Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-29 Thread Blair Davis




Always! I go get a GPS reading and take a look at the location before
I try to plot it out

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

  I've used Topo USA quite a bit.

But in the end, going to the site is the best way.  We've made links work 
that I'd have sworn didn't stand a chance.  And others that should be a slam 
dunk work like crap.

Feet on the ground.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" robert.w...@just-micro.com
To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:23 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Link Planning Software


  
  
What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't 
get
that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in 
Google
Earth.  Sucks.

Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
rather be told what's good by real users.

Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-28 Thread David E. Smith
Brian Webster wrote:
 When you map is displayed the way you want it to look, do a control c 
 then control v and save the new image created as whatever you want to 
 call it, that will make the units stay within the image. Copy and paste 
 as new map from the menu also works.

That may not be the most intuitive way to do it, but it works. Thanks!

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've used Topo USA quite a bit.

But in the end, going to the site is the best way.  We've made links work 
that I'd have sworn didn't stand a chance.  And others that should be a slam 
dunk work like crap.

Feet on the ground.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:23 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Link Planning Software


 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't 
 get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in 
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Actually for most of that Jerry helped me.

I certainly agree that RM is very powerful but it's a POS from a usability 
standpoint.  If it were cleaned up and made easier to use I'd have dropped 
the better part of $500 on it.  Software that'll do what it does that's as 
easy to figure out as TopoUSA or any linksys router would be a no brainer 
here.

Brian helps me with Census tract stuff mostly.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software


 Marlon used Brian Webster.

 Chuck

 On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

 Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile
 John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what
 you
 are looking for.
 Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few
 months ago.  I don't remember who.
 I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list.

 Robert West wrote:
 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing
 and now
 here it is.

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the
 internet, yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field
 trying to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that
 I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to
 figure it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see
 how a link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or
 so up and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but
 the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you
 could set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern
 Ohio, all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you
 tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add
 that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of
 various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya
 think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at
 UNC Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the
 semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the
 community at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects,
 it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community.
 So, if you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a
 tool, lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design,
 or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to
 offer you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:


 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before
 you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I
 can't

 get

 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've
 been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link
 in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give
 me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic
 and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap
 software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-28 Thread Chuck Bartosch

On Sep 28, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

 Actually for most of that Jerry helped me.

Yep, Jerry corrected that comment already.

Chuck


 I certainly agree that RM is very powerful but it's a POS from a  
 usability
 standpoint.  If it were cleaned up and made easier to use I'd have  
 dropped
 the better part of $500 on it.  Software that'll do what it does  
 that's as
 easy to figure out as TopoUSA or any linksys router would be a no  
 brainer
 here.

 Brian helps me with Census tract stuff mostly.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software


 Marlon used Brian Webster.

 Chuck

 On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

 Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile
 John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what
 you
 are looking for.
 Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few
 months ago.  I don't remember who.
 I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list.

 Robert West wrote:
 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing
 and now
 here it is.

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the
 internet, yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field
 trying to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that
 I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to
 figure it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see
 how a link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or
 so up and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but
 the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you
 could set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern
 Ohio, all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If  
 the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you
 tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add
 that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of
 various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya
 think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at
 UNC Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a  
 semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the
 semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the
 community at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects,
 it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community.
 So, if you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a
 tool, lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design,
 or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to
 offer you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:


 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before
 you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I
 can't

 get

 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've
 been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link
 in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give
 me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic
 and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap
 software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-28 Thread Mike
... and a flashing light hooked to a Digital Loggers switch on the 
tower for sunset site surveys. :-)


 a 
light: 
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200365214_200365214
 a 24 volt power supply: 
http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/se-450-24.shtml
 a Digital Loggers IP switch: http://digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
 spare CAT5 on the tower, 2 pairs positive, 2 pairs negative
 200' CAT5 we use has about 12V drop so the light gets 12V


At 02:10 PM 9/27/2009, Marlon wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-26 Thread Scott Reed
Come on Biran, that is way too easy.  Would would think to do that?
Is there anything Roger hasn't put in that program?

Brian Webster wrote:
 When you map is displayed the way you want it to look, do a control c 
 then control v and save the new image created as whatever you want to 
 call it, that will make the units stay within the image. Copy and 
 paste as new map from the menu also works.


 Thank You,
 Brian Webster



 David E. Smith wrote:
 Since we're sorta turning this into a general Radio Mobile questions 
 thread...

 Anyone know how to tell Radio Mobile, when you save a map, to save units 
 as drawn on the map, as part of the picture?

 When you look at a map on-screen, you can have it overlay units on the 
 map. When you save the map, though, it doesn't save those units as part 
 of the picture. If you're making a small map, you can easily work around 
 that by just taking a screenshot (and then cropping out the GUI stuff), 
 but if your map is bigger than the screen, you either have to go without 
 or take several screenshots and later stitch them together.

