[WSG] [Possibly OT] Conundrum between attribution VS disclosure for results of work

2005-05-02 Thread Neerav
Hi I am in a conundrum at the moment and dont know which right is legally stronger out of attribution VS disclosure attribution = the right to be identified as the creator of material (ie: my right) disclosure = the right to determine if and when material is made public (right of the

Re: [WSG] [Possibly OT] Conundrum between attribution VS disclosure for results of work

2005-05-02 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 2 May 2005, at 4:41 PM, Neerav wrote: Since this is Possibly OT Possibly?! ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Padding tables in IE

2005-05-02 Thread Peter Ottery
Andreas wrote: I am having difficulties getting IE to give a table a padding-left. I dont think adding padding to the table itself is going to be reliable - as youve found out :) I'd say that what you want to do is add padding to the cell/s of the table. If you want to add padding to one column

Re: [WSG] Firefox bug?

2005-05-02 Thread Ingo Chao
Gene Falck schrieb: ... I just checked on the 269840 bug and it sounds as if it might be related to a nuisance problem I've been seeing in a huge local app (my work notes)... My problem isn't lines but rather an occasional vertical doubling of the background image I am using for LI bullets. The

Re: [WSG] disappearing element in page

2005-05-02 Thread Ingo Chao
Carl Reynolds schrieb: ... if I narrow the IE window enough that a horizontal scroll bar appears and refresh, or go to the page for the first time, the menu area (on the left) disappears. If I then widen the window far enough for the scroll bar to go away, the menu appears and remains visible,

RE: [WSG] Padding tables in IE

2005-05-02 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
Gee, that's a new one to me! Is col a HTML 4 tag? I've never come across it. Then again: haven't worked with tables in a while. Thanks, I'll give it a try! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Ottery Sent: Monday, 2

Re: [WSG] disappearing element in page

2005-05-02 Thread Ingo Chao
Ingo Chao schrieb: Carl Reynolds schrieb: http://hyperbole-software.com/movie-buzz/ http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/tmp/disappearingcontent.html And I think the problem (the a. p. menu is disappearing in IE6 and IE5.5 on reload) is triggered when the floated div#center-layout's margin-left: any

[WSG] Mystery connection of css and non-liquid design

2005-05-02 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
Something I find really strange is that a lot of people who put emphasis on Web Standards suddenly found their way back to non-liquid, 800px, centered design. I am wondering why that is? The majority of pages that show up in this group for review display some kind of centered design with 800px

Re: [WSG] Jumping text in FF and Netscape

2005-05-02 Thread Cole Kuryakin - x7m
Bert - Specifying the height and width of the small images fixed the problem. Thanks! Yeah, I know the home page shot is HUGE - Client demanded it after much effort on my behalf to talk him out of it. Win some, you lose some. I know I shouldn't spec font sizes in px, but I'm confused about the

RE: [WSG] Mystery connection of css and non-liquid design

2005-05-02 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vicki Berry Sent: Monday, 2 May 2005 9:05 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Mystery connection of css and non-liquid design I can't speak for anyone else but as displays

Re: [WSG] Mystery connection of css and non-liquid design

2005-05-02 Thread Ingo Chao
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] schrieb: Something I find really strange is that a lot of people who put emphasis on Web Standards suddenly found their way back to non-liquid, 800px, centered design. I am wondering why that is? Andreas, there is a long discussion with many comments in some

Re: [WSG] Padding tables in IE

2005-05-02 Thread Peter Ottery
Andreas Boehmer wrote: Gee, that's a new one to me! Is col a HTML 4 tag? I've never come acrossit. absolutely, a quick googling turns this article up - looks like quite a good rundown... http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/tables/tablesaccessibility.html or theres always the w3c spec if youre up for

Re: [WSG] Mystery connection of css and non-liquid design

2005-05-02 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Something I find really strange is that a lot of people who put emphasis on Web Standards suddenly found their way back to non-liquid, 800px, centered design. I am wondering why that is? Makes me wonder too. :-) I find this amazing: when I browse the web

Re: [WSG] Mystery connection of css and non-liquid design

2005-05-02 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
and I found this answer (Fixed or fluid width? Elastic!) here I was going to say so... Elastic design ! As Ingo noted, there is quite a bit of discussion on the subject. Besides the usual arguments, one aspect I haven't seen mentioned often. Webcontent is seen on a variety of displays : mobile

Re: [WSG] Mystery connection of css and non-liquid design

2005-05-02 Thread Peter Ottery
On 5/2/05, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Something I find really strange is that a lot of people who put emphasis on Web Standards suddenly found their way back to non-liquid, 800px, centered design. I am wondering why that is? i really admire a

[WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

2005-05-02 Thread tee
I have a horizontal menu done in CSS with set current option. menu 1 || menu 2 || menu 3 || menu 4 || menu 5 || menu 6 || but now my client wants to insert drop-down menu in menu 4 button. This can easily be done with DHTML menu that I have from Project Seven, but I really prefer

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

2005-05-02 Thread Chris Gandolfo
Just so you're not ostracized by the group, I'll provide this handy little link about what dhtml is and isn't. Check out the section under DHTML is NOT a W3C Standard. http://www.w3schools.com/dhtml/dhtml_intro.asp On 5/2/05, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a horizontal menu done in CSS

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

2005-05-02 Thread Thierry Koblentz
tee wrote: Seven, but I really prefer to stay with css menu as it delivers cleaner code. I was thinking perhaps I can insert one dhtml menu in Son of suckerfish dropdowns: http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ I'm a bit biased about this one:

