIGH end and low end, but not something right in the middle. The solution 
needs to allow for a UPS/Reboot device to be installed at EVERY subscriber 
site.  That means under $100.  We can't justify UPS SMART models at  $400 a 
pop. Today the only UPS models supported by Linux by APC is the expensive 
SMART series! APC needs to understand the need for Linux support on their 
desktop model units.


I'd like to see Stations-server and Mikrotik rise to the occasion to include 
a application on their OS to control these DC relays for auto-ping radio 
rebooting.


The first step to this was the new Smart POE VLAN Ethernet switches. It 
allows the manual rebooting of devices, but not necessarilly all the other 
needed things like auto-ping, or support for multiple voltages not 802.3af 
compliant.


The $80 Home APC, looked like a good first start for APC, but its clearly 
meant for home use, not a carrier's use for subscriber units.


Unless a UPS gives increased value add other than power outage backup, I 
believe the UPS becomes more of a liability than an advantage. It means a 
truck roll to replace batteries every year or two, and an added non-planned 
outage every one or two years.


Just my two sense on Power systems.  Don't forget to vent to your UPS 
manuafacturer, so they are aware of the market need for CPE power solutions.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot


A lot of things here that I have seen, some I have not.  Some I use 
already.


Thanks for the ideas.

However, the main issue is space..

The box that all my gear must fit in at this location is 12x12x6.

In that space, I already have a WRAP 2C, an OR-500 and a 5 port switch

And while I can live with switching AC, I'd much prefer a simple set of 
relay contacts.


If I have to build my own, I

Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-08 Thread Blair Davis
Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that will do 
what I need and fit in the space allowed.


The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand for a 
unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have also decided to 
make it available to others who might need it.


As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am asking 
for additional ideas for features.


Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic synchronization 
with a time server and might increase the costs)


One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing and 
considerable legal liability.


The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

--

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West Michigan Wireless ISP
269-686-8648










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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-08 Thread Blair Davis

Nice!  But, $299?!?  Just a little higher price that we want when we
plan to install quite a few of them.

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G.Villarini wrote:


I got you one!, get an ip based webcam like this one:

http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0pid=17

thay have a dry contact switch controllable trough the web page

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
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Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that will do 
what I need and fit in the space allowed.


The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand for a 
unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have also decided to 
make it available to others who might need it.


As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am asking 
for additional ideas for features.


Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
   (this requires a real time clock and/or automatic synchronization 
with a time server and might increase the costs)


One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing and 
considerable legal liability.


The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

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RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-07 Thread G.Villarini
Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet port
for remote reboot ... $80

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Hi all.

I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.

It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a 
relay off or on remotely

Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!

Any ideas?


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RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-07 Thread la

Not the cheapest, but they're really nice:

http://www.wti.com

I've used and installed them for many years.

Thank you

Frank Keeney
Pasadena Networks, LLC
Antennas, Cables and Equipment:
http://www.wlanparts.com

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 Hi all.
 
 I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.
 
 It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able 
 to turn a 
 relay off or on remotely
 
 Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!
 
 Any ideas?
 
 

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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-07 Thread Tom DeReggi

Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80?

Tom DeReggi
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Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet 
port

for remote reboot ... $80

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Hi all.

I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.

It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a
relay off or on remotely

Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!

Any ideas?


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RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-07 Thread G.Villarini
http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3

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Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80?

Tom DeReggi
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 Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet 
 port
 for remote reboot ... $80

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 Hi all.

 I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.

 It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a
 relay off or on remotely

 Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!

 Any ideas?


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RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-07 Thread Rick Harnish
We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower
sites.  The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet and
default gateway.  You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those key
routing numbers inserted.  I like the size and the price is right, I guess
for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features.

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http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3

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Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80?

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 Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet 
 port
 for remote reboot ... $80

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 Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

 Hi all.

 I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.

 It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a
 relay off or on remotely

 Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!

 Any ideas?


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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-07 Thread Tom DeReggi

Thanks thats good to know. Since we don't run DHCP anywhere.
Based on that, probably only good as a home unit, thats behind a home 
gateway w/ DHCP.


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We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower
sites.  The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet 
and
default gateway.  You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those 
key

routing numbers inserted.  I like the size and the price is right, I guess
for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features.

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
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www.oibw.net
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http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3

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Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80?

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Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet
port
for remote reboot ... $80

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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

Hi all.

I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.

It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a
relay off or on remotely

Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!

Any ideas?


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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-07 Thread Blair Davis

A lot of things here that I have seen, some I have not.  Some I use already.

Thanks for the ideas.

However, the main issue is space..

The box that all my gear must fit in at this location is 12x12x6.