 Since Radio Mobile is pretty awesome at so many other things, I'm 
 assuming there's an option for this and I'm just not sure what it's called.

 Thanks!

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
I'll shoot him an email.  Thanks!


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Why not contract with Brian Webster for a couple of hours. He's a true  
expert with the software and it won't take much for him to help you  
through the rough patches...and probably show you tricks you'd never  
figure out on your own.

His contact info is:

Brian Webster
(607) 286-3465 work
(607) 435-3988 cell
bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com

Chuck

On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Robert West wrote:

 You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone  
 says it's
 easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you  
 also
 have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat  
 and the
 wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried  
 it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before  
 you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I  
 can't
 get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've  
 been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.

 Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
 tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
 trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
 only have to do that once.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net




 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
Okay, but where am I getting the rmpatheng.exe rmweng.exe and rmweng.hlp
files?  The archive only has the various language update files.  I copied
the English updater file though and ran that one. 

Thanks!  I'll try it.  Took me a whole 3 hours from start to get to this
point with all the interruptions.  That's my biggest issue!



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Crash course:

First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile
Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe:
http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html
Once installed (leave program closed) download
http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip 
Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite):
- rmpatheng.exe
- rmUpdateeng.exe
- rmweng.exe
- rmweng.hlp

Run rmUpdateeng.exe

This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc
installed.

Open RM (rmweng.exe) 
Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM
- Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and
leep a local copy
- Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X
- Close this window

Now you are ready to start using RM

Go to File -- New Networks
- New Net initialization
- Use default values
- OK

Go to File -- Map Properties
- Elevation data source SRTM 
- Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm
- Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map
- Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started)
- Set size to 50km high
- Click Extract

Go to Edit -- Merge
- Choose Internet MapPoint
- Draw

you should end up with a map that has terrain data.

now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point.






-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
the thing??


I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
STILL up?!


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do
that it will gel.

Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)


From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says it's
easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the
wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
Google
 Earth.

Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
only have to do that once.)

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the
correct one?  I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I
gave it up.  I can't find it on their maps anywhere.  I'm in Ohio, by the
way.

Thanks!

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Crash course:

First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile
Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe:
http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html
Once installed (leave program closed) download
http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip 
Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite):
- rmpatheng.exe
- rmUpdateeng.exe
- rmweng.exe
- rmweng.hlp

Run rmUpdateeng.exe

This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc
installed.

Open RM (rmweng.exe) 
Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM
- Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and
leep a local copy
- Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X
- Close this window

Now you are ready to start using RM

Go to File -- New Networks
- New Net initialization
- Use default values
- OK

Go to File -- Map Properties
- Elevation data source SRTM 
- Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm
- Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map
- Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started)
- Set size to 50km high
- Click Extract

Go to Edit -- Merge
- Choose Internet MapPoint
- Draw

you should end up with a map that has terrain data.

now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point.






-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
the thing??


I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
STILL up?!


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do
that it will gel.

Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)


From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says it's
easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the
wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
Google
 Earth.

Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
only have to do that once.)

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM1/


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the
 correct one?  I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I
 gave it up.  I can't find it on their maps anywhere.  I'm in Ohio, by the
 way.

 Thanks!

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Crash course:

 First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile
 Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe:
 http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html
 Once installed (leave program closed) download
 http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip
 Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder 
 (overwrite):
 - rmpatheng.exe
 - rmUpdateeng.exe
 - rmweng.exe
 - rmweng.hlp

 Run rmUpdateeng.exe

 This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc
 installed.

 Open RM (rmweng.exe)
 Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM
 - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and
 leep a local copy
 - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X
 - Close this window

 Now you are ready to start using RM

 Go to File -- New Networks
 - New Net initialization
 - Use default values
 - OK

 Go to File -- Map Properties
 - Elevation data source SRTM
 - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm
 - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map
 - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started)
 - Set size to 50km high
 - Click Extract

 Go to Edit -- Merge
 - Choose Internet MapPoint
 - Draw

 you should end up with a map that has terrain data.

 now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point.






 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
 place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
 the thing??


 I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
 STILL up?!


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you 
 do
 that it will gel.

 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications
 Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)

 
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says 
 it's
 easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
 have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and 
 the
 wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you 
 plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.

 Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
 tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
 trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
 only have to do that once.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I Googled for SRTM, went to the first link and followed the instructions on 
how to download, which has the region map.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the
 correct one?  I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I
 gave it up.  I can't find it on their maps anywhere.  I'm in Ohio, by the
 way.

 Thanks!

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Crash course:

 First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile
 Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe:
 http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html
 Once installed (leave program closed) download
 http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip
 Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder 
 (overwrite):
 - rmpatheng.exe
 - rmUpdateeng.exe
 - rmweng.exe
 - rmweng.hlp

 Run rmUpdateeng.exe

 This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc
 installed.

