Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-20 Thread Josh Cheney
If selling to an investor, you need to take in average returns. They can get 5% risk-free from a bank, 10% from a low-risk fund, and 15% from a high-risk fund (numbers for purposes of our discussion only; they bear little resemblance to the present reality). If this is the case, then your typic

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-18 Thread Marco Coelho
t. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "3-dB Networks" >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Sent: Friday, July 17,

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread RickG
the street that buyer would have to obtain to manage it. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "3-dB Networks" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sen

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Interesting perspective, Matt. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale >

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
--- Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale > One way I have heard it done: > > Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Matt Liotta
So it would seem, but that is not the case. There are plenty of companies looking to acquire operators right now that are EBITDA positive. Unfortunately, too many operators that would normally be interested in a deal are hoping for a windfall thanks to ARRA. This means that the supply of av

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Josh Luthman
roll of techs > on the street that buyer would have to obtain to manage it. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "3-dB Networks" > To: "'WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale > Yeah don't expect over 2x annual revenue right now. 1x might be more > realistic. depending on the network and what a new operator would have to > do > to bring it into theirs, etc. > >

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'd point out that the best time to get a high valuation in a rural area is not likely going to be at the launch of a $7billion dollar grant program. Why buy other's outdated equipment when you can get the brand new state of the art for FREE? You are probably going to have to rely more on "cash

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Brian Webster
(607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> -Original Message- From: Charles Wyble [mailto:char...@thewybles.com] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:03 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quest

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread 3-dB Networks
-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I have heard .5-2 times annual many times on this list Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross re

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Charles Wyble
; From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Charles Wyble > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:03 PM > To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale > > ROFL ... NTIA got you all tied up ? :) &g

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Patrick D. Nix, Jr
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale ROFL ... NTIA got you all tied up ? :) Brian Webster wrote: > I would certainly map out your network and show the total number of > households able to be reached, not just base it on the number of subscribers > you have. I know someone who can do that t

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Matt Liotta
Revenue matters a lot less now. Earnings-based deals are what are being done now. Of course, many WISPs are spending all of their earnings on CAPEX. This is where capitalized leases play such a critical role. -Matt On Jul 17, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > 3x gross annual was a

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Charles Wyble
ROFL ... NTIA got you all tied up ? :) Brian Webster wrote: > I would certainly map out your network and show the total number of > households able to be reached, not just base it on the number of subscribers > you have. I know someone who can do that type of work :-) But not until > after August

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Travis Johnson
3x gross annual was a very nice number... but not realistic any longer. 1.5x is the last number I heard for an actual sale that went through. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Brian Webster
I would certainly map out your network and show the total number of households able to be reached, not just base it on the number of subscribers you have. I know someone who can do that type of work :-) But not until after August 14th. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- Fro

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I have heard .5-2 times annual many times on this list Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services,

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Josh Luthman
I also wanted to throw this in.. If the owner does not have the resources to operate and maintain the customers (there for the revenue) then one can offer the price it would cost for that owner to remove the equipment from the towers (where leasing) and sell the towers and cut their losses. Or ju

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Josh Luthman
One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Way