Re: [WSG] Holy Grail - with padding!

2006-02-02 Thread Designer
Thierry Koblentz wrote: Something like this: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/3cols/ ? Marvellous! Yes - exactly like that! Thanks for sharing. Bob McClelland Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?

2006-02-02 Thread alejandro poch
Hi Roberto Take a look at W3C tips Care With Font Size http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/font-size Salu2 Roberto Santana wrote: Hello, Which unit is better for web site font size? em px % ... Thanks! Roberto Santana ** The

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

2006-02-02 Thread Wendy
Pete, You've seen this, right? http://snippetz.net/ Cheers, Wendy Peter Ottery wrote: I *think* what i'm talking about it different. i'm just thinking more along the lines of a library of cut'n'paste chunks of re-usable code.. ** The

Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?

2006-02-02 Thread Roberto Santana
thanks, very interesting article. Regards, R. Santana alejandro poch escribió: Hi Roberto Take a look at W3C tips Care With Font Size http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/font-size Salu2 Roberto Santana wrote: Hello, Which unit is better for web site font size? em px % ... Thanks! Roberto

Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?

2006-02-02 Thread Hopkins Programming
Use em or %. Em is probably the best, but since IE6 has font-size:large as the default, using font-size:1em for the body makes stuff look big in IE. I usually use %'s. These work well, like the em, but it compensates for IE's larger-than-normal font size. --ZacharyOn 2/2/06, Roberto Santana

[WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-02 Thread Jay Gilmore
Hi WSG'rs, I want to put the call out for submissions for a business case for web standards for small business. I have reviewed a number of articles (referenced below) to find some compelling argument for web standards that could be communicated to the small business community. Currently

Re: [WSG] HTML Restructuring of hopkinsprogramming.net

2006-02-02 Thread Hopkins Programming
If there are any of you all who use screen readers or text-only browsers on a regular basis, what is your opinion? - Do you expect the navigation or content to come first? - Which would you prefer to come first? - If the content comes first, should there be a Skip to Navigation link at the top? -

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-02 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/2/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a way to make small business owners see that they have now sane alternative but to use web standards, not tell them they will be ahead of the curve or save $100/year on hosting. I'll think of more arguments later, but I can

[WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-02 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Following a bug report (not in the script, but in a browser), I have made a few changes to the original solution; it now uses images and seems to work in everything but Opera 6.05. http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/toggle_elements.asp Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-02 Thread Jay Gilmore
Christian, I wholeheartedly agree with you points but I want to go beyond the argument of separation of information and presentation markup. I am talking about coding using the whole of standards based documents. That portion is an easy sell. I am really talking about form and usage of

Re: [WSG] HTML Restructuring of hopkinsprogramming.net

2006-02-02 Thread Terrence Wood
On 3 Feb 2006, at 4:43 AM, Hopkins Programming wrote: If there are any of you all who use screen readers or text-only browsers on a regular basis, what is your opinion? - Do you expect the navigation or content to come first? Roger and Russ answer this one in their report. In summary, the

[WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Angus at InfoForce Services
This is probvably off topic for this list so please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hav a nine page PDF file loaded into Acrobat 7.0. And when I try File /Save as text the text file is not good. The PDF file is an article to be posted on a web site. What is the best web standard approach and

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote: This is probvably off topic for this list so please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hav a nine page PDF file loaded into Acrobat 7.0. And when I try File /Save as text the text file is not good. Define not good. If it's the text is all over the place, this

RE: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Conyers, Dwayne, Mr [C]
Angus at InfoForce Services ink wired: The PDF file is an article to be posted on a web site. What is the best web standard approach and instructions You can embed the PDF with code like this: [object classid=clsid:CA8A9780-280D-11CF-A24D-44455354 width=??? height=???

[WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

2006-02-02 Thread Web Man Walking
Title: Standards Savvy Shopping Cart Hello I am looking for a web standards friendly shopping cart for an upcoming project. I have had a look but not had much luck, previously used CactusASP but the amount of spurious and unnecessary HTML will not have me calling again. Would appreciate

Re: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

2006-02-02 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Web Man Walking wrote: I am looking for a web standards friendly shopping cart for an upcoming project. I have had a look but not had much luck, previously used CactusASP but the amount of spurious and unnecessary HTML will not have me calling again. TradingEye is quite nice

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Conyers, Dwayne, Mr [C] wrote: You can embed the PDF with code like this: Eek...it's already bad enough when a PDF opens in the browser-based viewer, rather than the full Acrobat application. I'd say, as it's not a web native format, that the best strategy would be to just link to the PDF

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Another option is to copy the text out of the PDF and stick it on the page. I personally hate PDF's on sites (annoying to read). Especially multi-page versions. Just think how that text would help your page rank for that page if it wasn't a PDF...just a thought! Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-02 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
A point I often bring up is that using standards ensures that anyone can jump in and work on the site (looking forward), the whole future-proofing issue, and my personal favorite thing to do is open up sites in Firefox and strip off all styles (in the web dev toolbar) to show them the squeaky

Re: [WSG] HTML Restructuring of hopkinsprogramming.net

2006-02-02 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
I personally would expect the page to appear as any typical printed document should. Page Title (your h1 element) Table of Contents (your ul nav list) Content (content) My 2 cents. Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Terrence Wood

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Stephen Stagg
On 2 Feb 2006, at 20:57, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: (and ideally force a download via appropriate MIME settings on the server to send it as an octet stream). Doing so would override the local browser's setting. Is this 'a good thing'? I would have thought that trying to force the browser

Re: [WSG] HTML Restructuring of hopkinsprogramming.net

2006-02-02 Thread Stephen Stagg
On 2 Feb 2006, at 21:33, Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: I personally would expect the page to appear as any typical printed document should. Page Title (your h1 element) Table of Contents (your ul nav list) Content (content) That is a good ethos when designing for monitor-based

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Joshua Street
Yes, it's a good thing. PDF's aren't web pages. This is the distinction between a web site and a web application: applications are 'expected' to have 'application-like' behaviour (such as new windows, etc.). Also, PDF content rarely has the _behaviour_ of a web page (rich hyperlink

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Joshua Street wrote: Also I wasn't aware of way to override browser object settings for PDF files easily -- by all means feel free to correct me, but I doubt very much users do this by 'preference' one way or another. It's something that need to be set in Acrobat's preferences (under the

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Joshua Street
Ah, righto. Linux user here, apologies... it's obviously simpler on other desktop systems ;-) On 2/3/06, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Street wrote: Also I wasn't aware of way to override browser object settings for PDF files easily -- by all means feel free to correct

Re: [WSG] HTML Restructuring of hopkinsprogramming.net

2006-02-02 Thread Terrence Wood
Joseph R. B. Taylor said: I personally would expect the page to appear as any typical printed document should. Page Title (your h1 element) Table of Contents (your ul nav list) Content (content) A typical printed document doesn't have a table of contents on every page. It's usally appears

[WSG] Gaps At The Top

2006-02-02 Thread White Ash
Title: Message Hi all ~ There's a gap at the top of the page in Firefox Opera, but not in IE. I would like that gap to go away! Then in Firefox Opera, the navigation comes down a bit, and I actually like that! How to get the best of both worlds??!!

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

2006-02-02 Thread John Allsopp
Pete, Joshua wrote http://webpatterns.org/ *checks it out* ok, so the term patterns is potentially a too far advanced term for what i'm thinking of. all that microformat and machine readable data stuff is certainly interesting (Allsopp - i can hear you screaming about it from here ;-)

Re: [WSG] Gaps At The Top

2006-02-02 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
White Ash wrote: There's a gap at the top of the page in Firefox Opera, but not in IE. I would like that gap to go away! Then in Firefox Opera, the navigation comes down a bit, and I actually like that! How to get the best of both worlds??!!

RE: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-02 Thread Focas, Grant
It's very nice Thierry. IE/Mac cannot access it via keyboard though. The only way I see around it is: a) Ignore IE/Mac as it's now officially unsupported b) Add an onkeypress event, check for enter key, do stuff. Messy. Grant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

2006-02-02 Thread Jan Brasna
CubeCart or Zen Cart may also be fine. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Marilyn Langfeld
I'm going to stick my neck out here folks... PDF presentation on the web is getting better. Example: http:// www.bamagazine.com/?Click=40472 I tried to download one of the pdfs (in Safari 2.0.3) and it opened instead. I actually preferred reading it in Safari to opening Acrobat and reading

[WSG] Questions about Data Tables and Accessibility

2006-02-02 Thread Kat
Hehehe I found something productive to do! For a Good While Now I have been covering my eyes with my hands and singing la la la at the top of my lungs to avoid the fact I don't really know how to construct accessible data tables. So I sat down with an old data table that has another

Re: [WSG] Questions about Data Tables and Accessibility

2006-02-02 Thread Seona Bellamy
Well, I can't answer all of your questions, but I'll do what I can to get the ball rolling. :) 2. How to tell when one table or two tables is better? When is it better to split up the data? What happens if you have two columns with the same name? Is this badtable structure? I have two colgroups

RE: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?

2006-02-02 Thread Geoff Pack
Pixels per inch (PPI) That's what I like about standards. The rest of the world uses the Metric system, yet we are stuck with these archaic units because the U.S. refuses to get with the program. How's that for a 'moral high horse'? ;) cheers, Geoff. -Original Message- From:

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Joshua Street
My biggest concern is PDF's lack of hypertext structure. At present, it can do outbound links, it can even do web forms, but there's no way to link to an anchor within a document. Hence, to address it as though it were just another webpage is, to me, detaching hypertext from the web. HTML =

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Marilyn Langfeld wrote: And Adobe is adding accessibility aids (depends on the designer to implement them though). Worth mentioning though that the accessibility enhancements (like the way that a screenreader can access the content of a PDF in a sensible manner) only apply to the standalone

Re: [WSG] Background-Image download order

2006-02-02 Thread Todd Baker
Thanks Terrence Wood, yes the nav items work with images turned off, they have a bg color as well as an image. Jay Gilmore, www.smh.com.au has most of their images in these files -- http://www.smh.com.au/css/2005/img/sprite_section-strap.gif http://www.smh.com.au/css/2005/img/sprite_li.gif Not

Re: [WSG] Questions about Data Tables and Accessibility

2006-02-02 Thread Terrence Wood
Hi Kat, I'll paraphrase while attempting to answer abbreviation for number? abbr title=numberno./abbr When is two tables better than one? When you have a logical grouping that shares some attributes, but the data makes sense when presented as a stand-alone table. When is it better to

Re: [WSG] pdf graphics

2006-02-02 Thread jackie reid
Bruce If you own a copy of Adobe Acrobat and open the file in there you can extract/export images as jpgs. if not do screen shots. Its a pain... just like getting all the images required for a website embedded in a word doc aagh jackie - Original Message - From: Bruce [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] pdf graphics

2006-02-02 Thread Dmitry Baranovskiy
Or you could open PDF files in Adobe Photoshop. The quality should be the same. Dmitry jackie reid wrote: Bruce If you own a copy of Adobe Acrobat and open the file in there you can extract/export images as jpgs. if not do screen shots. Its a pain... just like getting all the images

Re: [WSG] Gaps At The Top

2006-02-02 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Adding a margin: 0px; to the H1 element pushed up to the top. Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] White Ash wrote: Hi all ~ There's a gap at the top of the page in Firefox Opera, but not in IE. I would like that gap to go away!

Re: [WSG] pdf graphics

2006-02-02 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
It's also worth mentioning that many other readers exist besides Acrobat. The feature-rich Acrobat features may not apply to all the readers. It may be a mute point since just about everyone uses Acrobat, but... Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL

[WSG] IE7 Beta 2 Preview

2006-02-02 Thread Al Sparber
We'll try to add to these as time goes by and also expand it to include not just bugs, but new CSS capabilities, as well as (and hopefully) fix reports :-) http://www.projectseven.com/csslab/ie7/ -- Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling

Re: [WSG] Gaps At The Top

2006-02-02 Thread russ - maxdesign
Adding a margin: 0px; to the H1 element pushed up to the top. Remember, every time you add units to a 0 value, a web standards fairy dies. To avoid this on your conscience, simply use margin: 0;. Apart from the lives you could save, think of the bandwidth savings! Russ Web standards shetland

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-02 Thread Ben Bishop
On 2/3/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to go beyond the argument of separation of information and presentation markup. What sort of resistance are you facing here? I.e. why are you arguing in the first place? That portion is an easy sell. I am really talking about form and usage of