 Open RM (rmweng.exe)
 Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM
 - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and
 leep a local copy
 - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X
 - Close this window

 Now you are ready to start using RM

 Go to File -- New Networks
 - New Net initialization
 - Use default values
 - OK

 Go to File -- Map Properties
 - Elevation data source SRTM
 - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm
 - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map
 - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started)
 - Set size to 50km high
 - Click Extract

 Go to Edit -- Merge
 - Choose Internet MapPoint
 - Draw

 you should end up with a map that has terrain data.

 now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point.






 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
 place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
 the thing??


 I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
 STILL up?!


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you 
 do
 that it will gel.

 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications
 Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)

 
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says 
 it's
 easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
 have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and 
 the
 wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you 
 plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.

 Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
 tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
 trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
 only have to do that once.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Jerry Richardson
http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:07 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the
correct one?  I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I
gave it up.  I can't find it on their maps anywhere.  I'm in Ohio, by the
way.

Thanks!

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Crash course:

First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile
Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe:
http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html
Once installed (leave program closed) download
http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip 
Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite):
- rmpatheng.exe
- rmUpdateeng.exe
- rmweng.exe
- rmweng.hlp

Run rmUpdateeng.exe

This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc
installed.

Open RM (rmweng.exe) 
Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM
- Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and
leep a local copy
- Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X
- Close this window

Now you are ready to start using RM

Go to File -- New Networks
- New Net initialization
- Use default values
- OK

Go to File -- Map Properties
- Elevation data source SRTM 
- Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm
- Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map
- Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started)
- Set size to 50km high
- Click Extract

Go to Edit -- Merge
- Choose Internet MapPoint
- Draw

you should end up with a map that has terrain data.

now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point.






-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
the thing??


I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
STILL up?!


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do
that it will gel.

Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)


From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says it's
easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the
wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
Google
 Earth.

Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
only have to do that once.)

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread David E. Smith
Since we're sorta turning this into a general Radio Mobile questions 
thread...

Anyone know how to tell Radio Mobile, when you save a map, to save units 
as drawn on the map, as part of the picture?

When you look at a map on-screen, you can have it overlay units on the 
map. When you save the map, though, it doesn't save those units as part 
of the picture. If you're making a small map, you can easily work around 
that by just taking a screenshot (and then cropping out the GUI stuff), 
but if your map is bigger than the screen, you either have to go without 
or take several screenshots and later stitch them together.

Since Radio Mobile is pretty awesome at so many other things, I'm 
assuming there's an option for this and I'm just not sure what it's called.

Thanks!

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
Thanks Mike.  They make it so easy, these government operations.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM1/


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the
 correct one?  I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I
 gave it up.  I can't find it on their maps anywhere.  I'm in Ohio, by the
 way.

 Thanks!

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Crash course:

 First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile
 Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe:
 http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html
 Once installed (leave program closed) download
 http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip
 Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder 
 (overwrite):
 - rmpatheng.exe
 - rmUpdateeng.exe
 - rmweng.exe
 - rmweng.hlp

 Run rmUpdateeng.exe

 This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc
 installed.

 Open RM (rmweng.exe)
 Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM
 - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and
 leep a local copy
 - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X
 - Close this window

 Now you are ready to start using RM

 Go to File -- New Networks
 - New Net initialization
 - Use default values
 - OK

 Go to File -- Map Properties
 - Elevation data source SRTM
 - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm
 - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map
 - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started)
 - Set size to 50km high
 - Click Extract

 Go to Edit -- Merge
 - Choose Internet MapPoint
 - Draw

 you should end up with a map that has terrain data.

 now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point.






 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
 place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
 the thing??


 I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
 STILL up?!


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you 
 do
 that it will gel.

 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications
 Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)

 
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says 
 it's
 easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
 have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and 
 the
 wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you 
 plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.

 Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
 tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
 trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
 only have to do that once.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net




 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
Smart ass.

:)


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

I Googled for SRTM, went to the first link and followed the instructions on 
how to download, which has the region map.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the
 correct one?  I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I
 gave it up.  I can't find it on their maps anywhere.  I'm in Ohio, by the
 way.

 Thanks!

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Crash course:

 First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile
 Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe:
 http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html
 Once installed (leave program closed) download
 http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip
 Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder 
 (overwrite):
 - rmpatheng.exe
 - rmUpdateeng.exe
 - rmweng.exe
 - rmweng.hlp

 Run rmUpdateeng.exe

 This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc
 installed.

 Open RM (rmweng.exe)
 Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM
 - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and
 leep a local copy
 - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X
 - Close this window

 Now you are ready to start using RM

 Go to File -- New Networks
 - New Net initialization
 - Use default values
 - OK

 Go to File -- Map Properties
 - Elevation data source SRTM
 - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm
 - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map
 - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started)
 - Set size to 50km high
 - Click Extract

 Go to Edit -- Merge
 - Choose Internet MapPoint
 - Draw

 you should end up with a map that has terrain data.

 now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point.






 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
 place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
 the thing??


 I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
 STILL up?!


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you 
 do
 that it will gel.

