Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-09 Thread Eric Rogers
We did something similar with the pivot Dewalt flashlight.  Since we use the 
18v drills, it worked perfectly.  Took the flashlight part off, and left the 
handle with the switch.  Connected a cat5 keystone jack...whittled out the hole 
where the flashlight head used to be.  Now we have a handle with a keystone 
sticking out the top.  If we want to power a Motorola, we use a straight 
through cable.  If we power Mikrotik, we use a short 2 jumper with a keystone 
at one end (reverse the power blue/brown pairs) so it is a Male Female 
extension.  I don't have pictures, but with Moto, just power the unit with 
headphones for a site-survey...Takes like 10 minutes if that.  Not lugging 
computers around.  AMAZING!!!

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ryan Spott
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

http://tranzeofaq.com/images/site_survey/images/

ryan

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it...

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Look at the picture better.  It says patent pending.

 Zoomed in:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for
 this
 very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD.

 It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools
 ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new
 Ryobi
 One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a
 similar for their batteries ;)

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Josh,

 Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE
 the

 indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery
 fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

 Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power
 supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction
 box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep
 track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 
 20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and
 then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to
 find out, but taht is not always the case.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


  Tom,
 
  Problem solved:
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg
 
  That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
  Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi
  wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:
 
  What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second
 Ethernet
  port.
 
  There is good reason for that.
  1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
  2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if
 serving
  residential.
 
  3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
     a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
  Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
             Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
  second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
  and
  no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up
 and
  functioning.
     b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
 easilly
  with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
  distracted by customer.
 
    c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
  cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
  right
  under the second ethernet port, so its easy

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-09 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I leave the head on invade I need to have a light.

Best part is I always have a battery for my drill if I run out of  
juice while driving lags!!

ryan



On Jan 9, 2010, at 4:24 AM, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com  
wrote:

 We did something similar with the pivot Dewalt flashlight.  Since we  
 use the 18v drills, it worked perfectly.  Took the flashlight part  
 off, and left the handle with the switch.  Connected a cat5 keystone  
 jack...whittled out the hole where the flashlight head used to be.   
 Now we have a handle with a keystone sticking out the top.  If we  
 want to power a Motorola, we use a straight through cable.  If we  
 power Mikrotik, we use a short 2 jumper with a keystone at one end  
 (reverse the power blue/brown pairs) so it is a Male Female  
 extension.  I don't have pictures, but with Moto, just power the  
 unit with headphones for a site-survey...Takes like 10 minutes if  
 that.  Not lugging computers around.  AMAZING!!!

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On Behalf Of Ryan Spott
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 http://tranzeofaq.com/images/site_survey/images/

 ryan

 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com  
 wrote:
 Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it...

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Look at the picture better.  It says patent pending.

 Zoomed in:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp- 
 router.com wrote:

 Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to  
 modify for
 this
 very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD.

 It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One 
 + tools
 ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool  
 new
 Ryobi
 One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from  
 making a
 similar for their batteries ;)

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Josh,

 Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested,  
 BEFORE
 the

 indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the  
 Battery
 fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

 Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the  
 Power
 supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp  
 junction
 box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or  
 keep
 track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is  
 configured for 
 20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify  
 config and
 then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick  
 call to
 find out, but taht is not always the case.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 Tom,

 Problem solved:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg

 That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff  
 (RP) and
 Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second
 Ethernet
 port.

 There is good reason for that.
 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost  
 cases
 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if
 serving
 residential.

 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
 Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug  
 directly to
 second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power  
 source,
 and
 no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all  
 sealed up
 and
 functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
 easilly
 with Laptop

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman
How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save $50+.

http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=

I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the office
build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
builds/hr).

Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do not
use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though
if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You can see
the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a
grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow).

I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which
can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.  I made
be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these
then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box
 problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.

 One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint.

 Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to 20 or
 25% here.

 Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price is NOT
 the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places
 that
 the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.

 thanks,
 marlon




 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Chuck Hogg
Normally, We do the RJ45-ECS.  Some customers prefer it the other way,
and a build may have been done without.  I agree they are a pain, I
prefer with RJ45-ECS as well.  Make sure you have your account setup for
WISPA (Coupon Code: FREEBUILD), and you get the builds done for free on
these kits.  If you have any special requests for QLW, just put them in
the notes section of your order and we will make it happen.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save $50+.

http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=

I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the office
build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
builds/hr).

Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do
not
use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
though
if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You can
see
the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a
grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow).

I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty
which
can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.  I
made
be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these
then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box
 problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.

 One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder
joint.

 Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to
20 or
 25% here.

 Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price is
NOT
 the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in
places
 that
 the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.

 thanks,
 marlon







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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I'll order one to try out.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save $50+.

 http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=

 I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the office
 build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
 builds/hr).

 Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do not
 use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, 
 though
 if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You can 
 see
 the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a
 grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow).

 I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty 
 which
 can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.  I 
 made
 be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these
 then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer 
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box
 problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.

 One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder 
 joint.

 Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to 20 
 or
 25% here.

 Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price is NOT
 the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places
 that
 the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.

 thanks,
 marlon




 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman
I strongly suggest you order 5, but I can't force you to =)

Reply to this thread if you have any questions at all.  I can't imagine why
you won't start using these, especially in place of the poynt stuff.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 I'll order one to try out.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


  How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save $50+.
 
  http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=
 
  I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the office
  build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
  builds/hr).
 
  Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do not
  use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
  though
  if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You can
  see
  the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a
  grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow).
 
  I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty
  which
  can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.  I
  made
  be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these
  then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
  o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box
  problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.
 
  One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder
  joint.
 
  Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to 20
  or
  25% here.
 
  Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price is
 NOT
  the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places
  that
  the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.
 
  thanks,
  marlon
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Scott Reed
I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 
clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
You can get them with SR/XR9.

Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I'll order one to try out.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


   
 How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save $50+.

 http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=

 I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the office
 build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
 builds/hr).

 Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do not
 use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, 
 though
 if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You can 
 see
 the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a
 grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow).

 I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty 
 which
 can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.  I 
 made
 be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these
 then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer 
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 
 Hi All,

 I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box
 problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.

 One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder 
 joint.

 Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to 20 
 or
 25% here.

 Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price is NOT
 the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places
 that
 the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.

 thanks,
 marlon




 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Thanks Chuck.

What's an RJ45-ECS?

What's the warrantee on these units?

Are there other antenna size choices?

I really like the Pac Wireless pass through connectors.  I hate having to 
take a screw driver up with me much to depress the tab on an ethernet 
connection!

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 Normally, We do the RJ45-ECS.  Some customers prefer it the other way,
 and a build may have been done without.  I agree they are a pain, I
 prefer with RJ45-ECS as well.  Make sure you have your account setup for
 WISPA (Coupon Code: FREEBUILD), and you get the builds done for free on
 these kits.  If you have any special requests for QLW, just put them in
 the notes section of your order and we will make it happen.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save $50+.

 http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=

 I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the office
 build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
 builds/hr).

 Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do
 not
 use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
 though
 if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You can
 see
 the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a
 grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow).

 I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty
 which
 can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.  I
 made
 be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these
 then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box
 problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.

 One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder
 joint.

 Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to
 20 or
 25% here.

 Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price is
 NOT
 the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in
 places
 that
 the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.

 thanks,
 marlon





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Dennis Burgess
Marlon,

What do you want?  WE build to order!  

http://store.jeffcosoho.com/product_p/2415-411-24i.htm
http://store.jeffcosoho.com/product_p/2415-433-xr2-r52-24i-sp.htm

If you need qtys, call !  



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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

Hi All,

I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box 
problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.

One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder
joint.

Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to 20
or 
25% here.

Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price is
NOT 
the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places
that 
the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.

thanks,
marlon





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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet 
port.

There is good reason for that.
1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving 
residential.

3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. 
Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to 
second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and 
no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and 
functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly 
with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting 
distracted by customer.

   c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without 
cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right 
under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without 
opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru 
jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough 
margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.

But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, 
and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411 
footprint, and dual ether.

I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second 
Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never 
likely occur.
But its nice to dream. :-)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
 clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
 You can get them with SR/XR9.

 Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I'll order one to try out.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt



 How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save $50+.

 http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=

 I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the office
 build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
 builds/hr).

 Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do 
 not
 use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
 though
 if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You can
 see
 the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a
 grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow).

 I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty
 which
 can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.  I
 made
 be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these
 then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:


 Hi All,

 I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box
 problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.

 One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder
 joint.

 Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to 20
 or
 25% here.

 Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price is 
 NOT
 the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places
 that
 the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.

 thanks,
 marlon




 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Chuck Hogg
I have a fix for your need on part 3a\b\c.

(3a/b) We use a cable that has a female RJ45 end, we use that to plug
into from the home owner's cable that is run to the inside.  We splice
the data off and have another RJ45 end for Data only plugged into a
laptop.  Then one that is combine Data/Power plugging into the CPE.

(3c) Use ARC Antennas with the ARC Enclosure.  It is a better performing
antenna than any Roo.  It is the same antenna that is used as an OEM
product on many commercial PtP links (Solectek, LigoWave, etc).  They
are very similar in price.  You don't have to cut the cable to access
Ethernet.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet

port.

