Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these. Part of what prompted the post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the antenna higher. And then we have those few that we need to get 360* coverage from, so we need to get above the dome. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play for the radios. LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet. For runs of less than 50ish feet I'll usually just use LMR 400. If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.) anyway. Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but someone forgot to tell the radios that :-). marlon - Original Message - *From:* Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the top. No reason to. So what you are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts. You then have another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome. In otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome. You have to come up with a solution to get you over the dome. Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff. However, maintenance and repair become the issue. You have to bring that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
For at least one of them the dome is 15' or more high. I may be able to find a picture to post Wednesday. Justin Wilson wrote: Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the top. No reason to. So what you are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts. You then have another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome. In otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome. You have to come up with a solution to get you over the dome. Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff. However, maintenance and repair become the issue. You have to bring that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
Poulon Pro 20 inch chainsaws are on sale at Northern; around $100. Mike _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these. Part of what prompted the post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the antenna higher. And then we have those few that we need to get 360* coverage from, so we need to get above the dome. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play for the radios. LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet. For runs of less than 50ish feet I'll usually just use LMR 400. If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.) anyway. Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but someone forgot to tell the radios that :-). marlon - Original Message - From: Justin mailto:li...@mtin.net Wilson To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the top. No reason to. So what you are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts. You then have another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome. In otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome. You have to come up with a solution to get you over the dome. Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff. However, maintenance and repair become the issue. You have to bring that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support _ From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
we have discussed hiring a helicopter to fly upside down at 40' AGL. Mike wrote: Poulon Pro 20 inch chainsaws are on sale at Northern; around $100. Mike *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:11 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these. Part of what prompted the post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the antenna higher. And then we have those few that we need to get 360* coverage from, so we need to get above the dome. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play for the radios. LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet. For runs of less than 50ish feet I'll usually just use LMR 400. If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.) anyway. Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but someone forgot to tell the radios that :-). marlon - Original Message - *From:* Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the top. No reason to. So what you are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts. You then have another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome. In otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome. You have to come up with a solution to get you over the dome. Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff. However, maintenance and repair become the issue. You have to bring that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
I am always on the lookout for derelict Rohn 25 sections. I buy them and stack them behind my barn. I recently bought this steel thing with a hinged base that telescopes to 45 feet or so. I would think if you augered a hole in the ground, planted a Rohn 25, you could stabilize it against the ladder. Where are you located (I'm too lazy today to figure out), maybe I can help you out. Mike _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos we have discussed hiring a helicopter to fly upside down at 40' AGL. Mike wrote: Poulon Pro 20 inch chainsaws are on sale at Northern; around $100. Mike _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these. Part of what prompted the post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the antenna higher. And then we have those few that we need to get 360* coverage from, so we need to get above the dome. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play for the radios. LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet. For runs of less than 50ish feet I'll usually just use LMR 400. If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.) anyway. Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but someone forgot to tell the radios that :-). marlon - Original Message - From: Justin mailto:li...@mtin.net Wilson To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the top. No reason to. So what you are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts. You then have another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome. In otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome. You have to come up with a solution to get you over the dome. Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff. However, maintenance and repair become the issue. You have to bring that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support _ From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
East central Indiana, I70 at the IN-OH state line. That may be the best way. Should be lots of old TV tower that we could get for taking it down. Stand it up beside the silo and bolt it to the side. Should be able to get 2 sections (20') above the concrete, so should clear the dome. Mike wrote: I am always on the lookout for derelict Rohn 25 sections. I buy them and stack them behind my barn. I recently bought this steel thing with a hinged base that telescopes to 45 feet or so. I would think if you augered a hole in the ground, planted a Rohn 25, you could stabilize it against the ladder. Where are you located (I'm too lazy today to figure out), maybe I can help you out. Mike *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos we have discussed hiring a helicopter to fly upside down at 40' AGL. Mike wrote: Poulon Pro 20 inch chainsaws are on sale at Northern; around $100. Mike *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:11 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these. Part of what prompted the post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the antenna higher. And then we have those few that we need to get 360* coverage from, so we need to get above the dome. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play for the radios. LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet. For runs of less than 50ish feet I'll usually just use LMR 400. If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.) anyway. Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but someone forgot to tell the radios that :-). marlon - Original Message - *From:* Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the top. No reason to. So what you are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts. You then have another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome. In otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome. You have to come up with a solution to get you over the dome. Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff. However, maintenance and repair become the issue. You have to bring that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than