 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications
 Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)

 
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says 
 it's
 easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
 have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and 
 the
 wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you 
 plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.

 Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
 tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
 trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
 only have to do that once.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net




 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Scott Reed
On clarification, when you save a map, RM does not save the picture.  
Saving a picture is a separate function.
If you save the picture as a JPG, it also creates a KML file.  While the 
picture does not have the units which you can open the kml in Google 
Earth.  If you have the units there as well, you will get what you are 
looking for.
You may want to join the RM Yahoo group and ask there.  I know there was 
some discussion about this earlier, but I do not remember all that was said.

David E. Smith wrote:
 Since we're sorta turning this into a general Radio Mobile questions 
 thread...

 Anyone know how to tell Radio Mobile, when you save a map, to save units 
 as drawn on the map, as part of the picture?

 When you look at a map on-screen, you can have it overlay units on the 
 map. When you save the map, though, it doesn't save those units as part 
 of the picture. If you're making a small map, you can easily work around 
 that by just taking a screenshot (and then cropping out the GUI stuff), 
 but if your map is bigger than the screen, you either have to go without 
 or take several screenshots and later stitch them together.

 Since Radio Mobile is pretty awesome at so many other things, I'm 
 assuming there's an option for this and I'm just not sure what it's called.

 Thanks!

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Corn and soybeans.


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--
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:32 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 That's a lot of green...where is this?

 On 9/24/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Large green patches wouldn't work here.  From May - September, everything 
 in
 300 miles is green.  ;-)


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 --
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and 
 now
 here it is.

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet,
 yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field trying 
 to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure
 it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a
 link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up
 and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you could 
 set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern Ohio, 
 all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of 
 various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC
 Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, 
 so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the 
 community
 at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd 
 be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if
 you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool,
 lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer
 you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you
 plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me 
 the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and 
 I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. 
 I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Josh Luthman
I actually asked where - not what - but I was under the impression you meant
trees =P

Delorm was pretty good - costly but you can keep the maps locally IIRC.

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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

 Corn and soybeans.


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 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:32 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

  That's a lot of green...where is this?
 
  On 9/24/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
  Large green patches wouldn't work here.  From May - September,
 everything
  in
  300 miles is green.  ;-)
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
  --
  From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:03 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
 
  I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and
  now
  here it is.
 
  Spooky.
 
  Get ready for the list, Shaddi.
 
  For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet,
  yes?
  The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field trying
  to
  figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that I
 see
  myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to
 figure
  it
  out but hey, who knows.
 
  The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a
  link
  over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.
 
  I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so
 up
  and
  the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the
  trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you could
  set
  an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern Ohio,
  all
  the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If the
  software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell
 the
  software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add
 that
  height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of
  various
  antennas and radios to pull from as well.
 
  Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya think?
  I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.
 
 
  You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
  Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
 
  Howdy WISPA!
 
  Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC
  Chapel
  Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
  project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester,
  so
  we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the
  community
  at
  large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd
  be
  great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if
  you
  have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool,
  lessons
  you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or
 the
  concept generally, please contact me.
 
  To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer
  you!
 
  Shaddi
 
  On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
  robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
  What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you
  plan
  the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I
 can't
  get
  that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
  finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
  Google
  Earth.  Sucks.
 
  Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me
  the
  easy thumbs up or thumbs down?
 
  Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and
  I
  just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.
  I'd
  rather be told what's good by real users.
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Ryan Spott
I use National Geographic's Topo! software. It works quite well. Just
toss the contents of the CD-ROM into the same folder as the software
and you don't need the CD-ROM at all.

ryan

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4

 Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile.  Add
 the antenna heights and you should have a real good idea if it will work
 or not.

 I played with Radio Mobile for a long time.  It works, but Delorm is
 faster and eaiser for PtP links.

 Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Why not contract with Brian Webster for a couple of hours. He's a true  
expert with the software and it won't take much for him to help you  
through the rough patches...and probably show you tricks you'd never  
figure out on your own.

His contact info is:

Brian Webster
(607) 286-3465 work
(607) 435-3988 cell
bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com

Chuck

On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Robert West wrote:

 You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone  
 says it's
 easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you  
 also
 have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat  
 and the
 wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried  
 it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before  
 you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I  
 can't
 get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've  
 been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.

 Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
 tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
 trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
 only have to do that once.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Marlon used Brian Webster.

Chuck

On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

 Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile
 John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what  
 you
 are looking for.
 Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few
 months ago.  I don't remember who.
 I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list.

 Robert West wrote:
 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing  
 and now
 here it is.

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the  
 internet, yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field  
 trying to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that  
 I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to  
 figure it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see  
 how a link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or  
 so up and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but  
 the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you  
 could set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern  
 Ohio, all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you  
 tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add  
 that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of  
 various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya  
 think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at  
 UNC Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the  
 semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the  
 community at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects,  
 it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community.  
 So, if you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a  
 tool, lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design,  
 or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to  
 offer you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:


 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before  
 you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I  
 can't

 get

 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've  
 been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link  
 in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give  
 me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic  
 and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap  
 software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



 Organite.  It's not just for breakfast anymore.






