Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
You might also look at a proprietary PoE solution, or maybe regular 48v PoE with a DC-DC (48v to 12v) convertor on the end. You could also look a solar. FWIW, there is a 60 watt injector available (Mfg Part #: TR60A-POE-L) : http://www.wlanmall.com/high-power-watt-power-over-ethernet-injector-lightning-protection-p-727.html On Aug 2 2007, Mike Hammett wrote: They make ATX power supplies with DC inputs, but I don't know if PoE can pass enough wattage for them. Have you seen any of the RB announcements? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Hi, Now you are understanding what the rest of us have been going thru for the past couple of years. ;) The RB532 is underpowered for big backhaul links, yet any of the mini-itx or micro-itx boards need 120VAC or a seperate power cable and a power converter inside the box. Running LMR cable works for short runs (20-30ft), but after that it just limits the signal too much. What we really need is an 800mhz Routerboard in the same form factor as the current RB532. :) Travis Microserv Jory Privett wrote: I have been doing some research and these seem great, almost. The main problem I have is power where it needs to be. If I could get 120v then I could easily use one of these units or a standard PC. Most of my sights are on water towers so there is no electricity at the top of them and the radio ahs to be feed with PoE. I have tried putting the radios lower and using LMR cableis to the antennas but have had bad experiences with that in the past. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Jory Privett wrote: These look very interesting. Does anyone have any recomendations/experinces with any in particular? Do they support the MikroTik RouterOS? Just get something fanless and low-power, and you're good. I usually suggest "fanless" because you can get the whole No Moving Parts assembly, which means fewer things that can break; the benefit of that should be obvious :) Low-power is optional, but usually goes along with fanless, because otherwise your computer could cook itself. The biggest downside is probably the "some assembly required" bit - you're basically buying all the parts for a small desktop computer, and assembling them yourself. There's a bit of learning curve even if you've worked with desktop PCs before (those power supplies especially are tiny, and can be annoying to work with). Your first system will probably take an hour or two to assemble. It will be a bit bigger than a Routerboard 500 - probably six inches square, two or three inches tall. And you'll need "real" power, as you can't usually run these with POE. RouterOS is available for "standard" x86 hardware, which most mini-ITX boards would be. You may also want to look at the new Soekris 5501. I haven't tested RouterOS on it, but Soekris is standard x86 hardware, so problems are pretty unlikely. It's a single-board unit, so you don't have to assemble anything; you'll be getting a bit less performance at about the same price, but you don't have to spend an hour putting bits together. mini-box.com has a good selection of bits and pieces; I've bought from them before and they took good care of me. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---
Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
Jory Privett wrote: I have been doing some research and these seem great, almost. The main problem I have is power where it needs to be. If I could get 120v then I could easily use one of these units or a standard PC. Most of my sights are on water towers so there is no electricity at the top of them and the radio ahs to be feed with PoE. I have tried putting the radios lower and using LMR cableis to the antennas but have had bad experiences with that in the past. That's just a personal preference, I think. About half of our towers are "radio at ground level, coax going up to the antenna," the other half being "radio in the air, ethernet/POE going up." I prefer having my gear at ground level, but that's probably because I'm not a climber, and it always kinda bugs me when something gets zapped and I have to wait an extra hour to fix it because all the climbers are working on other stuff at the other end of our service area forty miles away. If you use good coax cable, you'll only lose four or five dB per hundred feet, and that's easily overcome with a slightly higher-gain antenna or a slightly more powerful radio. I think the convenience of having the gear more easily accessible (and the flexibility of having AC power available) outweighs the added cost of that "better" equipment, but there are good arguments both ways. If you're desperate you could always get a 100' extension cable :D (Seriously, running power up a tower certainly can be done. It's more wiring, of course, and you may have to worry about those pesky electrical codes, but if you feel ambitious you can do that and get some of the good stuff from both choices.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
I don't want this to appear an advert, because that wouldn't go down well on WISPA. But reading the posts, thought it might be of interest to note our co makes complete x86 boxes with 500MHz or 1GHz CPUs that run Nstreme2 at full speed (77Mbps Full Duplex with bandwidth test utility) with plenty of CPU horsepower to spare. They've been shipping for a while and we have excellent feedback. Data here: http://www.cablefreesolutions.com/radio/CableFree%20HPR%20Radio%20Datasheet. pdf HPR boxes have 24V proprietary POE and will support reasonable length cables (50m or more), and have been proven to operate in some harsh climates round the world. Specifically, we have several installed in the UAE/Dubai where they have extreme heat of +60C on rooftop sites. The boxes are waterproof & passively cooled, will take up to 5 radio cards, are supplied complete and tested with full version of RouterOS 2.9.x installed - does not require V3 beta to operate. Our customers have used them with Gabriel dual-pol antennas, and I know have tested with a couple others too. Not tried the Pacwireless but am sure someone soon will. Very happy to share more info if anyone wants - just drop a line. Best regards Stephen CableFree Solutions -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 August 2007 14:27 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Yes, but nothing is shipping right now (that I know of). Several of our towers will be "wintered" here in about 3 months (meaning harder access, PITA to climb and work on, etc.). Plus, doesn't one or more of the new boards require v3 of the OS? I have tried several times with v3 to load on existing RB532's and had horrible problems (lock-ups, random reboots, incorrect software loads, etc.) and when I go back to 2.9.40 everything was fine. This was only about a month ago. I have also done the mini-ITX boards with the PicoPSU units (running a seperate 18AWG cable for power). It worked fine, but it was kind of a cluster. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: > They make ATX power supplies with DC inputs, but I don't know if PoE > can pass enough wattage for them. > > Have you seen any of the RB announcements? > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless > > >> Hi, >> >> Now you are understanding what the rest of us have been going thru >> for the past couple of years. ;) >> >> The RB532 is underpowered for big backhaul links, yet any of the >> mini-itx or micro-itx boards need 120VAC or a seperate power cable >> and a power converter inside the box. Running LMR cable works for >> short runs (20-30ft), but after that it just limits the signal too much. >> >> What we really need is an 800mhz Routerboard in the same form factor >> as the current RB532. :) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Jory Privett wrote: >>> I have been doing some research and these seem great, almost. The >>> main problem I have is power where it needs to be. If I could get >>> 120v then I could easily use one of these units or a standard PC. >>> Most of my sights are on water towers so there is no electricity at >>> the top of them and the radio ahs to be feed with PoE. I have tried >>> putting the radios lower and using LMR cableis to the antennas but >>> have had bad experiences with that in the past. >>> >>> Jory Privett >>> WCCS >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless >>> >>> >>>> Jory Privett wrote: >>>>> These look very interesting. Does anyone have any >>>>> recomendations/experinces with any in particular? Do they >>>>> support the MikroTik RouterOS? >>>> >>>> Just get something fanless and low-power, and you're good. I >>>> usually suggest "fanless" because you can get the whole No Moving >>>> Parts assembly, which means fewer things that can break; the >>>> benefit of that should be obvious :) Low-power is optional, but >>>> usually goes along with fanless, because otherwise your computer >>>> could cook itself. >>>> >>>> The
Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
Yes, but nothing is shipping right now (that I know of). Several of our towers will be "wintered" here in about 3 months (meaning harder access, PITA to climb and work on, etc.). Plus, doesn't one or more of the new boards require v3 of the OS? I have tried several times with v3 to load on existing RB532's and had horrible problems (lock-ups, random reboots, incorrect software loads, etc.) and when I go back to 2.9.40 everything was fine. This was only about a month ago. I have also done the mini-ITX boards with the PicoPSU units (running a seperate 18AWG cable for power). It worked fine, but it was kind of a cluster. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: They make ATX power supplies with DC inputs, but I don't know if PoE can pass enough wattage for them. Have you seen any of the RB announcements? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Hi, Now you are understanding what the rest of us have been going thru for the past couple of years. ;) The RB532 is underpowered for big backhaul links, yet any of the mini-itx or micro-itx boards need 120VAC or a seperate power cable and a power converter inside the box. Running LMR cable works for short runs (20-30ft), but after that it just limits the signal too much. What we really need is an 800mhz Routerboard in the same form factor as the current RB532. :) Travis Microserv Jory Privett wrote: I have been doing some research and these seem great, almost. The main problem I have is power where it needs to be. If I could get 120v then I could easily use one of these units or a standard PC. Most of my sights are on water towers so there is no electricity at the top of them and the radio ahs to be feed with PoE. I have tried putting the radios lower and using LMR cableis to the antennas but have had bad experiences with that in the past. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Jory Privett wrote: These look very interesting. Does anyone have any recomendations/experinces with any in particular? Do they support the MikroTik RouterOS? Just get something fanless and low-power, and you're good. I usually suggest "fanless" because you can get the whole No Moving Parts assembly, which means fewer things that can break; the benefit of that should be obvious :) Low-power is optional, but usually goes along with fanless, because otherwise your computer could cook itself. The biggest downside is probably the "some assembly required" bit - you're basically buying all the parts for a small desktop computer, and assembling them yourself. There's a bit of learning curve even if you've worked with desktop PCs before (those power supplies especially are tiny, and can be annoying to work with). Your first system will probably take an hour or two to assemble. It will be a bit bigger than a Routerboard 500 - probably six inches square, two or three inches tall. And you'll need "real" power, as you can't usually run these with POE. RouterOS is available for "standard" x86 hardware, which most mini-ITX boards would be. You may also want to look at the new Soekris 5501. I haven't tested RouterOS on it, but Soekris is standard x86 hardware, so problems are pretty unlikely. It's a single-board unit, so you don't have to assemble anything; you'll be getting a bit less performance at about the same price, but you don't have to spend an hour putting bits together. mini-box.com has a good selection of bits and pieces; I've bought from them before and they took good care of me. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---
Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
They make ATX power supplies with DC inputs, but I don't know if PoE can pass enough wattage for them. Have you seen any of the RB announcements? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Hi, Now you are understanding what the rest of us have been going thru for the past couple of years. ;) The RB532 is underpowered for big backhaul links, yet any of the mini-itx or micro-itx boards need 120VAC or a seperate power cable and a power converter inside the box. Running LMR cable works for short runs (20-30ft), but after that it just limits the signal too much. What we really need is an 800mhz Routerboard in the same form factor as the current RB532. :) Travis Microserv Jory Privett wrote: I have been doing some research and these seem great, almost. The main problem I have is power where it needs to be. If I could get 120v then I could easily use one of these units or a standard PC. Most of my sights are on water towers so there is no electricity at the top of them and the radio ahs to be feed with PoE. I have tried putting the radios lower and using LMR cableis to the antennas but have had bad experiences with that in the past. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Jory Privett wrote: These look very interesting. Does anyone have any recomendations/experinces with any in particular? Do they support the MikroTik RouterOS? Just get something fanless and low-power, and you're good. I usually suggest "fanless" because you can get the whole No Moving Parts assembly, which means fewer things that can break; the benefit of that should be obvious :) Low-power is optional, but usually goes along with fanless, because otherwise your computer could cook itself. The biggest downside is probably the "some assembly required" bit - you're basically buying all the parts for a small desktop computer, and assembling them yourself. There's a bit of learning curve even if you've worked with desktop PCs before (those power supplies especially are tiny, and can be annoying to work with). Your first system will probably take an hour or two to assemble. It will be a bit bigger than a Routerboard 500 - probably six inches square, two or three inches tall. And you'll need "real" power, as you can't usually run these with POE. RouterOS is available for "standard" x86 hardware, which most mini-ITX boards would be. You may also want to look at the new Soekris 5501. I haven't tested RouterOS on it, but Soekris is standard x86 hardware, so problems are pretty unlikely. It's a single-board unit, so you don't have to assemble anything; you'll be getting a bit less performance at about the same price, but you don't have to spend an hour putting bits together. mini-box.com has a good selection of bits and pieces; I've bought from them before and they took good care of me. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
I am curious, have any one of you worked with the nano-itx platform ? The typical use of it is in a Car / Truck or Boat. These devices do have the higher processing power, could be setup without moving parts (using outer body as a heatsink) and are typically configured with a dc-to-dc power supply, 6vdc to 24vdc. Regards Take a look at www.mini-box.com for different options for example. Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless I have been doing some research and these seem great, almost. The main problem I have is power where it needs to be. If I could get 120v then I could easily use one of these units or a standard PC. Most of my sights are on water towers so there is no electricity at the top of them and the radio ahs to be feed with PoE. I have tried putting the radios lower and using LMR cableis to the antennas but have had bad experiences with that in the past. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless > Jory Privett wrote: >> These look very interesting. Does anyone have any >> recomendations/experinces with any in particular? Do they support the >> MikroTik RouterOS? > > Just get something fanless and low-power, and you're good. I usually > suggest "fanless" because you can get the whole No Moving Parts assembly, > which means fewer things that can break; the benefit of that should be > obvious :) Low-power is optional, but usually goes along with fanless, > because otherwise your computer could cook itself. > > The biggest downside is probably the "some assembly required" bit - you're > basically buying all the parts for a small desktop computer, and > assembling them yourself. There's a bit of learning curve even if you've > worked with desktop PCs before (those power supplies especially are tiny, > and can be annoying to work with). Your first system will probably take an > hour or two to assemble. > > It will be a bit bigger than a Routerboard 500 - probably six inches > square, two or three inches tall. And you'll need "real" power, as you > can't usually run these with POE. > > RouterOS is available for "standard" x86 hardware, which most mini-ITX > boards would be. > > You may also want to look at the new Soekris 5501. I haven't tested > RouterOS on it, but Soekris is standard x86 hardware, so problems are > pretty unlikely. It's a single-board unit, so you don't have to assemble > anything; you'll be getting a bit less performance at about the same > price, but you don't have to spend an hour putting bits together. > > mini-box.com has a good selection of bits and pieces; I've bought from > them before and they took good care of me. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
I have a VIA Epia M1000 with a DC-DC 12v power supply. If I recall correctly, it drew 17 watts @ 12v with a RB24 card in it. Although I haven't done it, there shouldn't be a reason you couldn't run that off PoE with a "reverse-injector" on the motherboard side to take the power off the cat5 before it gets to the board. The newer DC-DC power supplies ( http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-60-WI?sc=8&category=13 ) are probably much more efficient than the older one I have. Graham On 8/1/07, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Now you are understanding what the rest of us have been going thru for > the past couple of years. ;) > > The RB532 is underpowered for big backhaul links, yet any of the > mini-itx or micro-itx boards need 120VAC or a seperate power cable and a > power converter inside the box. Running LMR cable works for short runs > (20-30ft), but after that it just limits the signal too much. > > What we really need is an 800mhz Routerboard in the same form factor as > the current RB532. :) > > Travis > Microserv > > Jory Privett wrote: > > I have been doing some research and these seem great, almost. The > > main problem I have is power where it needs to be. If I could get > > 120v then I could easily use one of these units or a standard PC. > > Most of my sights are on water towers so there is no electricity at > > the top of them and the radio ahs to be feed with PoE. I have tried > > putting the radios lower and using LMR cableis to the antennas but > > have had bad experiences with that in the past. > > > > Jory Privett > > WCCS > > > > ----- Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless > > > > > >> Jory Privett wrote: > >>> These look very interesting. Does anyone have any > >>> recomendations/experinces with any in particular? Do they support > >>> the MikroTik RouterOS? > >> > >> Just get something fanless and low-power, and you're good. I usually > >> suggest "fanless" because you can get the whole No Moving Parts > >> assembly, which means fewer things that can break; the benefit of > >> that should be obvious :) Low-power is optional, but usually goes > >> along with fanless, because otherwise your computer could cook itself. > >> > >> The biggest downside is probably the "some assembly required" bit - > >> you're basically buying all the parts for a small desktop computer, > >> and assembling them yourself. There's a bit of learning curve even if > >> you've worked with desktop PCs before (those power supplies > >> especially are tiny, and can be annoying to work with). Your first > >> system will probably take an hour or two to assemble. > >> > >> It will be a bit bigger than a Routerboard 500 - probably six inches > >> square, two or three inches tall. And you'll need "real" power, as > >> you can't usually run these with POE. > >> > >> RouterOS is available for "standard" x86 hardware, which most > >> mini-ITX boards would be. > >> > >> You may also want to look at the new Soekris 5501. I haven't tested > >> RouterOS on it, but Soekris is standard x86 hardware, so problems are > >> pretty unlikely. It's a single-board unit, so you don't have to > >> assemble anything; you'll be getting a bit less performance at about > >> the same price, but you don't have to spend an hour putting bits > >> together. > >> > >> mini-box.com has a good selection of bits and pieces; I've bought > >> from them before and they took good care of me. > >> > >> David Smith > >> MVN.net > >> > >> > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > >> -- > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You
Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
Hi, Now you are understanding what the rest of us have been going thru for the past couple of years. ;) The RB532 is underpowered for big backhaul links, yet any of the mini-itx or micro-itx boards need 120VAC or a seperate power cable and a power converter inside the box. Running LMR cable works for short runs (20-30ft), but after that it just limits the signal too much. What we really need is an 800mhz Routerboard in the same form factor as the current RB532. :) Travis Microserv Jory Privett wrote: I have been doing some research and these seem great, almost. The main problem I have is power where it needs to be. If I could get 120v then I could easily use one of these units or a standard PC. Most of my sights are on water towers so there is no electricity at the top of them and the radio ahs to be feed with PoE. I have tried putting the radios lower and using LMR cableis to the antennas but have had bad experiences with that in the past. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Jory Privett wrote: These look very interesting. Does anyone have any recomendations/experinces with any in particular? Do they support the MikroTik RouterOS? Just get something fanless and low-power, and you're good. I usually suggest "fanless" because you can get the whole No Moving Parts assembly, which means fewer things that can break; the benefit of that should be obvious :) Low-power is optional, but usually goes along with fanless, because otherwise your computer could cook itself. The biggest downside is probably the "some assembly required" bit - you're basically buying all the parts for a small desktop computer, and assembling them yourself. There's a bit of learning curve even if you've worked with desktop PCs before (those power supplies especially are tiny, and can be annoying to work with). Your first system will probably take an hour or two to assemble. It will be a bit bigger than a Routerboard 500 - probably six inches square, two or three inches tall. And you'll need "real" power, as you can't usually run these with POE. RouterOS is available for "standard" x86 hardware, which most mini-ITX boards would be. You may also want to look at the new Soekris 5501. I haven't tested RouterOS on it, but Soekris is standard x86 hardware, so problems are pretty unlikely. It's a single-board unit, so you don't have to assemble anything; you'll be getting a bit less performance at about the same price, but you don't have to spend an hour putting bits together. mini-box.com has a good selection of bits and pieces; I've bought from them before and they took good care of me. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
I have been doing some research and these seem great, almost. The main problem I have is power where it needs to be. If I could get 120v then I could easily use one of these units or a standard PC. Most of my sights are on water towers so there is no electricity at the top of them and the radio ahs to be feed with PoE. I have tried putting the radios lower and using LMR cableis to the antennas but have had bad experiences with that in the past. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Jory Privett wrote: These look very interesting. Does anyone have any recomendations/experinces with any in particular? Do they support the MikroTik RouterOS? Just get something fanless and low-power, and you're good. I usually suggest "fanless" because you can get the whole No Moving Parts assembly, which means fewer things that can break; the benefit of that should be obvious :) Low-power is optional, but usually goes along with fanless, because otherwise your computer could cook itself. The biggest downside is probably the "some assembly required" bit - you're basically buying all the parts for a small desktop computer, and assembling them yourself. There's a bit of learning curve even if you've worked with desktop PCs before (those power supplies especially are tiny, and can be annoying to work with). Your first system will probably take an hour or two to assemble. It will be a bit bigger than a Routerboard 500 - probably six inches square, two or three inches tall. And you'll need "real" power, as you can't usually run these with POE. RouterOS is available for "standard" x86 hardware, which most mini-ITX boards would be. You may also want to look at the new Soekris 5501. I haven't tested RouterOS on it, but Soekris is standard x86 hardware, so problems are pretty unlikely. It's a single-board unit, so you don't have to assemble anything; you'll be getting a bit less performance at about the same price, but you don't have to spend an hour putting bits together. mini-box.com has a good selection of bits and pieces; I've bought from them before and they took good care of me. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
Anything that runs on x86 does, and most if not all of them do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Jory Privett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless These look very interesting. Does anyone have any recomendations/experinces with any in particular? Do they support the MikroTik RouterOS? Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless mini-ITX boards are about the same physical size as the 532. As soon as ROS 3 is ready on the new PowerPC platform, the RB333 will be out. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Jory Privett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless I have used several of there antennas also and have had no problem with them so fare. The link I need is 6.5 miles and as much as I would like to see more bandwidth I do not have a place to mount anything much bigger than a RB532A. Unless you know of a unit that I do not my limitations will not allow a full PC type board. If you could suggest one I would be applicative.. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Jory, I will say this knowing that there are many antenna dealers/manufacturers in the world, but if you buy Pacwireless antennas and they don't work for you - - - - I will absolutely give you every cent of your money back before you ship them to me! There aren't but a few things I will stick my neck out for, but Pacwireless antennas have "N E V E R" failed me or left me short. They are right on with their antenna tx/rec gain disclosures and their mounting hardware has always been first class. You can absolutely buy with confidence. I have yet to try their dual polarity dishes, but you can see "I AINT SCARED!" The next tower we hang that needs the extra bandwidth will have one of these dishes hanging on them: http://www.pacwireless.com/products/HDDA5W.shtml I don't think you need SR5 radios to make a 6.5kilometer (4.0 miles?) link. Even with an 18db Atheros CM9 you ought to achieve a 20Mbps link and be ten times more reliable and the sensitivity of a SR5 has always been - - -well - - - unstable in my use of them whereas the CM9 has been almost bullet proof. I have given up on the SR5 because they always seem to get popped by EMP. (I know I just opened up a can of worms) I would suggest using a different platform to (other than a RB532A) achieve speeds greater than 20Mbps if through put is critical. There are a number of SBC out there to be had - - or even a nice x86 would produce many times that speed running MikroTik. Using the later - - you could easily push 50/600Mbps on a single motherboard with two cards running Nstream along with connection tracking - - which you will miss if it ain't turned on. Mac Dearman CEO Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.728.8642 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link What about using the dual polarity antennas? Any comments there? Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link > Should work, the 532s, 400mhz version is going to limit you to a total of > around 25-30 meg. If you can turn off connection tracking, that > will help > quite a bit. That is just the processor limitation really. If you do > more > than that, such as firewall rules, etc, that may be a bit less.. > > Let me know if you need some hardware off-list. > > Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant > www.mikrotikconsulting.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need a Enterprise Class RouterOS: > www.mikrotikrouter.com > > > On 7/31/07, Jory Privett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I am wanting to install a new backhaul link. I need to go 6.5k with as >> much throughput as I can get (20Mb is acceptable). I was wanting to use a >> RB532A on each end with
Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
Jory Privett wrote: These look very interesting. Does anyone have any recomendations/experinces with any in particular? Do they support the MikroTik RouterOS? Just get something fanless and low-power, and you're good. I usually suggest "fanless" because you can get the whole No Moving Parts assembly, which means fewer things that can break; the benefit of that should be obvious :) Low-power is optional, but usually goes along with fanless, because otherwise your computer could cook itself. The biggest downside is probably the "some assembly required" bit - you're basically buying all the parts for a small desktop computer, and assembling them yourself. There's a bit of learning curve even if you've worked with desktop PCs before (those power supplies especially are tiny, and can be annoying to work with). Your first system will probably take an hour or two to assemble. It will be a bit bigger than a Routerboard 500 - probably six inches square, two or three inches tall. And you'll need "real" power, as you can't usually run these with POE. RouterOS is available for "standard" x86 hardware, which most mini-ITX boards would be. You may also want to look at the new Soekris 5501. I haven't tested RouterOS on it, but Soekris is standard x86 hardware, so problems are pretty unlikely. It's a single-board unit, so you don't have to assemble anything; you'll be getting a bit less performance at about the same price, but you don't have to spend an hour putting bits together. mini-box.com has a good selection of bits and pieces; I've bought from them before and they took good care of me. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
These look very interesting. Does anyone have any recomendations/experinces with any in particular? Do they support the MikroTik RouterOS? Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless mini-ITX boards are about the same physical size as the 532. As soon as ROS 3 is ready on the new PowerPC platform, the RB333 will be out. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Jory Privett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless I have used several of there antennas also and have had no problem with them so fare. The link I need is 6.5 miles and as much as I would like to see more bandwidth I do not have a place to mount anything much bigger than a RB532A. Unless you know of a unit that I do not my limitations will not allow a full PC type board. If you could suggest one I would be applicative.. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Jory, I will say this knowing that there are many antenna dealers/manufacturers in the world, but if you buy Pacwireless antennas and they don't work for you - - - - I will absolutely give you every cent of your money back before you ship them to me! There aren't but a few things I will stick my neck out for, but Pacwireless antennas have "N E V E R" failed me or left me short. They are right on with their antenna tx/rec gain disclosures and their mounting hardware has always been first class. You can absolutely buy with confidence. I have yet to try their dual polarity dishes, but you can see "I AINT SCARED!" The next tower we hang that needs the extra bandwidth will have one of these dishes hanging on them: http://www.pacwireless.com/products/HDDA5W.shtml I don't think you need SR5 radios to make a 6.5kilometer (4.0 miles?) link. Even with an 18db Atheros CM9 you ought to achieve a 20Mbps link and be ten times more reliable and the sensitivity of a SR5 has always been - - -well - - - unstable in my use of them whereas the CM9 has been almost bullet proof. I have given up on the SR5 because they always seem to get popped by EMP. (I know I just opened up a can of worms) I would suggest using a different platform to (other than a RB532A) achieve speeds greater than 20Mbps if through put is critical. There are a number of SBC out there to be had - - or even a nice x86 would produce many times that speed running MikroTik. Using the later - - you could easily push 50/600Mbps on a single motherboard with two cards running Nstream along with connection tracking - - which you will miss if it ain't turned on. Mac Dearman CEO Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.728.8642 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link What about using the dual polarity antennas? Any comments there? Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link > Should work, the 532s, 400mhz version is going to limit you to a total of > around 25-30 meg. If you can turn off connection tracking, that will help > quite a bit. That is just the processor limitation really. If you do > more > than that, such as firewall rules, etc, that may be a bit less.. > > Let me know if you need some hardware off-list. > > Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant > www.mikrotikconsulting.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need a Enterprise Class RouterOS: > www.mikrotikrouter.com > > > On 7/31/07, Jory Privett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I am wanting to install a new backhaul link. I need to go 6.5k with as >> much throughput as I can get (20Mb is acceptable). I was wanting to use a >> RB532A on each end with a pair of SR5 cards. I want to use a >> PacificWireless 2 foot 29dbi solid dual polarity dish since tower space >> is >> limited. Will this configuration support what I want to do? Has anyone >> used the dual polarity dishes with Nstreme2 before? Are there any >> advantages/disadvantages to them? >> >> Any help is greatly appreciated.
Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
mini-ITX boards are about the same physical size as the 532. As soon as ROS 3 is ready on the new PowerPC platform, the RB333 will be out. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Jory Privett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless I have used several of there antennas also and have had no problem with them so fare. The link I need is 6.5 miles and as much as I would like to see more bandwidth I do not have a place to mount anything much bigger than a RB532A. Unless you know of a unit that I do not my limitations will not allow a full PC type board. If you could suggest one I would be applicative.. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Jory, I will say this knowing that there are many antenna dealers/manufacturers in the world, but if you buy Pacwireless antennas and they don't work for you - - - - I will absolutely give you every cent of your money back before you ship them to me! There aren't but a few things I will stick my neck out for, but Pacwireless antennas have "N E V E R" failed me or left me short. They are right on with their antenna tx/rec gain disclosures and their mounting hardware has always been first class. You can absolutely buy with confidence. I have yet to try their dual polarity dishes, but you can see "I AINT SCARED!" The next tower we hang that needs the extra bandwidth will have one of these dishes hanging on them: http://www.pacwireless.com/products/HDDA5W.shtml I don't think you need SR5 radios to make a 6.5kilometer (4.0 miles?) link. Even with an 18db Atheros CM9 you ought to achieve a 20Mbps link and be ten times more reliable and the sensitivity of a SR5 has always been - - -well - - - unstable in my use of them whereas the CM9 has been almost bullet proof. I have given up on the SR5 because they always seem to get popped by EMP. (I know I just opened up a can of worms) I would suggest using a different platform to (other than a RB532A) achieve speeds greater than 20Mbps if through put is critical. There are a number of SBC out there to be had - - or even a nice x86 would produce many times that speed running MikroTik. Using the later - - you could easily push 50/600Mbps on a single motherboard with two cards running Nstream along with connection tracking - - which you will miss if it ain't turned on. Mac Dearman CEO Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.728.8642 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link What about using the dual polarity antennas? Any comments there? Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link > Should work, the 532s, 400mhz version is going to limit you to a total of > around 25-30 meg. If you can turn off connection tracking, that will help > quite a bit. That is just the processor limitation really. If you do > more > than that, such as firewall rules, etc, that may be a bit less.. > > Let me know if you need some hardware off-list. > > Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant > www.mikrotikconsulting.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need a Enterprise Class RouterOS: > www.mikrotikrouter.com > > > On 7/31/07, Jory Privett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I am wanting to install a new backhaul link. I need to go 6.5k with as >> much throughput as I can get (20Mb is acceptable). I was wanting to use a >> RB532A on each end with a pair of SR5 cards. I want to use a >> PacificWireless 2 foot 29dbi solid dual polarity dish since tower space >> is >> limited. Will this configuration support what I want to do? Has anyone >> used the dual polarity dishes with Nstreme2 before? Are there any >> advantages/disadvantages to them? >> >> Any help is greatly appreciated. >> >> Jory Privett >> WCCS >> >> >> >> >> Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know >> your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The >> current Board is taking this under consideration
Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
I have used several of there antennas also and have had no problem with them so fare. The link I need is 6.5 miles and as much as I would like to see more bandwidth I do not have a place to mount anything much bigger than a RB532A. Unless you know of a unit that I do not my limitations will not allow a full PC type board. If you could suggest one I would be applicative.. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Jory, I will say this knowing that there are many antenna dealers/manufacturers in the world, but if you buy Pacwireless antennas and they don't work for you - - - - I will absolutely give you every cent of your money back before you ship them to me! There aren't but a few things I will stick my neck out for, but Pacwireless antennas have "N E V E R" failed me or left me short. They are right on with their antenna tx/rec gain disclosures and their mounting hardware has always been first class. You can absolutely buy with confidence. I have yet to try their dual polarity dishes, but you can see "I AINT SCARED!" The next tower we hang that needs the extra bandwidth will have one of these dishes hanging on them: http://www.pacwireless.com/products/HDDA5W.shtml I don't think you need SR5 radios to make a 6.5kilometer (4.0 miles?) link. Even with an 18db Atheros CM9 you ought to achieve a 20Mbps link and be ten times more reliable and the sensitivity of a SR5 has always been - - -well - - - unstable in my use of them whereas the CM9 has been almost bullet proof. I have given up on the SR5 because they always seem to get popped by EMP. (I know I just opened up a can of worms) I would suggest using a different platform to (other than a RB532A) achieve speeds greater than 20Mbps if through put is critical. There are a number of SBC out there to be had - - or even a nice x86 would produce many times that speed running MikroTik. Using the later - - you could easily push 50/600Mbps on a single motherboard with two cards running Nstream along with connection tracking - - which you will miss if it ain't turned on. Mac Dearman CEO Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.728.8642 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link What about using the dual polarity antennas? Any comments there? Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link > Should work, the 532s, 400mhz version is going to limit you to a total of > around 25-30 meg. If you can turn off connection tracking, that will help > quite a bit. That is just the processor limitation really. If you do > more > than that, such as firewall rules, etc, that may be a bit less.. > > Let me know if you need some hardware off-list. > > Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant > www.mikrotikconsulting.