Peeps,
I wrote this text scroller upon request a few weeks ago:
http://www.webSemantics.co.uk/accessible_scroller.html
It's XHTML strict, standards compliant, accessible and manipulates the DOM via
JavaScript.
I have a slight problem with IE v5.0. It doesn't recognise the no-wrap property.
Olajide Olaolorun wrote:
I know that some other browsers like Firefox might not work without
the embed code,
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Olajide
Firefox, Mozilla, Opera 7 et al actually support the object tag far
better than Internet Explorer for Windows. It's a
You mean to Anti-Alias them...
Sadly there no way you can do this just thru CSS, you could use
Shaun Inmann's Flash Replacement Trick, which scans you code and replaces
what you select with Flash
http://www.shauninman.com/mentary/past/ifr_revisited_and_revised.php
Ive used it on many projects
hmmm I know just what I can do.
I could probaly use a little PHP and GD2 to make it an image instead which
would b perfect
hmmm/// :)
Thanks guys
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From: Mark Harwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:17 AM
Subject: Re:
Hi folks,
Everybody has an opinion on fixed vs flexible layouts. Some people
prefer how fixed width sites look, and there is little doubt that they
are easier to build. Others hate the whitespace around fixed width
designs, thinking they look ridiculous on large monitors.
For a site to get a
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dynatext/
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Sent: 30 July 2004 09:57
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Smooth fonts with CSS
hmmm I know just what I can do.
I could probaly use a little PHP and
I have not made a study of the accessibility guidelines in depth, but my
guess would be that they are referring to elements that can be resized like
text rather than positional elements and that confusion arises because of
vagueness like that. Just a thought, probably wrong, but hey. :)
Fixed vs. Liquid. Excellent! I love these arguments. I'm sure we'll see
about 300 replies to this that go way off topic in a general Fixed is
better! - NO! Liquid is better style.
The accessibility concern with fixed (pixel) width layouts that
instantly jumps to mind is that if a user with poor
Whenever I trawl lists like css-discuss, I'm always surprised about the
amount of hack related discussion there is.
People are always talking about the holy hack, the underscore hack or
the star hack, about IE7, the high pass filter or the mid pass filter.
As somebody who is quite experienced
I'd argue that the best compromise are elastic layouts, where things
are positioned and sized in relation to other factors like font size.
To say that if we just set our width to 100% or something
and rejoice that the site will work in all sizes is misguided;
there will always be extremes at both
The only hack that I think is really necessary is the box model hack.
Hacks are over-used, usually to quickly solve a cross-browser problem
that can actually be fixed with good, non-hack CSS. This is the goal of
web standards after all - one size fits all.
Patrick Griffiths
Well im just swaying away from my gotta keep it fixed way of thinking and
slowly getting on with
Stretch it like a rubber Johnny as i still dont think a full fluid layout works
100% of the time.
But an Elastic one does! As you can still set your width's and if you do
everything in EM's
Andy Budd said:
So I'm interested to hear what you folks think. Do you hack or are you
hack free? If you hack, what methods do you use, why do you use that
method, and more importantly, why do you need it in the first place?
The most useful CSS 'hacks' I know of are the various filters
From: Andy Budd
[snip]
So I'm interested to hear what you folks think. Do you hack
or are you
hack free?
Pretty much hack free here as well. Only thing I may use occasionally
is using import to hide things from generation 4 browsers (and
occasionally exploiting the flawed handling of single
I never used to use any of the Hacks (Hax 4 those who play CS!) as i could never
get around to learning them
so in fact i use to just work around them as much as i could.
But i do now find myself using the underscore hack alot for IE, but only to give
things like min-height values
to an element
Andy Budd wrote:
So I'm interested to hear what you folks think. Do you hack or are you
hack free? If you hack, what methods do you use, why do you use that
method, and more importantly, why do you need it in the first place?
I try to avoid them.
Just this week I had some really good results
Patrick Griffiths wrote:
The accessibility concern with fixed (pixel) width layouts that
instantly jumps to mind is that if a user with poor eyesight decides to
bump up the text size, you're going to find yourself with fewer words
per line. If you're not careful, such an action can lead to content
-Original Message-
From: Andy Budd
So I'm interested to hear what you folks think. Do you hack or are you
hack free? If you hack, what methods do you use, why do you use that
method, and more importantly, why do you need it in the first place?
