[WSG] standards compliant .NET modules

2004-05-13 Thread Joe Leech
Hello WSG, I 've only been on the list for a couple of weeks and I've found the discussion really interesting. Anyway... I am working on a .NET CMS product and we are currently wrestling to make the output standards compliant which is proving to be tricky. Does anybody know of any off the

[WSG] Is a degree necessary?

2004-05-13 Thread Gabriel Vasquez
Hi Everyone, I apologize if this is off topic but this is one of the few places that I would be able to talk to web designers and get their opinions on this. I've been attending school to get an Associates degree in Digital Media. The program is 18 months and ranges from html to 3d graphics. I'm

Re: [WSG] centering an element

2004-05-13 Thread SomeNewKid
The Web Page Design for Designers website provides the following method of dead centre: http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/thebox/deadcentre4.html I hope this helps. - Original Message - From: glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:04 AM Subject:

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

2004-05-13 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Gabriel, You're over halfway through an 18 month course. Finish it. You may no longer learn anything of any technical benefit for your plans for future, but a qualification is invaluable in life due to the absurd rules by which society judges your worth. I have a few qualifications that I figure

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

2004-05-13 Thread Hill, Tim
eheheh 'before computers were used in design' sounds really old sorry =) I think having a degree is alot better than just having a portfolio. I guess its really what you put in, is what you get out. Like you could still do a degree and just do the bare minimum just keeping up, not putting

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

2004-05-13 Thread Miles Tillinger
My short answer: A uni degree is more than just a piece of paper, its a statement that you were determined and dedicated enought to finish what you'd started. I dropped out in 3rd of 4 years and even though it hasn't affected me yet, I worry that I'll be wishing I had finished it when I apply

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary? - ADMIN

2004-05-13 Thread russ - maxdesign
For this thread, answers would be better directed to Gabriel offlist. Russ My question to you is this: Do you think it would be wise for me to finish the program and get the degree even though I'm not learning what I want to be learning, or should I just call it off and focus on web design?

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

2004-05-13 Thread scott parsons
a degree might not be essential to start out... but in 5 to ten years when you are trying to get senior positions you will be MUCH better for it Gabriel Vasquez wrote: Hi Everyone, I apologize if this is off topic but this is one of the few places that I would be able to talk to web designers

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

2004-05-13 Thread Miles Tillinger
Having the degree is one thing, but enjoying what you do is another thing completely. I don't think you'll find many ppl who are successful at what they do but totally hate doingit... If you get into an IT job before you finish then you'll havea headstart on everyone else. -Original

Re: [WSG] Design Philosophy

2004-05-13 Thread Vaska . WSG
I'm following behind the curve on this one as it seems people have put this to rest. However, I really do not want to be grouped into a category of people who believe in standards above all else. I am a print designer first and foremost. My response, below, was really more about shock than

Re: [WSG] Launched my third xhtml site!!

2004-05-13 Thread Hugh Todd
Mike, While it can be difficult with a small client and budget (and a son who comes up with rinky-dinky graphics), the best strategy for any design/communication work is to discuss and agree on (and formalise) a brief for your work... its strategy, objectives, type of person you want to

[WSG] Re: IE5 v Mozilla

2004-05-13 Thread Alan Milnes
table width=100% Thanks - it was originally broken only in IE, hence the title, then I tried to fix it and broke it in both. Now working in both. Alan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

RE: [WSG] Design Philosophy

2004-05-13 Thread Mike Pepper
My response, below, was really more about shock than anything else. I couldn't believe that somebody would propose to take the visual design out of things. If that were the case, I would probably stop building websites tommorrow. In reality, it would need to be much higher than 7% to get me to

Re: [WSG] Application of web standards in real life (new thread)

2004-05-13 Thread James Ellis
Neerav I understand the issue surrounding browser usage but this is only part of the picture - an important one, but still only a part. I don't know the number of people using handheld - no one does - I do know it's a growing trend. The point I'm trying to press is the extensibility of your

