Re: [WSG] Joe does Oz

2004-09-16 Thread Joseph Lindsay
While the list is probably the best place to start this, it's probably not the best place to carry it on. Anyone that wants to meetup before/during/after WE04 leave comments here: http://josephlindsay.com/ Gmail invites - just ask nicely ** The

FW: [WSG] Problems with fluid tables in css layout

2004-09-16 Thread Jason Bayly
Leslie you're a legend, That fixed it, I added the JS include just recently as that is what hostway want u to add to enable their "enhanced" web stats product called Urchin. For the life of me at the time I didn't put 2 and 2 together and pick it up, I couldn't remember killing my style sheet. I t

RE: [WSG] Problems with fluid tables in css layout

2004-09-16 Thread Jason Bayly
Leslie you're a legend, That fixed it, I added the JS include just recently as that is what hostway want u to add to enable their "enhanced" web stats product called Urchin. For the life of me at the time I didn't put 2 and 2 together and pick it up, I couldn't remember killing my style sheet. I t

Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Justin French
On 17/09/2004, at 12:12 AM, Siteman DA - Bent Inge wrote: Hi there! U should really take a look at the FCKeditor, a sourceforge project. At Siteman we use this for our CMS and it works great. Check it out at http://www.fckeditor.net/ - it's free as well. Doesn't work in Firefox, doesn't work in Saf

Re: [WSG] Joe does Oz

2004-09-16 Thread Darren Wood
Cameron Adams wrote: Yeah, a few 8:30AM beers would go down nicely ;o] amen, brother! ;) D http://www.webdeveloper.co.nz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards

Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF

2004-09-16 Thread Matt Andrews
... and, if you're using the Web Developer extension, Firefox has a huge advantage over Mozilla: the "Edit CSS" feature - a must for any CSS developer! load a page, choose "Edit CSS", and a sidebar opens with the CSS files. edit them and see the results *instantly* in the browser. save the CSS f

Re: [WSG] Problems with fluid tables in css layout

2004-09-16 Thread Leslie Riggs
Is there a way to post a URL for us to look at? Leslie Hi All, Was just reccomended to join the group.. A quick intro my name is Jason Bayly im a CF/Flash developer in Sydney AU. Ok, im 99% completed a job.. my first one with a complete css box model layout. Anyways. 3 columns, centre is fl

[WSG] Problems with fluid tables in css layout

2004-09-16 Thread Jason Bayly
Title: Message Hi All,   Was just reccomended to join the group.. A quick intro my name is Jason Bayly im a CF/Flash developer in Sydney AU.   Ok, im 99% completed a job.. my first one with a complete css box model layout. Anyways. 3 columns, centre is fluid, looks great in the latest bro

Re: [WSG] Joe does Oz

2004-09-16 Thread Cameron Adams
Yeah, a few 8:30AM beers would go down nicely ;o] -- Cameron Adams W: www.themaninblue.com --- Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Joe > > Good to see you on the list. > > I'll also be speaking at the conference - thrilling > the audience with > the finer points of semantic markup

Re: [WSG] Joe does Oz

2004-09-16 Thread Amit Karmakar
Really looking forward to it. Less than a fortnight away from now! Yay! On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:42:38 +1000, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Joe > > Good to see you on the list. > > I'll also be speaking at the conference - thrilling the audience with > the finer points of semanti

Re: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap

2004-09-16 Thread Neerav
Looks around for who would fork out the and time involved ... cant see any ... case closed the presentation notes will be up as usual within a few days/week Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development & IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Rambling

Re: [WSG] Joe does Oz

2004-09-16 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey Joe Good to see you on the list. I'll also be speaking at the conference - thrilling the audience with the finer points of semantic markup in the hang over slot (9am on the second day). Would be good to catch up before, during or after - Coffee, beer, whatever. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty

Re: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap

2004-09-16 Thread Jad Madi
Hi why you dont make the meeting live guys ? what about live audio broadcasting ? so other can listen live On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:27:38 +1000, Herrod, Lisa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll go the Elephant stamp... > > Great work Ben and also, it was a really interesting presentation. > > Tha

RE: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap

2004-09-16 Thread Herrod, Lisa
I'll go the Elephant stamp... Great work Ben and also, it was a really interesting presentation. Thanks for all the effort involved in getting clearance to show us the site too. Lisa -Original Message- From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:12 AM To: [

Re: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap

2004-09-16 Thread Neerav
After listening to Ben's presentation I feel he deserves a big *Gold* Star for work "above and beyond the call of duty" :-) Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development & IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com

Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Vlad Alexander \(XStandard\)
Hi Mike, We'll do some research on this and I'll get back to you. If anyone got some suggestions, email me off the list - thanks. Regards, -Vlad - Original Message - From: "Michael Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: RE

Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF

2004-09-16 Thread Felix Miata
Tom Livingston wrote: > Can someone briefly sum up the differences, if any (besides the built-in > mail), between Moz 1.7.3 Mac and FF 1.0PR Mac? Both are built with the Gecko rendering engine. They also share the same networking core. So, you can expect no differences in page rendering except a

RE: [WSG] (Understandable) Myths about the W3C WAI

2004-09-16 Thread Joe Clark
Anyone that wants to participate can. Like Geoff pointed out you do not need to make the teleconferences. However, if you wish to use IRC you can and save yourself a long distance phone charge. Many people outside the USA use IRC. Except, as WAI will tell you itself, the IRC channel is merely fo

[WSG] Joe does Oz

2004-09-16 Thread Joe Clark
Well, as many of you may have heard, I'm traveling the highways, byways, and indeed hemispheres to speak at Russ and his posse's Web Essentials '04 conference. I have, as it were, an all-access pass. Now, who's up for mainlining double espresso before, during, or after the conference? Also, na

Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-09-16 Thread Joe Clark
Late to the party, I know. Isn't that always the way? * From: J Rodgers Ontario (where I am) has the Ontarians with Disabilities Act (2001) but it lacks any real teeth and doesn't suggest anything specifi Provincial-government sites must be "accessible"; this is interpreted as meaning Priori

[WSG] Moz vs. FF

2004-09-16 Thread Tom Livingston
Hi all, Can someone briefly sum up the differences, if any (besides the built-in mail), between Moz 1.7.3 Mac and FF 1.0PR Mac? Off-list responses are just dandy! TIA -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com Get FireFox > http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=1

Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

2004-09-16 Thread Jake Badger
Well that's just strange, on my ibook (system 10.3.5) with Omniweb (5.0.1) it does cause the problem. jake On 17/09/2004, at 12:21 AM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: Tom Livingston wrote: What about PS color settings. Is it possible that the color space is off? The test file I mentioned before was

RE: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Michael Kear
G'day Vlad, Thanks for posting about your XStandard editor. I've been looking at your product off-and-on for a while, and never got round to getting a hold of it and using it seriously. One thing worries me though ... with WIndowsXP SP2 supressing all active-X controls except Microsoft's, how d

[WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap

2004-09-16 Thread russ - maxdesign
Another huge night tonight at the Sydney WSG with 40 people in attendance. Thank you to all who turned up. We had two presentations: Mark Stanton talked about semantically correct mark-up and Ben Bishop talked us through a recent site that has just gone live - built with web standards, of course.

Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

2004-09-16 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Tom Livingston wrote: What about PS color settings. Is it possible that the color space is off? The test file I mentioned before was created with Fireworks, taking the default settings. Jake Badger wrote: Are you sure? When I open it in OW (5.0.1 v558.48) is seems to happen, making me think tha

Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Siteman DA - Bent Inge
Hi there! U should really take a look at the FCKeditor, a sourceforge project. At Siteman we use this for our CMS and it works great. Check it out at http://www.fckeditor.net/ - it's free as well. Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Olajide Olaolorun" <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

2004-09-16 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Thursday, Sep 16, 2004, at 18:54 Australia/Sydney, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: I made a very quick testfile [1]- a coloured square PNG in the middle of div with the same background-colour. Safari 1.2.3.v125.9 shows a difference (screenshot [2]); Omniweb 5.0 displays it correctly. Omniweb us

Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Olajide Olaolorun
Thanks guys, but most of the ones I see here don't support Mozilla/Firefox... FCK Editor looks good and it looks like they just updated it to support Mozilla, I want something that looks good you know :) Like Spaw... just that it is only for IE I want users to be able to edit in any browser...

Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Dylan Egan
Hi, If you want to have some fun, try http://bitfluxeditor.org/ It's an XML WYSIWYG editor and of course only works in Mozilla, latest versions work best, so I suggest 1.0PR for Firefox. Dylan. Hi, I was wondering if any one knows a free WYSIWYG Editor that works with both IE and Firefox or Mozil

RE: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Patrick Lauke
www.editize.com offers solid performance and (despite its limited support for any but the most common xhtml elements) value for money, if you don't mind the fact that it's a java applet. Patrick > -Original Message- > From: Olajide Olaolorun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 Septembe

Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread XStandard
Hi Olajide, Most of the in-browser editors mentioned are wrappers around the MSHTML control in IE which is just a derivative of a 5 year old version of FrontPage. Microsoft is no longer supporting or enhancing it. Any editors that have color-pickers or font-selectors do not follow best-practice

Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

2004-09-16 Thread Tom Livingston
What about PS color settings. Is it possible that the color space is off? Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com Get FireFox > http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=1 On Sep 16, 2004, at 4:54 AM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Se

Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Mark Harwood
Right, i would not class a TEXTAREA editor as a WYSIWYG editor, so hence my last reply... But for a TEXTAREA editor i would reccomend RADEditor, there was a posting a month or so ago to the list with a very in-depth review too some of the major ones out there. Check the list archives for it. Mar

Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Krassy
--- Olajide Olaolorun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, I was wondering if any one knows a free WYSIWYG > Editor that works > with both IE and Firefox or Mozilla... or any other > browser. Here's a list of WYSIWYG editors out of my bookmarks folder. Cross-browser WYSIWYG editors: [1] ActiveEdit

RE: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Michael Kear
Sorry Mark, but I don't think you're correct. Until very recently, they only worked on IE. Run the page on any other browser and you either get an error, or a plain textarea form control. And until the day before yesterday, there wasn't any I knew of that claimed to have XHTML support. Except

Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Jake Badger
I assume you mean in browser editors (rather than stand alone like DW)? HTML Area 3.0 is probably the best I've seen for free, and it works on any browser with midas support. However I don't think it enforces good coding, maybe you could get it to send the output through html tidy after editin

RE: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Michael Kear
There are some coming through now that work in Firefox too. It's been a problem because they use a proprietary control in IE. Here are some you can look at: TinyMCE http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/examples/example_simple.htm http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/examples/example_advanced.htm Dev Edit has H

Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Mark Harwood
Olajide, You question is a bit vage, any WYSIWYG editor will work on all browsers depending on the markup you input! I think your asking "which offers the best XHTML & CSS" Support? I wouldnt know, as i thrown on using them for XHTML & CSS coding, But Dreamweaver MX 2004 is supose to handly XH

[WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Olajide Olaolorun
Hi, I was wondering if any one knows a free WYSIWYG Editor that works with both IE and Firefox or Mozilla... or any other browser. The ones I have been seeing only work with IE Please help... -- Personal &Hobby: www.olajideolaolorun.com www.empirex.net Business & Projects: www.tripleolabs.

Re: [WSG] Esko Kumpunen/Interactive/Alma ei ole paikalla.

2004-09-16 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:46:21 -0700, Rick Faaberg wrote: > Or is this an 'out of office' reply? I read it as an out-of-office thingy and unsubscribed him for the duration - he can put himself back in when he gets back. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core member *

Re: [WSG] The way forward for Web Standards

2004-09-16 Thread Lorenzo Gabba @ Quirk
On Thursday 16 September 2004 08:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you think Firefox is a great product, please sign-up to > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/community/ to let your friends know about it. Good one! And I believe the latest Thunderbird has a built-in RSS reader to boot... I guess ol' M

Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

2004-09-16 Thread Jake Badger
Are you sure? When I open it in OW (5.0.1 v558.48) is seems to happen, making me think that it IS a webcore/khtml issue. On 16/09/2004, at 6:54 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Sep 16, 2004, at 4:30 pm, Jake Badger wrote: Philippe was saying that it didn't happen in OW (which uses an older ver

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-09-16 Thread Hantman, Bryan L.
Thank you for your email. I will be out of the office Thursday, September 16 and Friday, September 17. I will respond to your email when I return on Monday, September 20. For immediate assistance, please contact the Helpdesk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Bryan *

Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

2004-09-16 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Sep 16, 2004, at 4:30 pm, Jake Badger wrote: Philippe was saying that it didn't happen in OW (which uses an older version of webcore), so either it's a problem with a new build (my guess) or in the webkit framework. Hmm - as far as I remember, I did notice some strange colour shifts with PNG

Re: [WSG] Esko Kumpunen/Interactive/Alma ei ole paikalla.

2004-09-16 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 9/16/04 1:28 AM "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > Olen poissa toimistosta alkaen 16.09.2004 ja palaan vasta 24.09.2004. > > Olen kesälomalla ja palaan 24.9. Kiireisissä asioissa käänny Rami > Niittysalon puoleen. No offense hopefully, but most posts here are english.

[WSG] Esko Kumpunen/Interactive/Alma ei ole paikalla.

2004-09-16 Thread esko . kumpunen
Olen poissa toimistosta alkaen 16.09.2004 ja palaan vasta 24.09.2004. Olen kesälomalla ja palaan 24.9. Kiireisissä asioissa käänny Rami Niittysalon puoleen. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web

[WSG] Esko Kumpunen/Interactive/Alma ei ole paikalla.

2004-09-16 Thread esko . kumpunen
Olen poissa toimistosta alkaen 16.09.2004 ja palaan vasta 24.09.2004. Olen kesälomalla ja palaan 24.9. Kiireisissä asioissa käänny Rami Niittysalon puoleen. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web

Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

2004-09-16 Thread Jake Badger
Philippe was saying that it didn't happen in OW (which uses an older version of webcore), so either it's a problem with a new build (my guess) or in the webkit framework. Jake Quoting Michael Donnermeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Cameron, > > Sometimes there's an issue with the gamma difference betw

Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

2004-09-16 Thread Michael Donnermeyer
Cameron, Sometimes there's an issue with the gamma difference between Macs and PCs. I don't think that's entirely the case here. I've had some issues with images exported from Photoshop CS (probably ver. 7 too) using the 'save for web' feature or whatever it's called. That being them having