I try to do as little hacking as
Neerav Bhatt wrote:
I only use the @import hack for version 4 and older browsers
I don't really consider @import a hack. There's no messing around to exploit parsing
bugs. Very useful for filtering out the older browsers, though ;)
Owen
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From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL
Andy Budd wrote:
If you are embedding widths in the HTML this is definitely an issue.
However if you are doing it using CSS, these devices should really use
'handheld' stylesheets instead of those intended for 'screen'.
Indeed they should. Unfortunately, a lot of mobile browsers (such as PPC
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:55 , Geoff Deering
So I pose another question, if it was a perfect world and it supported CSS
properly, what percentage of your development time would be saved on each
project?
Very little now, as i've developed a standard for all my sites, which you can
tell via the
-Original Message-
From: Andy Budd
For a site to get a AA accessibility rating, you are supposed to use
relative units (%, em) rather than fixed units (px). However the WAI
guidelines do say that, if you use fixed units, you must make sure that
your site is usable.
The absolute
Geoff Deering wrote:
The absolute irony here is that pixels (px) are classified as relative
units. I know, I can never get my head around this one either, but
it's
great news for those of us trying to get good layouts and address
accessibility.
A pixel is relative because it can be any
To Fix or not to Fix, dang we're back in Shakespeare's
time with To Be or Not To Be, that is the question.
Let's start with the easy stuff ... fonts.
If you use font-size: percentage, then your layer or table
layout widths should be in percentages.
If you use font-size: em, then your layer or
I often find myself in need of the Holly Hack for one reason or another.
That's about the only one I will use. I tend to stay away from the Tantek
hack if possible by not using border and padding together on divs.
Like many others who have replied to this thread, I try to not use hacks as
much
From: Geoff Deering
[snip]
If you are designing for handheld you should be considering
display:none for
the none content columns, header and footer and just be using the link
element for prev, next, etc. Some sort of minimalist
approach may be more
appropriate for that media.
actually,
Chris Blown wrote:
Its like losing your keys. I am the sort of person who still looks
for my missing keys even though I have a spare set ready to go.. I
just can seem to forget about it and find them later on, I am not
really happy until I've found the missing set... The hack here is the
Andy Budd wrote:
So I'm interested to hear what you folks think. Do you hack or are you
hack free? If you hack, what methods do you use, why do you use that
method, and more importantly, why do you need it in the first place?
I'm like you... box model, and even that, rarely. I KNOW some
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We've got a site going live next tuesday, or possibly wednesday if copy
doesn't get approved.
This site we have been working on for a massive 4 days, including
intergration with reasonably complex .net backend, and several flash
components.
Out of some 25 pages there are maybe 9 unique
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Just to pipe in on one small detail I noticed (not just in this
message, but I'll piggy back onto it here)
Normally I would say avoid using hacks by taking time to
build the css
properly,
It's often not just the CSS that needs to be changed to work
properly, but it's a case of revisiting
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G'day
As others have said, there's usually a way to avoid using hacks. I try to
steer clear of them.
I do (these days) import style sheets to hide them from V4 browsers - a
beneficial side-effect of using a perfectly acceptable method of adding CSS
to an (x)html file. Using conditional
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Yeah I know... it just that it is flash and I don't want to mess with that
yet until I get my head right to learn it
I would use it if they had the source code ready but it means that I have to
be doing it myself and I don't want to do that until I'm ready to go head on
with flash
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Wow. Cool. Awesome!
Okay, okay, I am excited about something that others may find trivial.
But, I am a newbie to CSS XHTML and just finished my first site
using both (http://www.theinnatsilverlake.com/).
Now I came across a site today that wowed me. I found it on Andy
Budd's list. The
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Lee Roberts wrote:
The purpose of variable width or elastic designs is to
help people by allowing them to increase their font size
without destroying the design.
I think the better statement of purpose is to allow the users' choices
of font sizes to work with the designs.