In that space, I already have a WRAP 2C, an OR-500 and a 5 port switch

And while I can live with switching AC, I'd much prefer a simple set of 
relay contacts.


If I have to build my own, I will.

But I was hoping someone had already done it...

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Rick Harnish wrote:


We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower
sites.  The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet and
default gateway.  You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those key
routing numbers inserted.  I like the size and the price is right, I guess
for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features.

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
260-918-4340 VoIP
www.oibw.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 



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http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3

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Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80?

Tom DeReggi
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Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet 
port

for remote reboot ... $80

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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

Hi all.

I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.

It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a
relay off or on remotely

Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!

Any ideas?


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RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-07 Thread JNA


Rick,

I just looked at the pdf manual

 http://sturgeon.apcc.com/techref.nsf/partnum/990-9234/$FILE/990-9234_EN.pdf

#9 shows you how to set a static ip if no DHCP server is available.

Thought you might want to know.

John Buwa

 
 We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower
 sites.  The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet
 and
 default gateway.  You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those
 key
 routing numbers inserted.  I like the size and the price is right, I guess
 for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features.
 
 Rick Harnish
 President
 OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
 260-827-2482 Office
 260-307-4000 Cell
 260-918-4340 VoIP
 www.oibw.net
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 http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3
 
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 Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80?
 
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 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
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  Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet
  port
  for remote reboot ... $80
 
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  Hi all.
 
  I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.
 
  It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a
  relay off or on remotely
 
  Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!
 
  Any ideas?
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-07 Thread Blair Davis

It will let you set an IP address.

You can't set a gateway or subnet mask

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JNA wrote:


Rick,

I just looked at the pdf manual

http://sturgeon.apcc.com/techref.nsf/partnum/990-9234/$FILE/990-9234_EN.pdf

#9 shows you how to set a static ip if no DHCP server is available.

Thought you might want to know.

John Buwa


 


We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower
sites.  The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet
and
default gateway.  You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those
key
routing numbers inserted.  I like the size and the price is right, I guess
for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features.

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
260-918-4340 VoIP
www.oibw.net
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http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3

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Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80?

Tom DeReggi
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Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet
port
for remote reboot ... $80

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Hi all.

I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.

It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a
relay off or on remotely

Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!

Any ideas?


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Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-07 Thread Chuck Profito
Try this, all our towers have this installed, it even pings for an auto 
reboot, $300 is cheep !

http://www.corpsys.com/store/prodinfo.asp?number=EPCRvariation=aitem=3mitem=20

Chuck Profito
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Thanks thats good to know. Since we don't run DHCP anywhere.
Based on that, probably only good as a home unit, thats behind a home 
gateway w/ DHCP.


Tom DeReggi
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We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower
sites.  The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet 
and
default gateway.  You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those 
key
routing numbers inserted.  I like the size and the price is right, I 
guess

for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features.

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
260-918-4340 VoIP
www.oibw.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3

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787.767.7466
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Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80?

Tom DeReggi
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Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet
port
for remote reboot ... $80

Gino A. Villarini,
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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

Hi all.

I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.

It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a
relay off or on remotely

Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!

Any ideas?


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AOL IM Screen Name --  Theory240

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RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

2005-11-07 Thread JNA
Ah got it. Ok that's stupid, lol.

John Buwa


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 Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:00 PM
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 It will let you set an IP address.
 
 You can't set a gateway or subnet mask
 
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 Blair Davis
 West Michigan Wireless ISP
 
 
 JNA wrote:
 
 Rick,
 
 I just looked at the pdf manual
 
  http://sturgeon.apcc.com/techref.nsf/partnum/990-9234/$FILE/990-
 9234_EN.pdf
 
 #9 shows you how to set a static ip if no DHCP server is available.
 
 Thought you might want to know.
 
 John Buwa
 
 
 
 
 We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower
 sites.  The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet
 and
 default gateway.  You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those
 key
 routing numbers inserted.  I like the size and the price is right, I
 guess
 for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features.
 
 Rick Harnish
 President
 OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
 260-827-2482 Office
 260-307-4000 Cell
 260-918-4340 VoIP
 www.oibw.net
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of G.Villarini
 Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:04 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
 
 http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3
 
 Gino A. Villarini,
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 www.aeronetpr.com
 787.767.7466
 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:02 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
 
 Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80?
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
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 Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet
 port
 for remote reboot ... $80
 
 Gino A. Villarini,
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 www.aeronetpr.com
 787.767.7466
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 Behalf Of Blair Davis
 Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
 
 Hi all.
 
 I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.
 
 It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a
 relay off or on remotely
 
 Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!
 
 Any ideas?
 
 
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 AOL IM Screen Name --  Theory240
 
 West Michigan Wireless ISP
 269-686-8648
 
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