Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-16 Thread Dustin Jurman
They both have Ethernet ports! DSJ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 I was told that Redlines's WiMax solution

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-16 Thread Milton Calnek
Yah... to reduce latency, keep the base at a frame duration of 5ms. The 1/4 cyclic prefix will help if you're getting dropped packets, but 1/8 gives more throughout. Travis: give us a call and we'll help you sort this out. Thanks. Travis Johnson wrote: Actually the ping times went to 60ms

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Thomas P. Galla
I can say for the Tranzeo weather proofing rj45 setup is ok.. I haven't had any problems with it seeping water. We have been using these for 4 years (note I am knocking on wood right now) :) Thomas P Galla t...@bluegrass.net BluegrassNet Voice (502) 589.INET [4638] Fax 502-315-0581 321

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Patrick Leary
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 I consider my reply to be of enough value that I am sending out on the WISPA members list. You will see my reply there. Scriv

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 I consider my reply to be of enough value that I am sending out on the WISPA members list. You will see my reply there. Scriv On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: John, What are your thoughts about

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Patrick Leary
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Patrick, Could you please share the exact information about the FCC rejecting applications for the same tower? At ISPCon

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread 3-dB Networks
they are in a heck of a problem. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Hi Travis, I

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Travis Johnson
ecember 15, 2008 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Hi Travis, I wish I had specifics, but I don't have anything other than an anecdotal story told to me by Redline when I was at a conference. I had always been under the impression an operator could register for the same

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Patrick Leary
proof. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Hi, We are going to need specifics on this... because

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread 3-dB Networks
Leary Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 I have always assumed multiple operators could register the same site too. Though I was skeptical (and remain so), Remi was really emphatic that the same site could not be registered and he

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Gino Villarini
-dB Networks Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Not sure how I can prove it... being that I didn't actually go through this but its what one of our customers told us (and they are not on the list). Daniel White 3-dB Networks

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread 3-dB Networks
I don't have a license to do it with :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread Gino Villarini
What QOS are you using on that conenction? Berst effort? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread John Scrivner
I get 10 ms on every packet every time with no loss. I am using Redline with non-real time polling. Scriv On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: What QOS are you using on that conenction? Berst effort? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread Travis Johnson
We tried them all... best effort, non-polling real time, and polling real time. All the same latency. We are also using 5ms frame and 1/8 carrier. Travis Gino Villarini wrote: What QOS are you using on that conenction? Berst effort? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread John Scrivner
Switch to 1/4 carrier and 10 ms. I bet it clears up. Scriv On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We tried them all... best effort, non-polling real time, and polling real time. All the same latency. We are also using 5ms frame and 1/8 carrier. Travis Gino

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread eje
: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 I don't have a license to do it with :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread 3-dB Networks
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Bring out your credit card and go get one. Run you a wooping $260 and take you about 10min to do. ;) /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread reader
AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 This is easy to confirm, just go ahead an register a base on a know site Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update Actually the ping times went to 60ms with those changes. Travis John Scrivner wrote: Switch to 1/4 carrier and 10 ms. I bet it clears up. Scriv On Mon

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread Travis Johnson
787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update Actually the ping

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update

2008-12-15 Thread Randy Cosby
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 update Actually the ping times went to 60ms with those changes. Travis John Scrivner wrote

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
On to the CPE: This is one of the worst designs of a CPE that I have ever seen. The entire unit is made by Tranzeo and looks just like their normal 2.4 CPE. It has the bar of lights on the top showing Power, LAN, RSSI, etc. The mounting bracket is the L bracket that bolts to the back and has

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread reader
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 From what I understood from the guys at Tranzeo, just because they are manufactured both by Tranzeo and they are the same freq

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread D. Ryan Spott
. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 From what I understood from

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Lentz d...@drewlentz.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 From what I understood from the guys at Tranzeo, just because they are manufactured both by Tranzeo and they are the same

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Blair Davis
rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned!

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread George Rogato
So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Gino Villarini
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Jeff Ehman
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Travis Johnson
nt: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Gino Villarini
, December 14, 2008 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 We are going to test this for ourselves but it is our understanding that all 3.65 WiMAX Forum Certified equipment is interoperable but only to a certain extent. From what I understand, Redline Base Stations

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Mike Hammett
AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Drew Lentz
fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 We are going to test this for ourselves but it is our

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Josh Luthman
: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
disappear) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 We are going to test this for ourselves but it is our

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
I was told that Redlines's WiMax solution would be interoperable - but that was a salesmen speaking. They are... At a base level -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread John Scrivner
My thoughts inline below: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k Redline has an FCC approved system with 3 - 120 degree sectors with a 3-way splitter which allows

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread Travis Johnson
John, What are your thoughts about using the 3.65ghz band that has no capabilities to handle any type of noise rejection? One of my big concerns with 3.65ghz is spending a lot of money on base stations, NMS, etc. and then having someone purchase a $3,000 LigoWave 3.65 point to point link and

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-14 Thread John Scrivner
I consider my reply to be of enough value that I am sending out on the WISPA members list. You will see my reply there. Scriv On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: John, What are your thoughts about using the 3.65ghz band that has no capabilities to handle

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-13 Thread Randy Cosby
Travis, You've never had the pleasure of dealing with Tranzeo's ethernet connector? They insist this is the most waterproof / weatherproof way they've found. Even so, it is a pain in the rear, I agree. Looking forward to seeing more test results. Thanks for doing the product beta test and

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-13 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I have comments inline... At least for the Tranzeo Unit :) D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We received our Vecima trial kit (one AP and five CPE) on Thursday afternoon. We have not yet put it on a tower, as there were several

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-13 Thread Jack Unger
One comment regarding the bench testing of any radio. Too much signal is just as bad as too little signal because an overloaded receiver will create errors just like a receiver that doesn't get enough signal. When bench testing, I advise either placing the units several rooms apart (to

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-13 Thread Mike Hammett
, 2008 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 iirc one vendor told me the recline CPe could talk with the Vecima base The redline units are top notch quality construction, no tranzeo mickey mouse stuff

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-13 Thread Josh Luthman
When we used Tranzeos that very waterproof system is the worst system I have seen. It may have been our installs or the weather, but that cover is horrible. Coax seal did a good job of fixing those issues, however, it made it additionally difficult. On 12/13/08, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-13 Thread Gino Villarini
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 iirc one

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-13 Thread Travis Johnson
No... I've never had that experience... and I probably won't... it seems really "cheap"... and having to re-crimp if you change radio type makes it even worse. :( Travis Microserv Randy Cosby wrote: Travis, You've never had the pleasure of dealing with Tranzeo's ethernet connector?

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-13 Thread Travis Johnson
U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity) Vecima CPE's are less than $249 And, I was told Tranzeo is making Redline's CPE as well? Could you send a picture of the Redline CPE? Travis

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-13 Thread Travis Johnson
] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity) Vecima CPE's are less than

Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

2008-12-13 Thread Drew Lentz
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 U pricing is WAY, WAY different. Redline AP's are around $10k Vecima AP's are around $4k