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need a Enterprise Class RouterOS: > www.mikrotikrouter.com > > > On 7/31/07, Jory Privett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I am wanting to install a new backhaul link. I need to go 6.5k with as >> much throughput as I can get (20Mb is acceptable). I was wanting to use a >> RB532A on each end with a pair of SR5 cards. I want to use a >> PacificWireless 2 foot 29dbi solid dual polarity dish since tower space >> is >> limited. Will this configuration support what I want to do? Has anyone >> used the dual polarity dishes with Nstreme2 before? Are there any >> advantages/disadvantages to them? >> >> Any help is greatly appreciated. >> >> Jory Privett >> WCCS >> >> >> >> >> Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know >> your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The >> current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want >> to >> know your thoughts. >> >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > -- > > Dennis Bu
Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
I love my RooTenas, but I'm unhappy with my sectors. I am considering them again for dual polarity PtP links. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless Jory, I will say this knowing that there are many antenna dealers/manufacturers in the world, but if you buy Pacwireless antennas and they don't work for you - - - - I will absolutely give you every cent of your money back before you ship them to me! There aren't but a few things I will stick my neck out for, but Pacwireless antennas have "N E V E R" failed me or left me short. They are right on with their antenna tx/rec gain disclosures and their mounting hardware has always been first class. You can absolutely buy with confidence. I have yet to try their dual polarity dishes, but you can see "I AINT SCARED!" The next tower we hang that needs the extra bandwidth will have one of these dishes hanging on them: http://www.pacwireless.com/products/HDDA5W.shtml I don't think you need SR5 radios to make a 6.5kilometer (4.0 miles?) link. Even with an 18db Atheros CM9 you ought to achieve a 20Mbps link and be ten times more reliable and the sensitivity of a SR5 has always been - - -well - - - unstable in my use of them whereas the CM9 has been almost bullet proof. I have given up on the SR5 because they always seem to get popped by EMP. (I know I just opened up a can of worms) I would suggest using a different platform to (other than a RB532A) achieve speeds greater than 20Mbps if through put is critical. There are a number of SBC out there to be had - - or even a nice x86 would produce many times that speed running MikroTik. Using the later - - you could easily push 50/600Mbps on a single motherboard with two cards running Nstream along with connection tracking - - which you will miss if it ain't turned on. Mac Dearman CEO Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.728.8642 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link What about using the dual polarity antennas? Any comments there? Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link > Should work, the 532s, 400mhz version is going to limit you to a total of > around 25-30 meg. If you can turn off connection tracking, that will help > quite a bit. That is just the processor limitation really. If you do > more > than that, such as firewall rules, etc, that may be a bit less.. > > Let me know if you need some hardware off-list. > > Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant > www.mikrotikconsulting.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need a Enterprise Class RouterOS: > www.mikrotikrouter.com > > > On 7/31/07, Jory Privett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I am wanting to install a new backhaul link. I need to go 6.5k with as >> much throughput as I can get (20Mb is acceptable). I was wanting to use a >> RB532A on each end with a pair of SR5 cards. I want to use a >> PacificWireless 2 foot 29dbi solid dual polarity dish since tower space >> is >> limited. Will this configuration support what I want to do? Has anyone >> used the dual polarity dishes with Nstreme2 before? Are there any >> advantages/disadvantages to them? >> >> Any help is greatly appreciated. >> >> Jory Privett >> WCCS >> >> >> >> >> Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know >> your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The >> current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want >> to >> know your thoughts. >> >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > -- > > Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant > www.mikrotikconsulting.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need a Enterprise Class RouterOS: > www.mikrotikrouter.com > -
RE: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
Mac, Can you expand on the "with two cards running Nstream > along with connection tracking - - which you will miss if it ain't > turned on.", and also expand on the sensitivity of the SR5? For the sensitivity, are you referring to just the sensitivity with lightning, or other problems with them staying connected? Thanks for the input. Joel White NexGenAccess Inc. NGA Support Team NexGenAccess Inc. www.nexgenaccess.com 740-513-4122 NexGenAccess Inc. <http://www.nexgenaccess.com> -- Original Message --- From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:00:54 -0600 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless > Jory, > > I will say this knowing that there are many antenna dealers/manufacturers > in the world, but if you buy Pacwireless antennas and they don't > work for you - - - - I will absolutely give you every cent of your > money back before you ship them to me! There aren't but a few things > I will stick my neck out for, but Pacwireless antennas have "N E V E > R" failed me or left me short. They are right on with their antenna > tx/rec gain disclosures and their mounting hardware has always been > first class. You can absolutely buy with confidence. > > I have yet to try their dual polarity dishes, but you can see "I > AINT SCARED!" The next tower we hang that needs the extra bandwidth > will have one of these dishes hanging on them: http://www.pacwireless.com/products/HDDA5W.shtml > > I don't think you need SR5 radios to make a 6.5kilometer (4.0 > miles?) link. Even with an 18db Atheros CM9 you ought to achieve a > 20Mbps link and be ten