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We are a ways apart. I am in central Iowa. I have had the best luck augering or digging a hole and setting the end in the hole to keep it from kicking out. You don't have to go very deep. Pour gravel around it to keep water from sitting on the steel. I pay $20.00 per stick and take it down for them. Or I will pay $30 if it's not rusted and just sitting. A case of Rustoleum cold galvanized can make even an ancient one look new. _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 7:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos East central Indiana, I70 at the IN-OH state line. That may be the best way. Should be lots of old TV tower that we could get for taking it down. Stand it up beside the silo and bolt it to the side. Should be able to get 2 sections (20') above the concrete, so should clear the dome. Mike wrote: I am always on the lookout for derelict Rohn 25 sections. I buy them and stack them behind my barn. I recently bought this steel thing with a hinged base that telescopes to 45 feet or so. I would think if you augered a hole in the ground, planted a Rohn 25, you could stabilize it against the ladder. Where are you located (I'm too lazy today to figure out), maybe I can help you out. Mike _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos we have discussed hiring a helicopter to fly upside down at 40' AGL. Mike wrote: Poulon Pro 20 inch chainsaws are on sale at Northern; around $100. Mike _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these. Part of what prompted the post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the antenna higher. And then we have those few that we need to get 360* coverage from, so we need to get above the dome. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play for the radios. LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet. For runs of less than 50ish feet I'll usually just use LMR 400. If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.) anyway. Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but someone forgot to tell the radios that :-). marlon - Original Message - From: Justin mailto:li...@mtin.net Wilson To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the top. No reason to. So what you are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts. You then have another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome. In otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome. You have to come up with a solution to get you over the dome. Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff. However, maintenance and repair become the issue. You have to bring that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support _ size=3 width=95% align=center From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs
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Just drive through any subdivision built before the 80's and you'll see LOTS of old American Tower style TV tower just ripe for the picking. No need to buy, they will usually let you have it just for taking it down. I've seen on Craig's List where they advertise CHARGING 75 bucks to take it down. Go figure. I do it for free and am happy to do it. And as my boy Mike says. The Cold Galvanizing Rustoleum makes em SHINE! Ata boy, Mike! Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos East central Indiana, I70 at the IN-OH state line. That may be the best way. Should be lots of old TV tower that we could get for taking it down. Stand it up beside the silo and bolt it to the side. Should be able to get 2 sections (20') above the concrete, so should clear the dome. Mike wrote: I am always on the lookout for derelict Rohn 25 sections. I buy them and stack them behind my barn. I recently bought this steel thing with a hinged base that telescopes to 45 feet or so. I would think if you augered a hole in the ground, planted a Rohn 25, you could stabilize it against the ladder. Where are you located (I'm too lazy today to figure out), maybe I can help you out. Mike _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos we have discussed hiring a helicopter to fly upside down at 40' AGL. Mike wrote: Poulon Pro 20 inch chainsaws are on sale at Northern; around $100. Mike _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these. Part of what prompted the post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the antenna higher. And then we have those few that we need to get 360* coverage from, so we need to get above the dome. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play for the radios. LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet. For runs of less than 50ish feet I'll usually just use LMR 400. If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.) anyway. Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but someone forgot to tell the radios that :-). marlon - Original Message - From: Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the top. No reason to. So what you are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts. You then have another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome. In otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome. You have to come up with a solution to get you over the dome. Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff. However, maintenance and repair become the issue. You have to bring that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support _ From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs
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16' Schedule 40 Pipe. I have 4 silos like this. Attach pipe with L brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete anchors) into the concrete. Push up pole, with usually about 6' remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10' sticking above the cap. I get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company. They have it in 20' sections usually. Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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We do the same thing, but we use the full 21' galvanized pipes from the hardware store. I secure them with hose 2 hose clamps around at least 4 of the steel rings. I did not want to screw into the concrete, as I was concerned with the screws being able to come loose. With hose clamps around the steel rings, nothing can wiggle loose. We have been doing this for 5 years now and have yet to have a single hose clamp break. Hose clamps are also stainless steel, so rusting is not an issue. Bill Gaylord, President COLI Inc. On 7/16/2010 8:08 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 16' Schedule 40 Pipe. I have 4 silos like this. Attach pipe with L brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete anchors) into the concrete. Push up pole, with usually about 6' remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10' sticking above the cap. I get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company. They have it in 20' sections usually. Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Unfortunately at least one of the silos has no bands, so it will be screws, I guess. One silo we did use a 21' pipe and it still does not clear the dome. How much pipe to attach to the silo, so how far above the concrete do you get? Bill Gaylord wrote: We do the same thing, but we use the full 21' galvanized pipes from the hardware store. I secure them with hose 2 hose clamps around at least 4 of the steel rings. I did not want to screw into the concrete, as I was concerned with the screws being able to come loose. With hose clamps around the steel rings, nothing can wiggle loose. We have been doing this for 5 years now and have yet to have a single hose clamp break. Hose clamps are also stainless steel, so rusting is not an issue. Bill Gaylord, President COLI Inc. On 7/16/2010 8:08 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 16' Schedule 40 Pipe. I have 4 silos like this. Attach pipe with L brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete anchors) into the concrete. Push up pole, with usually about 6' remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10' sticking above the cap. I get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company. They have it in 20' sections usually. Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
We usually attach 6-8' to the silo, which gives you about 15' above and clears the dome nicely. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Unfortunately at least one of the silos has no bands, so it will be screws, I guess. One silo we did use a 21' pipe and it still does not clear the dome. How much pipe to attach to the silo, so how far above the concrete do you get? Bill Gaylord wrote: We do the same thing, but we use the full 21' galvanized pipes from the hardware store. I secure them with hose 2 hose clamps around at least 4 of the steel rings. I did not want to screw into the concrete, as I was concerned with the screws being able to come loose. With hose clamps around the steel rings, nothing can wiggle loose. We have been doing this for 5 years now and have yet to have a single hose clamp break. Hose clamps are also stainless steel, so rusting is not an issue. Bill Gaylord, President COLI Inc. On 7/16/2010 8:08 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 16' Schedule 40 Pipe. I have 4 silos like this. Attach pipe with L brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete anchors) into the concrete. Push up pole, with usually about 6' remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10' sticking above the cap. I get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company. They have it in 20' sections usually. Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
I agree with Mathew, we do about 6-8' trying to get 4 rings, but will accept 3 if that is all we can get. Bill Gaylord, President COLI Inc On 7/16/2010 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: We usually attach 6-8' to the silo, which gives you about 15' above and clears the dome nicely. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2010 8:04 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Unfortunately at least one of the silos has no bands, so it will be screws, I guess. One silo we did use a 21' pipe and it still does not clear the dome. How much pipe to attach to the silo, so how far above the concrete do you get? Bill Gaylord wrote: We do the same thing, but we use the full 21' galvanized pipes from the hardware store. I secure them with hose 2 hose clamps around at least 4 of the steel rings. I did not want to screw into the concrete, as I was concerned with the screws being able to come loose. With hose clamps around the steel rings, nothing can wiggle loose. We have been doing this for 5 years now and have yet to have a single hose clamp break. Hose clamps are also stainless steel, so rusting is not an issue. Bill Gaylord, President COLI Inc. On 7/16/2010 8:08 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 16' Schedule 40 Pipe. I have 4 silos like this. Attach pipe with L brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete anchors) into the concrete. Push up pole, with usually about 6' remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10' sticking above the cap. I get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company. They have it in 20' sections usually. Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the top. No reason to. So what you are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts. You then have another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome. In otherwords, you can¹t mount at the top of the dome. You have to come up with a solution to get you over the dome. Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff. However, maintenance and repair become the issue. You have to bring that lift in each time because you can¹t climb to the top of the dome. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silosOne way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play for the radios. LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet. For runs of less than 50ish feet I'll usually just use LMR 400. If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.) anyway. Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but someone forgot to tell the radios that :-). marlon - Original Message - From: Justin Wilson To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the top. No reason to. So what you are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts. You then have another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome. In otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome. You have to come up with a solution to get you over the dome. Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff. However, maintenance and repair become the issue. You have to bring that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
Wasn't there someone here who had a one hell of a design for a silo hoop bracket? It's been awhile but that was one heck of a setup. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
Top cap??? Yours still HAVE the top cap?!! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
Water Grain. Two difference substances. Pay attention. J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
To make up for the weakness, I just use a 45' push up pipe and just make sure not to extend it more than halfway which gives me about 20+ feet. On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 16' Schedule 40 Pipe. I have 4 silos like this. Attach pipe with L brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete anchors) into the concrete. Push up pole, with usually about 6' remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10' sticking above the cap. I get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company. They have it in 20' sections usually. Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
Yup, stainless steel hose clamps have been a winner for me too. On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com wrote: We do the same thing, but we use the full 21' galvanized pipes from the hardware store. I secure them with hose 2 hose clamps around at least 4 of the steel rings. I did not want to screw into the concrete, as I was concerned with the screws being able to come loose. With hose clamps around the steel rings, nothing can wiggle loose. We have been doing this for 5 years now and have yet to have a single hose clamp break. Hose clamps are also stainless steel, so rusting is not an issue. Bill Gaylord, President COLI Inc. On 7/16/2010 8:08 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 16' Schedule 40 Pipe. I have 4 silos like this. Attach pipe with L brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete anchors) into the concrete. Push up pole, with usually about 6' remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10' sticking above the cap. I get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company. They have it in 20' sections usually. Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
Ya, I did that on some of my hard to climb locations. What a dream compared to the nightmare they were! On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play for the radios. LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet. For runs of less than 50ish feet I'll usually just use LMR 400. If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.) anyway. Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but someone forgot to tell the radios that :-). marlon - Original Message - From: Justin Wilson To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the top. No reason to. So what you are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts. You then have another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome. In otherwords, you can’t mount at the top of the dome. You have to come up with a solution to get you over the dome. Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff. However, maintenance and repair become the issue. You have to bring that lift in each time because you can’t climb to the top of the dome. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
I thought the same thing. Now that would be cool if designed right! On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Wasn't there someone here who had a one hell of a design for a silo hoop bracket? It's been awhile but that was one heck of a setup. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
LOL! I've got a few silos and the ones without the top cap are much nicer to work on. Darn things get in the way. On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Top cap??? Yours still HAVE the top cap?!! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
As far as climbing, most of the silos have a light-weight ladder compared to water tanks. Also, no high place to tie off at the top. Same precautions only more so. On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: How is that any different then any other tower? Especially a water tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