 
 

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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Jerry Richardson
Actually, that was me.

Jerry

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Bartosch
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Marlon used Brian Webster.

Chuck

On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

 Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile
 John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what  
 you
 are looking for.
 Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few
 months ago.  I don't remember who.
 I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list.

 Robert West wrote:
 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing  
 and now
 here it is.

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the  
 internet, yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field  
 trying to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that  
 I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to  
 figure it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see  
 how a link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or  
 so up and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but  
 the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you  
 could set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern  
 Ohio, all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you  
 tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add  
 that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of  
 various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya  
 think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at  
 UNC Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the  
 semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the  
 community at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects,  
 it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community.  
 So, if you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a  
 tool, lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design,  
 or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to  
 offer you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:


 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before  
 you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I  
 can't

 get

 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've  
 been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link  
 in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give  
 me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic  
 and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap  
 software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



 Organite.  It's not just for breakfast anymore.






 
 

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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Ah, my apologies! I guess I should have checked that then blush.

Chuck

On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

 Actually, that was me.

 Jerry

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
 Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:14 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Marlon used Brian Webster.

 Chuck

 On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

 Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile
 John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what
 you
 are looking for.
 Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few
 months ago.  I don't remember who.
 I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list.

 Robert West wrote:
 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing
 and now
 here it is.

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the
 internet, yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field
 trying to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that
 I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to
 figure it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see
 how a link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or
 so up and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but
 the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you
 could set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern
 Ohio, all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If  
 the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you
 tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add
 that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of
 various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya
 think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at
 UNC Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the
 semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the
 community at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects,
 it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community.
 So, if you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a
 tool, lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design,
 or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to
 offer you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:


 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before
 you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I
 can't

 get

 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've
 been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link
 in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give
 me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic
 and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap
 software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



 Organite.  It's not just for breakfast anymore.






 
 

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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Jerry Richardson
No worries :-)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Bartosch
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Ah, my apologies! I guess I should have checked that then blush.

Chuck

On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

 Actually, that was me.

 Jerry

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
 Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:14 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Marlon used Brian Webster.

 Chuck

 On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

 Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile
 John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what
 you
 are looking for.
 Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few
 months ago.  I don't remember who.
 I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list.

 Robert West wrote:
 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing
 and now
 here it is.

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the
 internet, yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field
 trying to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that
 I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to
 figure it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see
 how a link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or
 so up and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but
 the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you
 could set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern
 Ohio, all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If  
 the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you
 tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add
 that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of
 various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya
 think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at
 UNC Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the
 semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the
 community at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects,
 it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community.
 So, if you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a
 tool, lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design,
 or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to
 offer you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:


 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before
 you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I
 can't

 get

 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've
 been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link
 in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give
 me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic
 and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap
 software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



 Organite.  It's not just for breakfast anymore.






 
 

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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread RickG
I've done the same for years. The only thing I use RM for is the
backhaul links. -RickG

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4

 Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile.  Add
 the antenna heights and you should have a real good idea if it will work
 or not.

 I played with Radio Mobile for a long time.  It works, but Delorm is
 faster and eaiser for PtP links.

 Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread RickG
I've seen that too. It looked the same as Delorme.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote:
 I use National Geographic's Topo! software. It works quite well. Just
 toss the contents of the CD-ROM into the same folder as the software
 and you don't need the CD-ROM at all.

 ryan

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4

 Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile.  Add
 the antenna heights and you should have a real good idea if it will work
 or not.

 I played with Radio Mobile for a long time.  It works, but Delorm is
 faster and eaiser for PtP links.

 Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Jerry Richardson
For a quick down and dirty is it worth looking into Ligo's new online tool is 
pretty slick.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

I've done the same for years. The only thing I use RM for is the
backhaul links. -RickG

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4

 Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile.  Add
 the antenna heights and you should have a real good idea if it will work
 or not.

 I played with Radio Mobile for a long time.  It works, but Delorm is
 faster and eaiser for PtP links.

 Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread Jerry Richardson
Truth be told, Brian would be a better choice if he has the time. He's spend 
far more time with it that I have.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

No worries :-)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Bartosch
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Ah, my apologies! I guess I should have checked that then blush.

Chuck

On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

 Actually, that was me.

 Jerry

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
 Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:14 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Marlon used Brian Webster.

 Chuck

 On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

 Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile
 John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what
 you
 are looking for.
 Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few
 months ago.  I don't remember who.
 I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list.

 Robert West wrote:
 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing
 and now
 here it is.