There is good reason for that.
1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving

residential.

3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. 
Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to 
second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
and 
no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and

functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
easilly 
with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting 
distracted by customer.

   c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without 
cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
right 
under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without 
opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass
thru 
jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
enough 
margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.

But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
pleasing, 
and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411 
footprint, and dual ether.

I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a
second 
Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never 
likely occur.
But its nice to dream. :-)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
 clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
 You can get them with SR/XR9.

 Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I'll order one to try out.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt



 How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save
$50+.


http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=

 I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the
office
 build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
 builds/hr).

 Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They
do 
 not
 use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
 though
 if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You
can
 see
 the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was
on a
 grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy
snow).

 I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit
weighty
 which
 can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.
I
 made
 be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with
these
 then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:


 Hi All,

 I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the
box
 problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.

 One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder
 joint.

 Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close
to 20
 or
 25% here.

 Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Scott Reed


Give the tech a break-out box.  A box with 2 Enet jacks and a pigtail 
with a plug.  The plug get only the data pairs from one jack and plugs 
in the laptop.  The power pairs get connected from one jack to the 
other.  The jack with all 4 pair is labeled RADIO.  The jack with only 
data pairs is labeled POWER.  Plug the cable from inside into the POWER 
jack.  Plug a patch cable into the RADIO jack and the radio.  Plug the 
pigtail in the laptop.  I use this all the time.  Actually for installs, 
I have a power supply in the truck and a 250' ethernet cable on a 
spool.  Plug the cable in the truck power supply.  Plug the other end in 
the break-out box and away you go.

On installs above the roof, put a test box at ground level.  Just a Enet 
plug and jack.  Insert the break-out box here and even with no one home 
you can connect.

Tom DeReggi wrote:
 What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet 
 port.

 There is good reason for that.
 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving 
 residential.

 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
 a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. 
 Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
 Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to 
 second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and 
 no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and 
 functioning.
 b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly 
 with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting 
 distracted by customer.

c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without 
 cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right 
 under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without 
 opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru 
 jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

 I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough 
 margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.

 But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, 
 and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411 
 footprint, and dual ether.

 I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second 
 Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never 
 likely occur.
 But its nice to dream. :-)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


   
 I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
 clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
 You can get them with SR/XR9.

 Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 
 I'll order one to try out.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt



   
 How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save $50+.

 http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=

 I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the office
 build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
 builds/hr).

 Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do 
 not
 use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
 though
 if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You can
 see
 the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a
 grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow).

 I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty
 which
 can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.  I
 made
 be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these
 then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:


 
 Hi All,

 I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box
 problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.

 One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder
 joint.

 Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to 20
 or
 25% here.

 Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman
RJ45-ECS = pac wireless pass thru connectors
http://images.google.com/images?q=rj45-ecsoe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8sa=Nhl=entab=wi

It's a female rj45 connect outside (so you plug your outdoor cable into it,
then through the house to a POE) and a patch cable you plug into the rb411.
Steep at $10 some places but even then it's well worth it.

There is a 19 or 20 dbi 5ghz panel for ARC enclosures.  I have always used
the 23dbi panel.  Remember the ARC stuff is antenna+enclosure - it all ties
together so when you get to the customer site all you do is mount it and run
the cat5.  If you hate using something to remove the cable (which you
shouldn't need to do often at all, I don't I personally ever have had to
from these units) you will NEED the rj45-ecs.  You can remove the cable if
you have tiny fingers and can roll your fingertip from the side of the clip.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Thanks Chuck.

 What's an RJ45-ECS?

 What's the warrantee on these units?

 Are there other antenna size choices?

 I really like the Pac Wireless pass through connectors.  I hate having to
 take a screw driver up with me much to depress the tab on an ethernet
 connection!

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


  Normally, We do the RJ45-ECS.  Some customers prefer it the other way,
  and a build may have been done without.  I agree they are a pain, I
  prefer with RJ45-ECS as well.  Make sure you have your account setup for
  WISPA (Coupon Code: FREEBUILD), and you get the builds done for free on
  these kits.  If you have any special requests for QLW, just put them in
  the notes section of your order and we will make it happen.
 
  Regards,
  Chuck Hogg
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:31 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
 
  How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save $50+.
 
  http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=
 
  I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the office
  build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
  builds/hr).
 
  Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do
  not
  use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
  though
  if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You can
  see
  the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a
  grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow).
 
  I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty
  which
  can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.  I
  made
  be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these
  then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
  o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box
  problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.
 
  One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder
  joint.
 
  Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to
  20 or
  25% here.
 
  Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price is
  NOT
  the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in
  places
  that
  the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.
 
  thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
2)  There is a regular 433 that's half way between the 411 and the 433AH.