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

2005-05-02 Thread Michael Wilson
tee wrote: I have a horizontal menu done in CSS with set current option. menu 1 || menu 2 || menu 3 || menu 4 || menu 5 || menu 6 || but now my client wants to insert drop-down menu in menu 4 button. This can easily be done with DHTML menu that I have from Project Seven, but I

[WSG] recreating a table form with simple floating

2005-05-02 Thread Drake, Ted C.
That's not so difficult input/label for=inputa object name/aspanred stuff/span text/label Repeat. In the style sheet, you know how wide your fieldset is going to be, let's say 500px. Give your label and check box a width that ends up being half the distance: Label:width:225px checkbox

Re: [WSG] recreating a table form with simple floating

2005-05-02 Thread Peter J. Farrell
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:41:11 +0100, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to create a complex online order form that look something like this: http://www.melsmarket.com/cgi-bin/orderonline.cgi All I have to say, is... Tidy: 486 warnings, 7 errors - Too many warnings to display -- Peter J. Farrell

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

2005-05-02 Thread tee
If you take the implementation of your navigation one step further and give your top-level navigation items (menu 4 for example) a home page that also provides the links found in the dropdown, IE users with JavaScript turned off can still easily navigate the site with only one additional

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

2005-05-02 Thread tee
Thanks Thierry, I was at your site yesterday reading your tjkdesign dropdown tutorial. It definitely looks promising (works for IE 5.2 Mac) but I wasn't sure if I can borrow the code to my client' website as I don't see the CC license logo. Anything that requires my client pay more than what is

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

2005-05-02 Thread Michael Wilson
tee wrote: Thanks! Not trying to discredit the effort of SOS creator, but it doesn't work for IE 5.2 Mac, it's out of question. I don't think SoS not working in Mac IE 5.2 is a discredit even if you were trying. :) Personally, I've never given it too much thought. Regardless, if you use the

[WSG] Standards-based Hit Counter

2005-05-02 Thread standards
Dear Group, I hope this is on-topic. I recently persuaded a client to convert their table-based design to a standards CSS-based design using XHTML Strict. The entire site validates. However, despite my strong oppisition they want to implement a Hit Counter, and I'm concerned that it will produce

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

2005-05-02 Thread tee
tee wrote: doesn't work for IE 5.2 Mac, it's out of question. I believe it doesn't work in NN6 either. Tee, I've sent you an email off-list, let me know if you don't get it. Thanks Thierry, Sorry I didn't response. Was caught up with a lengthy conversation with client over the phone when

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

2005-05-02 Thread Michael Wilson
Thierry Koblentz wrote: tee wrote: doesn't work for IE 5.2 Mac, it's out of question. I believe it doesn't work in NN6 either. It works in NN6 Win, but I'm not sure about NN on Mac; that fix link I posted earlier has a listing of tested browsers. -- Best regards, M. Wilson

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

2005-05-02 Thread Michael Wilson
Thierry Koblentz wrote: tee wrote: doesn't work for IE 5.2 Mac, it's out of question. I believe it doesn't work in NN6 either. It works in NN6 Win, but I'm not sure about NN on Mac; that fix link I posted earlier has a listing of tested browsers. -- Best regards, M. Wilson

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

2005-05-02 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Michael Wilson wrote: It works in NN6 Win, but I'm not sure about NN on Mac; that fix link I posted earlier has a listing of tested browsers. Michael, I've tested this page [1] in NN v6.2.3 on XPPro and it does not work. Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com [1]

Re: [WSG] Mystery connection of css and non-liquid design

2005-05-02 Thread Felix Miata
Vicki Berry wrote: I can't speak for anyone else but as displays (monitors/resolution) get larger and larger, liquid designs (IMO) start to look ridiculous. Text is easier to read in short stretches than in loong lines across a page. It's an accessibility thing. It need

[WSG] Re: Padding tables in IE

2005-05-02 Thread Ned Collyer
Andreas, You have: #draft table{padding:0 15px 0 25px;} Ideally with div id=draft table /table /div you want to either add padding to #draft or margin to the #draft table Padding puts space inside between the element and its content Margin sets amount of space outside an element. (in

[WSG] float (?) problem with Safari

2005-05-02 Thread Gallagher, Robin
Hi I've got a 3-column layout, with dropdown menus, here: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~persia/final/test.html The left right cols are floated. This seems to work ok in IE, Moz Firefox on PC and Moz NN7 on Mac. Safari doesn't like it, however and pops the left col out to the right side of the

RE: [WSG] Re: Padding tables in IE

2005-05-02 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ned Collyer Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2005 1:57 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Re: Padding tables in IE Andreas, You have: #draft table{padding:0 15px 0 25px;} Ideally with div

Re: [WSG] float (?) problem with Safari

2005-05-02 Thread Leslie Riggs
Hello Robin, As is customary, I ran your site through the W3C validator. It shows that there is no doctype declaration, and there are 13 validation errors, most related to the lack of a doctype declaration. Fixing those might not fix your problem but it'll ensure your code is more standards

Re: [WSG] float (?) problem with Safari

2005-05-02 Thread tee
I've got a 3-column layout, with dropdown menus, here: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~persia/final/test.html The left right cols are floated. This seems to work ok in IE, Moz Firefox on PC and Moz NN7 on Mac. Safari doesn't like it, however and pops the left col out to the right side of