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

2004-05-13 Thread Ray Cauchi
Hi there At the end of the day its your decision! I did 2 years B.Architecture, then abandoned the whole thing. 4 years later, I started my own business, which I have now been running for 5 years. Actually, I have dropped out of Uni twice. You don't need a Degree. There have been positive

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

2004-05-13 Thread Ray Cauchi
Hi there At the end of the day its your decision! I did 2 years B.Architecture, then abandoned the whole thing. 4 years later, I started my own business, which I have now been running for 5 years. Actually, I have dropped out of Uni twice. You don't need a Degree. There have been positive

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

2004-05-13 Thread Chatham, Will
I do agree with the person that said you should go ahead and finish the course work since you are already half way through it. That said, from my experiences in the job market, what matters more than a degree to potential employers is a good portfolio and experience working on projects.

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary? THREAD CLOSED

2004-05-13 Thread Peter Firminger
Russ already stopped this thread. Please do not continue with it on list. P * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

2004-05-13 Thread Jeremy Flint
I attended earned a Bachelor of Fine Arts with a double emphasis in Graphic Design and Photography. This was between 1995 and 2000, and I had no formal training in Web Design. They didn't even offer classes for it at my school, other than some Flash stuff in a Multimedia class (which i never

Re: [WSG] Site Review and some guidance on inheritance please

2004-05-13 Thread Alan Milnes
Rev Bob wrote:- I do have a real comment. I think the color of the W3C icons is beating hell out of your blues. You either need to get rid of them (as in http://www.csszengarden.com/) or do something to give that orange-yellow a context. Thanks - I'll look into that. Don't answer his

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[WSG] Spammer in our midst

2004-05-13 Thread Mike Pepper
Don't reply to the graphic on the WHO ARE YOU? mail: it's a mail harvester. Those in the know won't but we may have some new guys here. If we all focus out attention on him, we should be able to shut his heart down :o) Bloody annoys me, this crap on the web. Mike Pepper Accessible Web

RE: [WSG] Spammer in our midst

2004-05-13 Thread Mike Pepper
Don't reply to the graphic on the WHO ARE YOU? mail: it's a mail harvester. Those in the know won't but we may have some new guys here. If we all focus out attention on him, we should be able to shut his heart down :o) Bloody annoys me, this crap on the web. Mike Pepper Accessible Web

RE: [WSG] Spammer in our midst

2004-05-13 Thread Mike Pepper
Don't reply to the graphic on the WHO ARE YOU? mail: it's a mail harvester. Those in the know won't but we may have some new guys here. If we all focus out attention on him, we should be able to shut his heart down :o) Bloody annoys me, this crap on the web. Mike Pepper Accessible Web

Re: [WSG] old browser download site?

2004-05-13 Thread wsg
Hi Kevin, Try: http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php Multi older versions of IE + instructions on how to get them to all play nice on one machine. Brian Kevin McMonagle wrote: Hi all, I need older browsers for testing sites. Is there anywhere i can download ie windows pre version 6?

Re: [WSG] old browser download site?

2004-05-13 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 13 May 2004 16:40:03 -0500, Kevin McMonagle wrote: Is there anywhere i can download ie windows pre version 6? http://browsers.evolt.org/ All the browsers you can eat. Or something like that... :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane,

RE: [WSG] old browser download site?

2004-05-13 Thread Mike Pepper
Kevin, You should look here for a low-down http://www.insert-title.com/web_design/?page=articles/dev/multi_IE then pick 'em up at http://browsers.evolt.org/ Helped me no end. Mike Pepper Accessible Website Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

2004-05-13 Thread Jackie Reid
displaying the ability to finish something you started I hear this comment thrown about alot as one of the major benefits of getting a degree, frankly I think that's absolute garbage. If a degree is reward for perserverence,all members of this list should be given honorary degrees today

Re: [WSG] standards compliant .NET modules

2004-05-13 Thread SomeNewKid
The ASP.NET framework does not produce standards compliant XHTML. Hence, no off-the-shelf forum component for ASP.NET will produce valid XHTML. You have four main options when aiming for standards compliance in ASP.NET. 1) Visit www.xhtmlwebcontrols.com and purchase their product. It replaces

Re: [WSG] standards compliant .NET modules

2004-05-13 Thread James Ellis
Hi Surely a .net developer can write their own function to output compliant markup? seems strange that a language forces someone to use inbuilt modules. Cheers James SomeNewKid wrote: The ASP.NET framework does not produce standards compliant XHTML. Hence, no off-the-shelf forum component for

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

2004-05-13 Thread Peter A. Shevtsov
The ability to finish what you've started is good. But I think, the ability to give up what you've started if you find it useless is more better! Cheers Peter A. Shevtsov Gabriel Vasquez wrote: Hi Everyone, I apologize if this is off topic but this is one of the few places that I would be

[WSG] digital web magazine redesign

2004-05-13 Thread Hill, Tim
New redesign for digital web, looks cool. www.digital-web.com Tim HillComputer AssociatesGraphic Artisttel: +612 9937 0792fax: +612 9937 0546[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

2004-05-13 Thread Kay Smoljak
New redesign for digital web, looks cool. www.digital-web.com Wow. Nice, not really sure about how the different areas of the page gel at higher resolutions... but so many nice bits. The current section indicators are cute, the what's new title rocks, the tabs are cool. And somewhere,

Re: [WSG] standards compliant .NET modules

2004-05-13 Thread SomeNewKid
Fair question, James. A forum component for ASP.NET will not output HTML (input type=text id=Title /). Rather, it will inject ASP.NET server controls (asp:Textbox id=Title runat=server /). The component developers are not forced to do this. They *could* output static and valid XHTML if they

RE: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

2004-05-13 Thread Michael Kear
AH, you're like me Kay - you see something cool then you start looking around for a project to use it on. Where can I do that? I have to have a site that's ready for re-development again surely! Then for me, when the time comes to do a brand new site, I find all those ideas vanish from my

[WSG] Objective look at tables for layout

2004-05-13 Thread Nick Lo
Via Mezzoblue: http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/05/13/gasp_tables/index.php * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

RE: [WSG] Link on csscreator

2004-05-13 Thread Taco Fleur
Title: Link on csscreator Sure is, thanks. -Original Message-From: Avril Bowie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 14 May 2004 2:12 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WSG] Link on csscreator http://www.csscreator.com/attributes/index.php Is this what you were

RE: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

2004-05-13 Thread Michael Kear
Justin French said: ...But personally, I'd find very little satisfaction drawing inspiration directly from bookmarks. I'd much rather take every pull-quote I've ever seen, throw them all in a blender, and come up with my OWN solution appropriate to the job at hand I know what you mean.

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

2004-05-13 Thread Universal Head
its all in the talent and creative side of your brain, son! It's easy Mike! See that button on the top right of your keyboard? The one marked design? Just press it! ;) Oh OK I'll say something useful. Here's what I do. When coming up with a concept I sit down with a big piece of paper and I

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

2004-05-13 Thread Hugh Todd
Michael. We're in danger of getting smacked on the keyboard hands by the List Mum, but I'll quickly say: Design is a discipline, as Peter Gifford has said, that benefits from learning, whether (if you are able to teach yourself to see) by yourself or, usually much better, in a serious

[WSG] Tables are bad because...

2004-05-13 Thread Aaron DC
... heya all - just joined the list for interest's sake and am slowly making my way through some of the posted CSS-savvy sites. Somewhere along the way someone decided tables and in particular nested tables are a bad thing (tm) - I am curious as to the reasoning/history behind this, and

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

2004-05-13 Thread YoYoEtc
May I ask what sort of design books you use for inspiration? I have wondered myself where to get inspiration from. So far, I just scout around the Internet and look for other sites in the same industry or of the same subject matter. However, I tend to think that limits my brain somewhat i.e.