times more reliable and the sensitivity of a > SR5 has always been - - -well - - - unstable in my use of them > whereas the CM9 has been almost bullet proof. I have given up on the > SR5 because they always seem to get popped by EMP. (I know I just > opened up a can of worms) I would suggest using a different platform > to (other than a RB532A) achieve speeds greater than 20Mbps if > through put is critical. There are a number of SBC out there to be > had - - or even a nice x86 would produce many times that speed > running MikroTik. Using the later - - you could easily push > 50/600Mbps on a single motherboard with two cards running Nstream > along with connection tracking - - which you will miss if it ain't > turned on. > > Mac Dearman CEO > Maximum Access, LLC. > www.inetsouth.com > Rayville, La. > 318.728.8600 > 318.728.9600 > 318.728.8642 > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Jory Privett > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:06 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link > > > > What about using the dual polarity antennas? Any comments there? > > > > Jory Privett > > WCCS > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link > > > > > > > Should work, the 532s, 400mhz version is going to limit you to a > > total of > > > around 25-30 meg. If you can turn off connection tracking, that will > > help > > > quite a bit. That is just the processor limitation really. If you > > do > > > more > > > than that, such as firewall rules, etc, that may be a bit less.. > > > > > > Let me know if you need some hardware off-list. > > > > > > Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant > > > www.mikrotikconsulting.com > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Need a Enterprise Class RouterOS: > > > www.mikrotikrouter.com > > > > > > > > > On 7/31/07, Jory Privett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> I am wanting to install a new backhaul link. I need to go 6.5k > > with as > > >> much throughput as I can get (20Mb is acceptable). I was wanting to > > use a > > >> RB532A on each end with a pair of SR5 cards. I want to use a > > >> PacificWireless 2 foot 29dbi solid dual polarity dish since tower > > space > > >> is > > >> limited. Will this configuration support what I want to do? Has > > anyone > > >> used the dual polarity dishes with Nstreme2 before? Are there any > > >> advantages/disadvantages to them? > > >> > > >> Any
RE: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link & Pacwireless
Jory, I will say this knowing that there are many antenna dealers/manufacturers in the world, but if you buy Pacwireless antennas and they don't work for you - - - - I will absolutely give you every cent of your money back before you ship them to me! There aren't but a few things I will stick my neck out for, but Pacwireless antennas have "N E V E R" failed me or left me short. They are right on with their antenna tx/rec gain disclosures and their mounting hardware has always been first class. You can absolutely buy with confidence. I have yet to try their dual polarity dishes, but you can see "I AINT SCARED!" The next tower we hang that needs the extra bandwidth will have one of these dishes hanging on them: http://www.pacwireless.com/products/HDDA5W.shtml I don't think you need SR5 radios to make a 6.5kilometer (4.0 miles?) link. Even with an 18db Atheros CM9 you ought to achieve a 20Mbps link and be ten times more reliable and the sensitivity of a SR5 has always been - - -well - - - unstable in my use of them whereas the CM9 has been almost bullet proof. I have given up on the SR5 because they always seem to get popped by EMP. (I know I just opened up a can of worms) I would suggest using a different platform to (other than a RB532A) achieve speeds greater than 20Mbps if through put is critical. There are a number of SBC out there to be had - - or even a nice x86 would produce many times that speed running MikroTik. Using the later - - you could easily push 50/600Mbps on a single motherboard with two cards running Nstream along with connection tracking - - which you will miss if it ain't turned on. Mac Dearman CEO Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.728.8642 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jory Privett > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:06 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link > > What about using the dual polarity antennas? Any comments there? > > Jory Privett > WCCS > > - Original Message - > From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link > > > > Should work, the 532s, 400mhz version is going to limit you to a > total of > > around 25-30 meg. If you can turn off connection tracking, that will > help > > quite a bit. That is just the processor limitation really. If you > do > > more > > than that, such as firewall rules, etc, that may be a bit less.. > > > > Let me know if you need some hardware off-list. > > > > Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant > > www.mikrotikconsulting.com > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Need a Enterprise Class RouterOS: > > www.mikrotikrouter.com > > > > > > On 7/31/07, Jory Privett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> I am wanting to install a new backhaul link. I need to go 6.5k > with as > >> much throughput as I can get (20Mb is acceptable). I was wanting to > use a > >> RB532A on each end with a pair of SR5 cards. I want to use a > >> PacificWireless 2 foot 29dbi solid dual polarity dish since tower > space > >> is > >> limited. Will this configuration support what I want to do? Has > anyone > >> used the dual polarity dishes with Nstreme2 before? Are there any > >> advantages/disadvantages to them? > >> > >> Any help is greatly appreciated. > >> > >> Jory Privett > >> WCCS > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board > know > >> your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. > The > >> current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We > want > >> to > >> know your thoughts. > >> > >> > > >> -- > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant > > www.mikrotikconsulting.com > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Need a Enterprise Class RouterOS: > > www.mikrotikrouter.com > > - > --- > > Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board > know > > your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. > The > > current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We > want to > > know your thoughts. > > - > --- > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >
