Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-30 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Scottie, There just weren't enough of us to stop things like that from happening. It's a chicken and egg thing. It takes members to get things done. Some don't want to join until we can point to positive results. I guess it's a matter of how far in the future do you want to look? If you

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Brian Webster
Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Brian Webster
Fred, That is understood, however I think that WISPA may try to lobby to have the term wireline removed such that any technology that delivers the defined broadband and voice services should be qualified to meet the 75% requirement. This is still a bill and not a law so there are

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Brian Webster
Yes but if the cable companies could also ally with wireless carriers to get other areas excluded from USF subsidies, the field would be a more level one should the cable companies try to compete in other markets. We might also get Clearwire and the cellular carriers to support the position

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Brian Webster
Yes Patrick I agree with you but remember who is lobbying this bill. They will play to win even though the government is not supposed to be picking winners.. Brian -Original Message- From: Patrick Leary [mailto:ple...@apertonet.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:37 AM To:

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/29/2010 10:34 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Yes but if the cable companies could also ally with wireless carriers to get other areas excluded from USF subsidies, the field would be a more level one should the cable companies try to compete in other markets. We might also get Clearwire and the

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I am so glad you moved over to the Wispa list Fred! I don't always agree with you, but I REALLY appreciate how much thought and detail you put into your responses. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Brian Webster
Fred, Does the bill state that the voice and data service have to be provided by the SAME carrier or just that the consumer has access to them? Would cellular service qualify in that case? Thought is that is there is cell or CLEC service and a WISP also covers the same area with only

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Brian Webster
Yes, he is very informative! Thanks Fred. Always helps for everyone to know the other side of the fence and get a reality check of the world we play in. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent:

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/29/2010 11:51 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Fred, Does the bill state that the voice and data service have to be provided by the SAME carrier or just that the consumer has access to them? It says that they purchase it from the unsupported non-incumbent provider. So that implies at

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Agreed, very much so! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/29/2010 10:41 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I am so glad you moved over to the Wispa list Fred! I don't always agree with you, but I REALLY appreciate how much thought and detail you put into

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/29/2010 04:32 PM, you wrote: Agreed, very much so! Thanks guys! And I do appreciate the help I get from you on all of my silly little equipment questions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/29/2010 10:41 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I am so

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread RickG
He reminds me of Tom! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net wrote: I am so glad you moved over to the Wispa list Fred!  I don't always agree with you, but I REALLY appreciate how much thought and detail you put into your responses. Regards, Jeff Jeff

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Scottie Arnett
I agree with Fred on this. I have read many of his statements on cybertelecom's email list. If you are an ISP, I strongly recommend that you join it off of http://www.cybertelecom.org/ Since around 2002, maybe a little earlier, at the time of The Tauzin-Dingell Telecom Bill, the Congress, and

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread St. Louis Broadband
- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Ø Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/28/2010 12:59 PM, you wrote: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Ø Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75%

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread Cameron Crum
Also, Keep in mind that we offer free 477 data prep in a program on our web site. Go to www.wispmon.com and click on the FCC 477 Util.. You can even download a free desktop geocoder to pre-geocode your data (makes things go a little faster in the form prep). No proprietary info has to be given.

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread RickG
I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the