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the
 internet, yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field
 trying to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that
 I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to
 figure it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see
 how a link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or
 so up and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but
 the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you
 could set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern
 Ohio, all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If  
 the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you
 tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add
 that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of
 various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya
 think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at
 UNC Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the
 semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the
 community at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects,
 it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community.
 So, if you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a
 tool, lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design,
 or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to
 offer you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:


 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before
 you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I
 can't

 get

 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've
 been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link
 in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give
 me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic
 and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap
 software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



 Organite.  It's not just for breakfast anymore.






 
 

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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-24 Thread RickG
game show player I'll take time consuming projects for $500 Alex
well know game show host Daily Double!!

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Charles Wu
imceaex-_o=cti_ou=exchange+20administrative+20group+20+28fydibohf23spdlt+29_cn=recipients_cn=char...@converge-tech.com
wrote:
 Incorporate all the formulas on this paper for us =)

 -Charles

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West 
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Shaddi Hasan
Howdy WISPA!

Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel
Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so
we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at
large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be
great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you
have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons
you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the
concept generally, please contact me.

To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you!

Shaddi

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread David E. Smith
Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google
 Earth.

Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free 
tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The 
trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you 
only have to do that once.)

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Brad Belton
Agreed, Radio Mobile has a slight learning curve, but nothing really
unusual.

I'd also take a look into Cameron Crum's www.wispmon.com application.  Among
many, many features he has a really nice profiler built-in now.  I've been a
Radio Mobile user for years, but have grown to really like the profiler
Cameron has integrated into his Wispmon program.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
Google
 Earth.

Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free 
tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The 
trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you 
only have to do that once.)

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Robert West
I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now
here it is.  

Spooky.

Get ready for the list, Shaddi.  

For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes?
The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field trying to
figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that I see
myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it
out but hey, who knows.

The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link
over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.  

I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and
the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the
trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you could set
an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all
the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If the
software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the
software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that
height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of various
antennas and radios to pull from as well.  

Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya think?
I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Howdy WISPA!

Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel
Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so
we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at
large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be
great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you
have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons
you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the
concept generally, please contact me.

To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you!

Shaddi

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Josh Luthman
Radio Mobile is what I typically use, but I can't help but share this:

LigoWave Link Calculator http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now
 here it is.

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet,
 yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field trying to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a
 link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up
 and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you could set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC
 Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community
 at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool,
 lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

  What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you
 plan
  the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 get
  that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
  finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
  Google
  Earth.  Sucks.
 
  Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
  easy thumbs up or thumbs down?
 
  Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
  just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
  rather be told what's good by real users.
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Robert West
You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says it's
easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the
wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
Google
 Earth.

Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free 
tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The 
trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you 
only have to do that once.)

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Brad Belton
Pretty slick, but way, way too small of a window for my dual 30 monitors!
It's like trying to read a full size fold out map in your lap through a
paper towel roll!  

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Radio Mobile is what I typically use, but I can't help but share this:

LigoWave Link Calculator http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now
 here it is.

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet,
 yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field trying to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure
it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a
 link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up
 and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you could set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC
 Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community
 at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if
you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool,
 lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer
you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

  What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you
 plan
  the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 get
  that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
  finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
  Google
  Earth.  Sucks.
 
  Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me
the
  easy thumbs up or thumbs down?
 
  Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
  just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.
I'd
  rather be told what's good by real users.
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
  Organite.  It's not just for breakfast anymore.
 
 
 
 
 



 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Israel Lopez-LISTS
Hi Shaddi,

You know what would be cool.  Is a few things

* Use the features of Radio Mobile as a basis for radio-propogation
  o SRTM3 Terrain Mapping
  o Flexible Radio Network Topology (VoiceNet, Master/Slave, etc,.)
  o Point to point link analysis
  o Visual Coverage
  o Might be pie in the sky, but at least a good direction
feature wise, implementation is up to you.
* ANND... Add some wiki style features like a database of Radios,
  Antennas
  o Radios
+ Spectrum
+ Power
+ Sensitivity
+ etc,.
  o Antennas
+ Gain
+ Panel Type
+ Images?
+ Antenna Spread (Polar map)

But I think the easiest thing for you would be to start with the SRTM3 
dataset, see if you can render that into a browser so people could do 
basic LOS functionality. The added plus for us (US being an NGO doing 
field installations) would adding extra data points to the terrain data 
to get a more accurate reading.  (Some areas only get 90m resolution 'i 
think' and the USA gets 30m resolution.)  So if we could load GPS trails 
that would show us the difference between SRTM and the GPS readings we 
could do better simulations.

Thats my 2c in the pot.

-Israel

Shaddi Hasan wrote:
 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West 
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

   
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Josh Luthman
Fine on my 15.4 and 20.  Maybe you shouldn't jump the gun with those 30
ones!

Try this guide for your PTP link:

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/point-to-point-link.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:

 Pretty slick, but way, way too small of a window for my dual 30 monitors!
 It's like trying to read a full size fold out map in your lap through a
 paper towel roll!

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Radio Mobile is what I typically use, but I can't help but share this:

 LigoWave Link Calculator http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

  I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now
  here it is.
 
  Spooky.
 
  Get ready for the list, Shaddi.
 
  For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet,
  yes?
  The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field trying
 to
  figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that I see
  myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure
 it
  out but hey, who knows.
 
  The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a
  link
  over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.
 
  I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up
  and
  the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the
  trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you could
 set
  an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all
  the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If the
  software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the
  software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that
  height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of
 various
  antennas and radios to pull from as well.
 
  Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya think?
  I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.
 
 
  You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
  Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
 
  Howdy WISPA!
 
  Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC
  Chapel
  Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
  project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester,
 so
  we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community
  at
  large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd
 be
  great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if
 you
  have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool,
  lessons
  you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the
  concept generally, please contact me.
 
  To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer
 you!
 
  Shaddi
 
  On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
  robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
   What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you
  plan
   the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
  get
   that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
   finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
   Google
   Earth.  Sucks.
  
   Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me
 the
   easy thumbs up or thumbs down?
  
   Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and
 I
   just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.
 I'd
   rather be told what's good by real users.
  
   Thanks.
  
  
  
   Organite.  It's not just for breakfast anymore.
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

 
  
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Jerry Richardson
It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do 
that it will gel.

Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)


From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says it's
easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the
wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
Google
 Earth.

Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
only have to do that once.)

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread richard sterne
I use radio mobile it takes a bit of  time to work out but it is good.

Richard


2009/9/23 Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com:
 It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do 
 that it will gel.

 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications
 Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)

 
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says it's
 easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
 have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the
 wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.

 Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
 tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
 trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
 only have to do that once.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Robert West
Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
the thing??


I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
STILL up?!


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do
that it will gel.

Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)


From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says it's
easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the
wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
Google
 Earth.

Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
only have to do that once.)

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Israel Lopez-LISTS
Actually...

If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull 
down the SRTM3 files.

What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going 
to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. 
http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa 
Direct.
And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory 
as described in the map properties window)



And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically 
grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact)
This is what I have setup for my 'internet options'


Im running version 9.8.1


Robert West wrote:
 Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
 place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
 the thing??


 I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
 STILL up?!


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do
 that it will gel.

 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications
 Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)

 
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says it's
 easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
 have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the
 wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Robert West wrote:
   
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 
 get
   
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 
 Google
   
 Earth.
 

 Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
 tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
 trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
 only have to do that once.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Israel Lopez-LISTS
Doh.  Forgot cant use HTML email and pasted images.  I will see if I 
cant make a PDF guide or so on how to get terrain data.

-Israel

Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote:
 Actually...

 If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull 
 down the SRTM3 files.

 What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going 
 to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. 
 http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa 
 Direct.
 And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory 
 as described in the map properties window)



 And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically 
 grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact)
 This is what I have setup for my 'internet options'


 Im running version 9.8.1


 Robert West wrote:
   
 Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
 place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
 the thing??


 I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
 STILL up?!


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do
 that it will gel.

 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications
 Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)

 
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says it's
 easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
 have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the
 wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Robert West wrote:
   
 
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 
   
 get
   
 
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 
   
 Google
   
 
 Earth.
 
   
 Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
 tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
 trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
 only have to do that once.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Josh Luthman
That same Pizon site has you update GTOPO30 data.

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On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS 
ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote:

 Actually...

 If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull
 down the SRTM3 files.

 What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going
 to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site.
 http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa
 Direct.
 And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory
 as described in the map properties window)



 And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically
 grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact)
 This is what I have setup for my 'internet options'


 Im running version 9.8.1


 Robert West wrote:
  Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
  place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
  the thing??
 
 
  I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
  STILL up?!
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
  Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
 
  It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you
 do
  that it will gel.
 
  Jerry Richardson
  airCloud Communications
  Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)
 
  
  From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
 
  You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says
 it's
  easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
  have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and
 the
  wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of David E. Smith
  Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
 
  Robert West wrote:
 
  What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you
 plan
  the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 
  get
 
  that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
  finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 
  Google
 
  Earth.
 
 
  Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
  tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
  trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
  only have to do that once.)
 
  David Smith
  MVN.net
 
 
 
 
  
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Robert West
Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Doh.  Forgot cant use HTML email and pasted images.  I will see if I 
cant make a PDF guide or so on how to get terrain data.

-Israel

Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote:
 Actually...

 If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull 
 down the SRTM3 files.

 What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going 
 to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. 
 http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa 
 Direct.
 And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory 
 as described in the map properties window)



 And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically 
 grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact)
 This is what I have setup for my 'internet options'


 Im running version 9.8.1


 Robert West wrote:
   
 Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
 place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
 the thing??


 I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
 STILL up?!


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you
do
 that it will gel.

 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications
 Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)

 
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says
it's
 easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
 have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and
the
 wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Robert West wrote:
   
 
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you
plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 
   
 get
   
 
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 
   
 Google
   
 
 Earth.
 
   
 Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
 tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
 trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
 only have to do that once.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net




 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Jerry Richardson
Crash course:

First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile
Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: 
http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html
Once installed (leave program closed) download 
http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip 
Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite):
- rmpatheng.exe
- rmUpdateeng.exe
- rmweng.exe
- rmweng.hlp

Run rmUpdateeng.exe

This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc 
installed.

Open RM (rmweng.exe) 
Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM
- Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a 
local copy
- Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X
- Close this window

Now you are ready to start using RM

Go to File -- New Networks
- New Net initialization
- Use default values
- OK

Go to File -- Map Properties
- Elevation data source SRTM 
- Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm
- Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map
- Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started)
- Set size to 50km high
- Click Extract

Go to Edit -- Merge
- Choose Internet MapPoint
- Draw

you should end up with a map that has terrain data.

now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point.






-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
the thing??


I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
STILL up?!


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do
that it will gel.

Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)


From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says it's
easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the
wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
Google
 Earth.

Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
only have to do that once.)

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Scott Reed
Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile
John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what you 
are looking for.
Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few 
months ago.  I don't remember who.
I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list.

Robert West wrote:
 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now
 here it is.  

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.  

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field trying to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.  

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you could set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.  

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

   
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 
 get
   
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Israel Lopez-LISTS
Actually I just found this: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/14302

Seems to sum up what I was trying to say =D

-Israel

Robert West wrote:
 Thanks!

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:28 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Doh.  Forgot cant use HTML email and pasted images.  I will see if I 
 cant make a PDF guide or so on how to get terrain data.

 -Israel

 Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote:
   
 Actually...

 If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull 
 down the SRTM3 files.

 What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going 
 to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. 
 http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa 
 Direct.
 And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory 
 as described in the map properties window)



 And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically 
 grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact)
 This is what I have setup for my 'internet options'


 Im running version 9.8.1


 Robert West wrote:
   
 
 Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the
 place where I give up.  Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in
 the thing??


 I totally believe the 4 hour thing.  My issue is, every hour...  Are you
 STILL up?!


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you
   
 do
   
 that it will gel.

 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications
 Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)

 
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says
   
 it's
   
 easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
 have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and
   
 the
   
 wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Robert West wrote:
   
 
   
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you
 
 plan
   
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 
   
 
 get
   
 
   
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 
   
 
 Google
   
 
   
 Earth.
 
   
 
 Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
 tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
 trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
 only have to do that once.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net



   
 
   
 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread RickG
Robert, There are several tutorials online. Try
http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
-RickG

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 You know, I haven't a clue!  It looks simple, heck yes!  Everyone says it's
 easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it.  Now you also
 have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the
 wife all wanting something.  Time was not well spent when I've tried it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.

 Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free
 tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The
 trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you
 only have to do that once.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Mike Hammett
Large green patches wouldn't work here.  From May - September, everything in 
300 miles is green.  ;-)


-
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--
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:03 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now
 here it is.

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, 
 yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field trying to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure 
 it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a 
 link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up 
 and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you could set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC 
 Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community 
 at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if 
 you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, 
 lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer 
 you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you 
 plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



 Organite.  It's not just for breakfast anymore.





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Josh Luthman
That's a lot of green...where is this?

On 9/24/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Large green patches wouldn't work here.  From May - September, everything in
 300 miles is green.  ;-)


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now
 here it is.

 Spooky.

 Get ready for the list, Shaddi.

 For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet,
 yes?
 The term browser speaks internet to me.  If I'm out in the field trying to
 figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there.  Not that I see
 myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure
 it
 out but hey, who knows.

 The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a
 link
 over water is taken into account rolled into the thing.

 I also have to guess at trees.  If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up
 and
 the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the
 trees would say no.  Could it possibly have a variable where you could set
 an average height for stands of trees?  Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all
 the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height.  If the
 software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the
 software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that
 height to the land elevation.  Would be good to have a database of various
 antennas and radios to pull from as well.

 Hey!  IDEA!  A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!!  What do ya think?
 I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry.


 You want a wish list?  Grab some paper, pal.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

 Howdy WISPA!

 Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC
 Chapel
 Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester
 project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so
 we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community
 at
 large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be
 great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if
 you
 have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool,
 lessons
 you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the
 concept generally, please contact me.

 To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer
 you!

 Shaddi

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you
 plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't
 get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in
 Google
 Earth.  Sucks.

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-23 Thread Blair Davis
It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4

Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile.  Add 
the antenna heights and you should have a real good idea if it will work 
or not.

I played with Radio Mobile for a long time.  It works, but Delorm is 
faster and eaiser for PtP links.

Robert West wrote:
 What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan
 the build?  I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get
 that thing to work even with the step by step instructions.  I've been
 finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google
 Earth.  Sucks.  

 Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the
 easy thumbs up or thumbs down?  

 Sorry to be a pain with all these questions.  It's been too hectic and I
 just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software.  I'd
 rather be told what's good by real users.

 Thanks.



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