Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-29 Thread Rob Mensching
: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features? > Bob Arnson wrote: > > John Vottero wrote: > > Are you saying that it's impossible to create a good Installer based > > Installer class? > > > No. > > That's fine w

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-29 Thread John Vottero
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 5:32 AM > To: Bob Arnson > Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for > installingWindowsinstrumentation features? > > > Bob Arnson wrote: > > > > John Vottero wrote: &

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-28 Thread Bob Arnson
John Vottero wrote: > Are you saying that it's impossible to create a good Installer based > Installer class? > No. > That's fine with me, who do I start with? I just need some direction > from Microsoft. Right now, I have the PowerShell team saying "use these > Installer based classes to inst

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-28 Thread Bob Arnson
John Vottero wrote: This is mostly tool for developer to get the cmdlet working. Release setup should set the registry keys explicitly. See, it's not just WiX crazies! It just sets series of registry keys. We need to document the keys which vendors need to set for registering snapin

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-27 Thread Derek Cicerone
Thanks for the pointer John. Thanks, Derek -Original Message- From: John Vottero [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bob Arnson Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-27 Thread Rob Mensching
TED]; Bob Arnson Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features? > This is good, except for the part about not creating an Extension. > He said there were no plans for V1.

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-27 Thread Joe Kaplan
ly 26, 2006 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features? > > I posted this exchange and a number of questions on the PowerShell > newsgroup and here's the response: > > Posting on behalf of the feature developer. &

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-26 Thread John Vottero
> Bob Arnson wrote: > > John Vottero wrote: > > Are you saying that it's impossible to create a good Installer based > > Installer class? > > > No. > > That's fine with me, who do I start with? I just need some > direction > > from Microsoft. Right now, I have the PowerShell team > saying "

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-25 Thread John Vottero
> From: Derek Cicerone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This is a good chance for us to all get on the same page. Who on the > PowerShell team is saying to use the Installer classes? (Or > if this is from > some MSDN docs, please send us the link.) > Here's a link to the documentation on regist

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-24 Thread John Calcote
John, I don't think it's fair to say that you should NEVER run your own code. I believe the spirit of the thing dictates that you use MSI data wherever you can, and write code for exactly what you can't do with MSI. Clearly, there's a need for this. Microsoft could never anticipate every possible

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-24 Thread Derek Cicerone
John Vottero Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:29 PM To: Bob Arnson Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features? > Bob Arnson wrote: > [snip] > > Running arbitrary code during install

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-24 Thread John Vottero
> Bob Arnson wrote: > [snip] > > Running arbitrary code during installation is bad. It's > self-reg, except > worse. The entire design of MSI is based on the idea of > describing your > setup and letting MSI interpret the description. Running code > is bad and > should be avoided whenever p

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-23 Thread Bob Arnson
John Vottero wrote: > Reposting this message at regular intervals (either manually or > automatically) does no good whatsoever. That doesn't change the fact that it's a well-written message. > If there are problems with the > Installer based classes they should be reported to Microsoft so that t

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-23 Thread John Vottero
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Bob Arnson > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 3:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for > installingWindowsinstrumentation fe

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-23 Thread Bob Arnson
Phil Wilson wrote: > There are other issues with Installer classes too. As Rob M has pointed out, > anything that's installed with code is outside the Windows Installer ref > counting scheme. If you install a shared item with MSI and follow the usual > component id rules it just works. Two products

Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features?

2006-07-23 Thread Phil Wilson
2:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Should WiX add support for installingWindowsinstrumentation features? Whenever I sit at my desk, I have the potential to introduce bugs. :) Do C++ custom actions introduce less defects? Absolutely not. If you or I writ