Cb2 Web Design wrote:
I have a doubt: Is it correct to use fieldset (and legend) without a
form, like you can see at the page below?
http://www.euroaccessibility.org/tf3_doc/EACTF3TestableStatements.html
Surprisingly, the W3C's validator doesn't pick it up, however, the page
has so many
What I've read is that large companies/institutions that still use Windows NT 4 also use NN4. That seems to be the problem, and these large installations don't want to update since they have fewer virus, worm, adware, etc. problems. The old if it's not broke, don't fix it idea, I think.
Best
Marilyn Langfeld wrote:
What I've read is that large companies/institutions that still use
Windows NT 4 also use NN4. That seems to be the problem, and these
large installations don't want to update since they have fewer virus,
worm, adware, etc. problems. The old if it's not broke, don't fix
Mordechai Peller wrote:
But NN4 IS broke! They could update to Firefox while still avoiding the
viruses, etc.
True, but: have you tried running FF on an old win95 or NT4 machine with
a 486 or Pentium I at any kind of reasonable speed? Heck, my PIII-800 groans
every time I fire up the fox...
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I wasn't justifying, just describing what I've read. I think it stinks, too.
Best regards,
Marilyn Langfeld
http://www.langfeldesigns.com
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On Dec 5, 2004, at 7:53 AM, Mordechai Peller wrote:
Marilyn
Actually at our university NN4 still has a significant place. It has to
do with the way IS services are rendered - very decentralized. This
leaves a free for all and pockets where there have been no upgrades
since Adam was a cowboy.
Joe Huggins
Colorado Area Health Education Center (AHEC)
1976
I will be out of the office starting 04/12/2004 and will not return until
03/01/2005.
I am in Perth at a conference and then resting. I'll see you in the New
Year, and wish you seasons greetings, appropriate to your relegious and
spiritual traditions.
Richard Spence wrote:
In my opinion a simple string of a/a would work just fine. The
information that you are trying to display is not really a list.
I strongly disagree. Breadcrumbs are most definitely a list of links;
they're even normally represented as a horizontal list. A list,
according
Hi Good People,
Is their a cross browser solution to adding list separators, eg pipes ('|')
to inline lists using only CSS, or does one have to add them in the markup
outside the anchor tag within the list item ?
Since joining the list about a month ago, I have learned so much (Thankyou
all). It
* Giving himself a slap on the forehead *
Since posting this, an obvious use of left/right borders has popped into my
head.
Sorry for the unneeded post.. But if people have other methods I would love
to hear them.
PF
I previously wrote:
Hi Good People,
Is their a cross browser solution to
Whoa. alright, well, I literally just did something like this. code
I ended up using
ul {
list-style-type: none;
}
li {
border-left: 1px solid black;
padding-left: 7px;
margin-left: 5px;
display: inline;
}
not really a pipe, but it looks like it.
hope this is of some use
~j
On Mon, 6
I've been using reverse source order (content + nav) for quite a while.
It has some side benefits such as: more content above the fold in the
first screen for text only and CSS-less UA's, and better results in some
(usually in-house) search engines (i.e less likly to get back results
based on
*grin*
That's what it's all about, Paul -- you're thinking along different
lines now (no pun intended). I've been doing the same thing, and I love
it! :)
I found the following on A List Apart that you may find helpful. Search
the page for pipe and you'll see something that you can use.
Jonathan T. Sage wrote:
Whoa. alright, well, I literally just did something like this. code
I ended up using
ul {
list-style-type: none;
}
Unless I'm mistaken, once you set list items to display inline,
it automatically disabled the bullet, so this should be unnecessary.
--
Patrick H. Lauke
Thankyou John,
I should have known to go to ALA ! It really is a great site.
*grin*
That's what it's all about, Paul -- you're thinking along
different lines now (no pun intended). I've been doing the
same thing, and I love it! :)
I found the following on A List Apart that you may
Hello folks,
I'm not 100% sure if it's appropriate on the list. If it isn't then
please forgive me.
I've written an article with my thoughts on content management systems.
Maybe it's interesting for some of you to read. I'm also curious about
how other web developers think about the issues I
ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED
Reason:
The mail list does not cover: Discussion of content management/web
publishing system issues beyond those directly involved with Web Standards
http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm
So, if you have comments, please answer Marco off-list.
For those
Jonathan T. Sage wrote:
http://theatre.msu.edu/Productions/smcallboard.php
Is this a table of information about archived e-mails?
3 pieces of information per item, so a table is probably the most
appropriate way of marking this up.
--
Patrick H. Lauke
I asked this question on WSG before and there was some interesting options.
http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg08838.html
Regards
Gavin
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Hi All,
Was after some opinions on forcing links to open in new windows.
Hoping this isn't off topic. Not sure that its strictly 'standards' but more
along the lines of accessability/usability, which go pretty much hand in
hand with standards anyway.
I read lots of articles saying that
On 6/12/04 5:32 AM, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard Spence wrote:
In my opinion a simple string of a/a would work just fine. The
information that you are trying to display is not really a list.
I strongly disagree. Breadcrumbs are most definitely a list of links;
As a way to nicely tie up this little thread... :o)
Once you've put your border-left 1 pixel, use the DOM to find the UL
(perhaps through an ID) and remove the first LI's border.
IF JavaScript is turned off - you're no worse off...
function listBorderKill() {
if
Well, after playing, I did actually decide to take it to a list. A
bit of the NN4 test and i just liked the idea of using an ordered list
better.
the new one:
http://thr.msu.edu/Productions/smcallboard.php
vs. the old:
http://thr.msu.edu/Productions/smcbold.php
I think the ol styles a bit
Hello -
I'm currently really, really trying to remove or rework the last few
things in a legacy design. Overall, I'd say i'm around 98% of the way
there. 1% or work, and 1% of things I'll need to live with until I
redesign.
My question lies on this page:
Is there a link to the archives on the WSG site ?
If not then maybe there should be one ?
I asked the same question a few months ago. I suggest you
check the archives. There was some good discussion.
~john
_
Dr. Zeus Web Development
http://www.DrZeus.net
Sorry, my apologies. It helps if I log in.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Farrell
Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 10:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] New Windows
Is there a link to the archives on the WSG site
On 6/12/04 10:12 AM, Jonathan T. Sage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think for this argument, I would go towards the analogy of driving
directions.
1.) Go to the Home page
2.) go the the sub-section etc.
Just my thought.
As for your comment about sentences as lists, everybody knows
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
3 pieces of information per item, so a table is probably the most
appropriate way of marking this up.
While in theory you are probably right, practically speaking, a list is
easier to style.
For example:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
Mordechai Peller wrote:
While in theory you are probably right, practically speaking, a list is
easier to style.
However, in terms of accessibility for screenreader users, it's a lot
easier to navigate a table (if you're just concentrating on one of the
items, e.g. date) than a list. But of
Paul Farrell wrote:
Firstly, should one force new windows? Following the principle of 'Let the
User' decide, I guess not. But, do the bulk of internet users know how to
open links in new windows or tabs ? Do they know they have a choice ?
Should it matter how many do or don't? What about the
Kevin Futter wrote:
I don't buy the argument that breadcrumbs *have to be* structured as lists.
Why? Because they're not a collection of loosely-related list items, like a
shopping list or such; rather, a unit of breadcrumbs collectively delineates
a *path* to a resource (without resorting to
Genau Junior wrote:
The problem is that even thought i put the ampersands, the code isn´t
validate, becouse the generator of advert, generates dinmic url ´s,
whithout my control.
Can anyone help me how i can fix this problem and validate my code
using ampersands generated by advertpro?
-Original Message-
From: Mordechai Peller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 11:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs
A sentence isn't a collection of related item because each word is
dependent on the rest of the sentence to give
Excellent discussion over at Simple Bits Simple Quiz: breadcrumbs -
http://www.simplebits.com/bits/simplequiz/#entry634
Pretty much covers all the arguments.
Natalie
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:56:50 +1100, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 6/12/04 11:09 AM, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Futter wrote:
I don't buy the argument that breadcrumbs *have to be* structured as lists.
Why? Because they're not a collection of loosely-related list items, like a
shopping list or such; rather, a unit of breadcrumbs
Kevin Futter wrote:
Yes, breadcrumb elements are strongly related in exactly the same way that
sentence elements (i.e. words) are; and sentences can be rendered with
precise meaning even if some words are omitted (prepositions, conjunctions,
most adverbs, many adjectives).
Not at all in the same
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
Mordechai, according to your explanation a breadcrumb is not a list, as you
cannot simply take any of the items out of a breadcrumb. Each item in a
breadcrumb is closely related to the preceeding item.
Except I also said the order of an ordered list imparts
On 12/5/04 7:53 PM Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:
List aren't two-dimensional, they're one-dimensional, but bent through
two dimensions. Just as the surface of a ball is only two-dimensional,
yet it's bent into three dimensions.
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On 6/12/04 2:23 PM, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Futter wrote:
Yes, breadcrumb elements are strongly related in exactly the same way that
sentence elements (i.e. words) are; and sentences can be rendered with
precise meaning even if some words are omitted (prepositions,
Rick Faaberg wrote:
If you leave any nodes out, you've lost your way.
That's because your missing information; however, each individual link
is unchanged.
Again, a word isn't very useful outside the context of a sentence,
however a link is just as useful.
--
No virus found in this outgoing
I now need the semantic markup for the can of worms I've opened. ;)
Rick Faaberg wrote:
If you leave any nodes out, you've lost your way.
That's because your missing information; however, each
individual link is unchanged.
Again, a word isn't very useful outside the context of a
This discussion has finally convinced me that breadcrumb trails should
not be marked up as lists.
Without the entire path, it doesn't matter where the actual href goes.
For instance: I tell a user that the file they want is in the folder
widgets. They go looking for their file in c:/widgets.
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Futter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 3:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs
And therein
lies the rub: lists are one-dimensional, as you yourself point out
elsewhere; breadcrumbs attempt to
Kevin Futter wrote:
I see breadcrumbs as a complete unit - just as a file path is a complete unit;
take out a component and you render it useless.
Breadcrumbs and sentences are both whole units, but units of what? Since
their component parts are of a different nature, the resulting mark-up
On 6/12/04 4:04 PM, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Futter wrote:
Less important doesn't mean not important.
Exactly, which is why I didn't say not important ...
And therein lies the rub: lists are one-dimensional, as you yourself point
out
elsewhere; breadcrumbs attempt
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