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--
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:45 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet
 port.

 There is good reason for that.
 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving
 residential.

 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
 Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
 second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, 
 and
 no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and
 functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly
 with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
 distracted by customer.

   c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
 cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right
 under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
 opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass 
 thru
 jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

 I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is 
 enough
 margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.

 But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically 
 pleasing,
 and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
 footprint, and dual ether.

 I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second
 Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
 likely occur.
 But its nice to dream. :-)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
 clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
 You can get them with SR/XR9.

 Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I'll order one to try out.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt



 How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save $50+.

 http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=

 I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the office
 build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
 builds/hr).

 Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do
 not
 use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
 though
 if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You can
 see
 the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on 
 a
 grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow).

 I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty
 which
 can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.  I
 made
 be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with 
 these
 then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:


 Hi All,

 I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box
 problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.

 One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder
 joint.

 Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to 
 20
 or
 25% here.

 Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price is
 NOT
 the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in 
 places
 that
 the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.

 thanks,
 marlon




 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Tom,

Problem solved:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg

That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet
 port.

 There is good reason for that.
 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving
 residential.

 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
 Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
 second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and
 no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and
 functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly
 with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
 distracted by customer.

   c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
 cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right
 under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
 opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru
 jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

 I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
 enough
 margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.

 But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
 pleasing,
 and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
 footprint, and dual ether.

 I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second
 Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
 likely occur.
 But its nice to dream. :-)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
  clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
  You can get them with SR/XR9.
 
  Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.
 
  Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
  I'll order one to try out.
 
  thanks,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
 
 
 
  How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save $50+.
 
  http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=
 
  I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the office
  build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
  builds/hr).
 
  Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do
  not
  use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
  though
  if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You can
  see
  the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on
 a
  grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow).
 
  I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty
  which
  can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.  I
  made
  be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with
 these
  then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
  o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:
 
 
  Hi All,
 
  I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box
  problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.
 
  One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder
  joint.
 
  Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to
 20
  or
  25% here.
 
  Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price is
  NOT
  the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in
 places
  that
  the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.
 
  thanks,
  marlon
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Dennis Burgess
Don't you ground your installations prior to coming into the house?  We
have grounding blocks that are just ethernet jacks, and a small 12 volt
DC battery and injector to plug right into outside.  no splicing
required. 

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
MTCTCE, MTCUME 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet

port.

There is good reason for that.
1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving

residential.

3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. 
Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to 
second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
and 
no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and

functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
easilly 
with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting 
distracted by customer.

   c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without 
cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
right 
under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without 
opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass
thru 
jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
enough 
margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.

But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
pleasing, 
and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411 
footprint, and dual ether.

I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a
second 
Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never 
likely occur.
But its nice to dream. :-)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
 clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
 You can get them with SR/XR9.

 Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I'll order one to try out.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt



 How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save
$50+.


http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=

 I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the
office
 build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
 builds/hr).

 Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They
do 
 not
 use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
 though
 if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You
can
 see
 the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was
on a
 grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy
snow).

 I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit
weighty
 which
 can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.
I
 made
 be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with
these
 then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:


 Hi All,

 I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the
box
 problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.

 One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder
 joint.

 Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close
to 20
 or
 25% here.

 Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price
is 
 NOT
 the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in
places
 that
 the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.

 thanks,
 marlon

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Chuck Hogg
Try #3 in sending this with a link removed.

We guarantee our workmanship in the assembly.  For example, if for some
reason water were to get in because of our failure to make sure the unit
is sealed properly, we will replace it.  The warranty sticker must be
intact.

If it is a component failure, the warranty for the component applies.
We have cross-shipped replacements for clients in good standing and a
credit card on account.

Kits are available on the website.  If you wish to modify components,
let us know and we will add those to the kit options.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

Thanks Chuck.

What's an RJ45-ECS?

What's the warrantee on these units?

Are there other antenna size choices?

I really like the Pac Wireless pass through connectors.  I hate having
to 
take a screw driver up with me much to depress the tab on an ethernet 
connection!

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 Normally, We do the RJ45-ECS.  Some customers prefer it the other way,
 and a build may have been done without.  I agree they are a pain, I
 prefer with RJ45-ECS as well.  Make sure you have your account setup
for
 WISPA (Coupon Code: FREEBUILD), and you get the builds done for free
on
 these kits.  If you have any special requests for QLW, just put them
in
 the notes section of your order and we will make it happen.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save $50+.

 http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=

 I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the
office
 build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
 builds/hr).

 Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do
 not
 use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
 though
 if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You
can
 see
 the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on
a
 grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy
snow).

 I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty
 which
 can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.  I
 made
 be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with
these
 then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box
 problem with these radios.  I'm using the 411 versions.