Your statement
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Hi Shane
It looks to me like a simple, clean page that loads fast because the graphics are
cached.
Now that you've worked with some css, you should consider creating an alternate
version of your silverlake site without the flash. The download times for your site
are painful, 43.33 seconds
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Users shouldn't need zoom, but the problem is graphic
designers think 9px font sizes should be the standard.
I'm afraid even I can't read that. So, until we get rid
of graphic designers who believe concepts such as small
font sizes is best we will continue to have the problems.
No, IE doesn't
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Hi,
Any tutorials on creating the type of navigation found at this URL:
http://www.seriocomic.com/rhetoric/
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Is there anything we can do to keep the ikon messages contained for the next 2 weeks?
He may be on a holiday, but he'll wish he wasn't when he gets back after two weeks of
these responses. If nothing else, I think we should spread some gossip like he uses
the blink tag or something like that.
Hi,
Any idea where I can find a tutorial for creating the navigation found
@ seriocomic.com?
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Here, here! I second Ted. It's getting very annoying!
I can't stand it until August 14th.
Shane
On Jul 30, 2004, at 2:14 PM, Ted Drake wrote:
Is there anything we can do to keep the ikon messages contained for
the next 2 weeks? He may be on a holiday, but he'll wish he wasn't
when he gets
Hi,
Any idea where I can find a tutorial for creating the navigation found
at seriocomic.com ?
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I simply set up a filter for his messages - I'll take the filter back
off after 14 August.
Leslie
Ted Drake wrote:
Is there anything we can do to keep the ikon messages contained for the next 2 weeks?
He may be on a holiday, but he'll wish he wasn't when he gets back after two weeks of
these
I know he has a tutorial for his sidebar -
http://www.seriocomic.com/rhetoric/posts/2004/04/27/the-one-about-the-collapsable-sidebar/
- but I'm not sure about the main navigation.
Nikita
http://kitta.net
Wasabi wrote:
Hi,
Any idea where I can find a tutorial for creating the navigation found
@
-Original Message-
From: Patrick Lauke
From: Geoff Deering
[snip]
If you are designing for handheld you should be considering
display:none for
the none content columns, header and footer and just be using the link
element for prev, next, etc. Some sort of minimalist
Hi,
Thanks for the link, sorry for the double-post, my ISP is returning and
send messages at the same time. Time for a change.
C
On Friday, July 30, 2004, at 01:57 PM, Nikita Kashner wrote:
I know he has a tutorial for his sidebar -
-Original Message-
From: Andy Budd
Sent: Saturday, 31 July 2004 2:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts
Some very interesting discussion point here.
I think the topic of fixed vs flexible layouts tends to cover a number
of areas.
-
Geoff Deering wrote:
I'm quite sure that when the WCAG authors say absolute units they
are
talking about pixels. If my memory serves me correctly, they more or
less say this. Again, it's open to interpretation, but we all know
what
they're getting at, really.
No, that is not correct,
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Griffiths
[snip]
I don't see what the big deal is. You can just take a pixel-laden layout
and replace values with suitable ems values. Why isn't this realistic?
until we have fully supported scalable vectors, images will either not
resize
(changing
It's not difficult to test... just try navigating your site/filling
out your form and see what happens. For a site that really needs to
set the tabindex, check out the new Australian white pages redesign...
http://www.whitepages.com.au - try searching for a phone number using
only the keyboard.
Maybe you mean Nice Titles. link:
http://www.kryogenix.org/code/browser/nicetitle/
ciao,
Z
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Nikita Kashner wrote:
I know he has a
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Would somebody uns*bscribe this
quote And before anyone gets too harsh, think how you'd like to be treated
when you accidently commit the same sin.
Thanks,
Ben
WSG Core/quote
Personally, I'd hope someone reamed me a new one for being so ignorant so
that I would learn - not all lists or people are as forgiving of the
stupidity
-Original Message-
From: Patrick Griffiths
Geoff Deering wrote:
I'm quite sure that when the WCAG authors say absolute units they
are
talking about pixels. If my memory serves me correctly, they more or
less say this. Again, it's open to interpretation, but we all know
what
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