 One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder
 joint.

 Anyone else seeing such high failure rates?  It's got to be close to
 20 or
 25% here.

 Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?  Price is
 NOT
 the top priority here.  I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in
 places
 that
 the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers.

 thanks,
 marlon







 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
Chuck,

(3 a/b) - Great idea.   Do you sell or have a source for a SOLID cable 
assembly that is pinned out that way, that is durable to last carring around 
in the field?

We custom punch down similar cable solutions inside enclosures when we want 
to extend a second ethernet port to an external relay radio, but have to 
inject power to it.
Its all solid secure and tied down inside the case, but not sure they'd stay 
togeather well, just taking a raw jack and punching it to a cable.

For business, this doesn't help, because the goal is to connect to the radio 
without taking the customer down. But for busness we already justified cost 
of an standalone large case for a 433AH.
For residential, your solution should work really well, because the 
residential user is not home, the reason for needing to connect at the 
radio, and therefore no problem with taking down the system to connect the 
Maintenance cable.

(3c) Note, when I said Rootenna, I did not really mean Rootena. I look at 
Rootenna as being a style not brand.  I really meant integrated enclosure.

I agree, I really like the ARC entegrated enclosures.

I'll add When we realized Rootennas were too flimbsy for our purpose 
(its a comapny image thing), we looked for higher quality. We found that 
super high quality with the Teletronic Integrated Enclosures that was also a 
low price. But we actually stopped using them that much, atleast for 
residential. The reason is that it was to hard to remove the enclosure from 
the antenna, in the field, without accidentally breaking the Pigtail, or UFl 
connector off the mCPI card. It was hard to HOLD the heavy case and antenna 
both, while unscrewing, and sometimes, that pigtail got yanked.

What I like about the ARC system is that that is NOT the case with the ARC. 
They are sturdy and quality, but because they are squared off in shape and a 
bit smaller and lighter, its much easier to disassemble in the field, 
without damaging pigtails.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


I have a fix for your need on part 3a\b\c.

 (3a/b) We use a cable that has a female RJ45 end, we use that to plug
 into from the home owner's cable that is run to the inside.  We splice
 the data off and have another RJ45 end for Data only plugged into a
 laptop.  Then one that is combine Data/Power plugging into the CPE.

 (3c) Use ARC Antennas with the ARC Enclosure.  It is a better performing
 antenna than any Roo.  It is the same antenna that is used as an OEM
 product on many commercial PtP links (Solectek, LigoWave, etc).  They
 are very similar in price.  You don't have to cut the cable to access
 Ethernet.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:46 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet

 port.

 There is good reason for that.
 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving

 residential.

 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
 Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
 second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
 and
 no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and

 functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
 easilly
 with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
 distracted by customer.

   c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
 cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
 right
 under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
 opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass
 thru
 jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

 I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
 enough
 margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.

 But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
 pleasing,
 and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
 footprint, and dual ether.

 I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a
 second
 Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
 likely occur.
 But its nice to dream. :-)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
We used to ground them when we were using Trango CPE with Canopy SS300.
For business and Mikrotik we do, because PVC outside, and Plenum inside, so 
need the junction anyway.

But now with Mikrotik residnetial style outdoor equipment, and connecting to 
cheap indoor SOHO router, its so darn inexpensive for a CPE, its not worth 
the time or cost to grounding the CAT5 outdoors anymore.  IF we use a Metal 
Mast for mounting, we still Ground the Mast for lightning protection.  As 
well, with Residential, The CAT5 often needs to get run straight into the 
attic or sophet.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 Don't you ground your installations prior to coming into the house?  We
 have grounding blocks that are just ethernet jacks, and a small 12 volt
 DC battery and injector to plug right into outside.  no splicing
 required.

 ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
 MTCTCE, MTCUME
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:46 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet

 port.

 There is good reason for that.
 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving

 residential.

 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
 Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
 second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
 and
 no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and

 functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
 easilly
 with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
 distracted by customer.

   c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
 cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
 right
 under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
 opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass
 thru
 jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

 I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
 enough
 margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.

 But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
 pleasing,
 and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
 footprint, and dual ether.

 I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a
 second
 Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
 likely occur.
 But its nice to dream. :-)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
 clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
 You can get them with SR/XR9.

 Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I'll order one to try out.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt



 How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save
 $50+.


 http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=

 I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the
 office
 build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
 builds/hr).

 Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They
 do
 not
 use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
 though
 if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You
 can
 see
 the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was
 on a
 grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy
 snow).

 I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit
 weighty
 which
 can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas.
 I
 made
 be flogged for saying this, but my

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
Josh,

Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the 
indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery 
fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power 
supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction 
box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep 
track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for  
20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and 
then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to 
find out, but taht is not always the case.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 Tom,

 Problem solved:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg

 That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
 Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi 
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet
 port.

 There is good reason for that.
 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving
 residential.

 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
 Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
 second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, 
 and
 no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and
 functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly
 with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
 distracted by customer.

   c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
 cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut 
 right
 under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
 opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass 
 thru
 jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

 I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
 enough
 margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.

 But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
 pleasing,
 and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
 footprint, and dual ether.

 I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second
 Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
 likely occur.
 But its nice to dream. :-)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
  clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
  You can get them with SR/XR9.
 
  Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.
 
  Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
  I'll order one to try out.
 
  thanks,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
 
 
 
  How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save 
  $50+.
 
  http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=
 
  I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the 
  office
  build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
  builds/hr).
 
  Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering.  They do
  not
  use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole,
  though
  if you ask I expect they will.  I absolute can NOT STAND THAT.  You 
  can
  see
  the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was 
  on
 a
  grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy 
  snow).
 
  I love the mounting system.  Their only flaw is they are a bit 
  weighty
  which
  can be tiring.  I have had nothing but success with these antennas. 
  I
  made
  be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with
 these
  then Motorola 5700s

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE
the
indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery
fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

It's JB Weld.  Fits on top of the battery.

Put a tube (steel, pvc, paper towel roll) over the battery connector.  I put
paper towel over the battery connector and any kind of oil/grease between
the paper towel and tube.

Fill with JB weld.  If you have something that vibrates, sit it on top and
get the air to the top.

Accessorize (motorola plug, sheet metal for battery clips, etc).

I'm doing another one this weekend and I'll do what I can for a write up.
I'll bring one to AF.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 Josh,

 Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE
 the
 indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery
 fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

 Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power
 supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction
 box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep
 track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 
 20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and
 then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to
 find out, but taht is not always the case.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


  Tom,
 
  Problem solved:
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg
 
  That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
  Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi
  wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:
 
  What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet
  port.
 
  There is good reason for that.
  1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
  2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving
  residential.
 
  3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
 a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
  Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
 Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
  second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
  and
  no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and
  functioning.
 b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly
  with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
  distracted by customer.
 
c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
  cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
  right
  under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
  opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass
  thru
  jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.
 
  I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
  enough
  margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.
 
  But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
  pleasing,
  and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
  footprint, and dual ether.
 
  I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a
 second
  Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
  likely occur.
  But its nice to dream. :-)
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
 
 
  I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
   clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
   You can get them with SR/XR9.
  
   Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.
  
   Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
   I'll order one to try out.
  
   thanks,
   marlon
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
   To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
   Sent: Friday

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Chuck Hogg
If there is a demand for it, we could manufacture some of them.  I
typically make them.  What would you be willing to pay? $10-15 depending
on quantity?

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

Chuck,

(3 a/b) - Great idea.   Do you sell or have a source for a SOLID cable 
assembly that is pinned out that way, that is durable to last carring
around 
in the field?

We custom punch down similar cable solutions inside enclosures when we
want 
to extend a second ethernet port to an external relay radio, but have to

inject power to it.
Its all solid secure and tied down inside the case, but not sure they'd
stay 
togeather well, just taking a raw jack and punching it to a cable.

For business, this doesn't help, because the goal is to connect to the
radio 
without taking the customer down. But for busness we already justified
cost 
of an standalone large case for a 433AH.
For residential, your solution should work really well, because the 
residential user is not home, the reason for needing to connect at the 
radio, and therefore no problem with taking down the system to connect
the 
Maintenance cable.

(3c) Note, when I said Rootenna, I did not really mean Rootena. I look
at 
Rootenna as being a style not brand.  I really meant integrated
enclosure.

I agree, I really like the ARC entegrated enclosures.

I'll add When we realized Rootennas were too flimbsy for our purpose

(its a comapny image thing), we looked for higher quality. We found that

super high quality with the Teletronic Integrated Enclosures that was
also a 
low price. But we actually stopped using them that much, atleast for 
residential. The reason is that it was to hard to remove the enclosure
from 
the antenna, in the field, without accidentally breaking the Pigtail, or
UFl 
connector off the mCPI card. It was hard to HOLD the heavy case and
antenna 
both, while unscrewing, and sometimes, that pigtail got yanked.

What I like about the ARC system is that that is NOT the case with the
ARC. 
They are sturdy and quality, but because they are squared off in shape
and a 
bit smaller and lighter, its much easier to disassemble in the field, 
without damaging pigtails.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


I have a fix for your need on part 3a\b\c.

 (3a/b) We use a cable that has a female RJ45 end, we use that to plug
 into from the home owner's cable that is run to the inside.  We splice
 the data off and have another RJ45 end for Data only plugged into a
 laptop.  Then one that is combine Data/Power plugging into the CPE.

 (3c) Use ARC Antennas with the ARC Enclosure.  It is a better
performing
 antenna than any Roo.  It is the same antenna that is used as an OEM
 product on many commercial PtP links (Solectek, LigoWave, etc).  They
 are very similar in price.  You don't have to cut the cable to access
 Ethernet.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:46 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second
Ethernet

 port.

 There is good reason for that.
 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if
serving

 residential.

 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
 Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
 second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power
source,
 and
 no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up
and

 functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
 easilly
 with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
 distracted by customer.

   c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
 cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
 right
 under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
 opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass
 thru
 jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

 I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
 enough
 margin there to justify stand alone

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for this
very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD. 

It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools
;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new Ryobi
One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a
similar for their batteries ;) 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

Josh,

Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the

indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery 
fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power 
supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction 
box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep 
track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for  
20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and 
then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to 
find out, but taht is not always the case.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 Tom,

 Problem solved:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg

 That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
 Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi 
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet
 port.

 There is good reason for that.
 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving
 residential.

 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
 Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
 second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, 
 and
 no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and
 functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly
 with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
 distracted by customer.

   c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
 cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut 
 right
 under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
 opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass 
 thru
 jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

 I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
 enough
 margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.

 But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
 pleasing,
 and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
 footprint, and dual ether.

 I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second
 Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
 likely occur.
 But its nice to dream. :-)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
  clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
  You can get them with SR/XR9.
 
  Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.
 
  Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
  I'll order one to try out.
 
  thanks,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
 
 
 
  How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save 
  $50+.
 
  http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=
 
  I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the 
  office
  build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
  builds/hr).
 
  Some of them they did build as I made a mistake

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Look at the picture better.  It says patent pending.

Zoomed in:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for
 this
 very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD.

 It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools
 ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new
 Ryobi
 One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a
 similar for their batteries ;)

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Josh,

 Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE
 the

 indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery
 fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

 Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power
 supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction
 box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep
 track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 
 20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and
 then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to
 find out, but taht is not always the case.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


  Tom,
 
  Problem solved:
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg
 
  That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
  Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi
  wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:
 
  What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet
  port.
 
  There is good reason for that.
  1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
  2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving
  residential.
 
  3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
 a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
  Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
 Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
  second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
  and
  no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and
  functioning.
 b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly
  with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
  distracted by customer.
 
c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
  cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
  right
  under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
  opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass
  thru
  jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.
 
  I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
  enough
  margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.
 
  But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
  pleasing,
  and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
  footprint, and dual ether.
 
  I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a
 second
  Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
  likely occur.
  But its nice to dream. :-)
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
 
 
  I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
   clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
   You can get them with SR/XR9.
  
   Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.
  
   Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
   I'll order one to try out.
  
   thanks,
   marlon
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Josh Luthman j

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it... 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

Look at the picture better.  It says patent pending.

Zoomed in:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for
 this
 very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD.

 It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools
 ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new
 Ryobi
 One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a
 similar for their batteries ;)

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Josh,

 Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE
 the

 indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery
 fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

 Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power
 supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction
 box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep
 track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 
 20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and
 then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to
 find out, but taht is not always the case.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


  Tom,
 
  Problem solved:
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg
 
  That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
  Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi
  wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:
 
  What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second
Ethernet
  port.
 
  There is good reason for that.
  1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
  2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if
serving
  residential.
 
  3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
 a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
  Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
 Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
  second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
  and
  no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up
and
  functioning.
 b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
easilly
  with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
  distracted by customer.
 
c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
  cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
  right
  under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
  opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass
  thru
  jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.
 
  I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
  enough
  margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.
 
  But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
  pleasing,
  and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
  footprint, and dual ether.
 
  I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a
 second
  Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
  likely occur.
  But its nice to dream. :-)
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
 
 
  I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
   clients.  One less connector to fail due

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Ryan Spott
http://tranzeofaq.com/images/site_survey/images/

ryan

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it...

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Look at the picture better.  It says patent pending.

 Zoomed in:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for
 this
 very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD.

 It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools
 ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new
 Ryobi
 One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a
 similar for their batteries ;)

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Josh,

 Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE
 the

 indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery
 fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

 Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power
 supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction
 box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep
 track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 
 20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and
 then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to
 find out, but taht is not always the case.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


  Tom,
 
  Problem solved:
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg
 
  That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
  Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi
  wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:
 
  What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second
 Ethernet
  port.
 
  There is good reason for that.
  1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
  2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if
 serving
  residential.
 
  3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
     a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
  Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
             Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
  second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
  and
  no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up
 and
  functioning.
     b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
 easilly
  with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
  distracted by customer.
 
    c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
  cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
  right
  under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
  opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass
  thru
  jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.
 
  I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
  enough
  margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.
 
  But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
  pleasing,
  and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
  footprint, and dual ether.
 
  I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a
 second
  Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
  likely occur.
  But its nice to dream. :-)
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
I would not need more than 2 portable units myself, because I have a small 
tech staff.
Its not really a price issue per unit to me because of that.
But if you were to created a partnumber/product of it, I'd guess $30 would 
be a reasonable street price for something like that, to be attractive 
enough for every WISP tech to want to buy one..

Unless, it equally worked as a splitter inside cases to feed external relay 
radios. Then I could see it being used in higher volume.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 If there is a demand for it, we could manufacture some of them.  I
 typically make them.  What would you be willing to pay? $10-15 depending
 on quantity?

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:49 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Chuck,

 (3 a/b) - Great idea.   Do you sell or have a source for a SOLID cable
 assembly that is pinned out that way, that is durable to last carring
 around
 in the field?

 We custom punch down similar cable solutions inside enclosures when we
 want
 to extend a second ethernet port to an external relay radio, but have to

 inject power to it.
 Its all solid secure and tied down inside the case, but not sure they'd
 stay
 togeather well, just taking a raw jack and punching it to a cable.

 For business, this doesn't help, because the goal is to connect to the
 radio
 without taking the customer down. But for busness we already justified
 cost
 of an standalone large case for a 433AH.
 For residential, your solution should work really well, because the
 residential user is not home, the reason for needing to connect at the
 radio, and therefore no problem with taking down the system to connect
 the
 Maintenance cable.

 (3c) Note, when I said Rootenna, I did not really mean Rootena. I look
 at
 Rootenna as being a style not brand.  I really meant integrated
 enclosure.

 I agree, I really like the ARC entegrated enclosures.

 I'll add When we realized Rootennas were too flimbsy for our purpose

 (its a comapny image thing), we looked for higher quality. We found that

 super high quality with the Teletronic Integrated Enclosures that was
 also a
 low price. But we actually stopped using them that much, atleast for
 residential. The reason is that it was to hard to remove the enclosure
 from
 the antenna, in the field, without accidentally breaking the Pigtail, or
 UFl
 connector off the mCPI card. It was hard to HOLD the heavy case and
 antenna
 both, while unscrewing, and sometimes, that pigtail got yanked.

 What I like about the ARC system is that that is NOT the case with the
 ARC.
 They are sturdy and quality, but because they are squared off in shape
 and a
 bit smaller and lighter, its much easier to disassemble in the field,
 without damaging pigtails.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


I have a fix for your need on part 3a\b\c.

 (3a/b) We use a cable that has a female RJ45 end, we use that to plug
 into from the home owner's cable that is run to the inside.  We splice
 the data off and have another RJ45 end for Data only plugged into a
 laptop.  Then one that is combine Data/Power plugging into the CPE.

 (3c) Use ARC Antennas with the ARC Enclosure.  It is a better
 performing
 antenna than any Roo.  It is the same antenna that is used as an OEM
 product on many commercial PtP links (Solectek, LigoWave, etc).  They
 are very similar in price.  You don't have to cut the cable to access
 Ethernet.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:46 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second
 Ethernet

 port.

 There is good reason for that.
 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if
 serving

 residential.

 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
 Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
 second ethernet port

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
Cool.

I love this industry, its full of resourceful people.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


http://tranzeofaq.com/images/site_survey/images/

ryan

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it...

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Look at the picture better. It says patent pending.

 Zoomed in:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com 
 wrote:

 Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for
 this
 very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD.

 It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ 
 tools
 ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new
 Ryobi
 One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a
 similar for their batteries ;)

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Josh,

 Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE
 the

 indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery
 fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

 Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power
 supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp 
 junction
 box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep
 track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 
 20v, 24V, or 48V. Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and
 then plug-in. Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to
 find out, but taht is not always the case.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


  Tom,
 
  Problem solved:
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg
 
  That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
  Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi
  wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:
 
  What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second
 Ethernet
  port.
 
  There is good reason for that.
  1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
  2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if
 serving
  residential.
 
  3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
  a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
  Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
  Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
  second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power 
  source,
  and
  no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up
 and
  functioning.
  b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
 easilly
  with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
  distracted by customer.
 
  c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
  cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
  right
  under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
  opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass
  thru
  jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.
 
  I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
  enough
  margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.
 
  But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
  pleasing,
  and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411
  footprint, and dual ether.
 
  I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a
 second
  Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess