Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-27 Thread tee
On Nov 26, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Ben Lau wrote: try white-space:normal...? Thanks a lot. This works. James, I accidentally deleted your message and empty my trash, so I am replying to your message in this post–thanks, this must be one of the best useful tips I have learned in year 2008. I

Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-27 Thread Micky Hulse
Maybe not the best solution, but I tend to set the legend to display:none (IIRC, one can't position off-screen in some browsers), and then insert a tad bit of additional HTML which is styled to emulate a legend... I call this class .pseudoLegend: (CSS:) /* Emulate fieldset/legend: */

Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-27 Thread tee
On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:27 AM, Micky Hulse wrote: ... ... div class=pseudoLegendh5E-mail Story to a friend/h5/div fieldset legend class=hideE-mail Story/legend It works for me. :) Cheers, Micky Thanks Micky, But isn't this defeats the whole purpose for using legend? I wouldn't care to

Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-27 Thread tee
On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:37 AM, tee wrote: On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:27 AM, Micky Hulse wrote: ... ... div class=pseudoLegendh5E-mail Story to a friend/h5/div fieldset legend class=hideE-mail Story/legend It works for me. :) Cheers, Micky Thanks Micky, But isn't this defeats the whole

[WSG] Standards way of getting div background color?

2008-11-27 Thread Dennis Suitters
Dunno, if this has been asked before. I've been looking wherever I can for a way to get a div's or any element's background color in a sementic friendly way (ie. works in IE and FF) using javascript. so far i've tried the below: document.getElementById('element').bgColor;

Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-27 Thread Steven Faulkner
hi tee, this article gives you some idea of how screen readers use fieldsets/legends http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=3 also worthwhile: Too much accessibility - FIELDSET LEGENDS (http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/articles/too-much-accessibility/too-much-accessibility-fieldset-legends/) In your

RE: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-27 Thread Paul Collins
I'm not sure if this will make it to the table, but it is truly worrying. If they went to the extremes outlined though, don't you think that generally the public (not just the web development community) would put up such a stink about it, the government would be forced into taking several

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-27 Thread Dave Hall
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 21:19 +1100, nedlud wrote: Okay, so I *should* be concerned about this, in spite of what my common sense tells me. So what can we, as web professionals (in Australia), do about it? I've signed the getup petition. What's the next step? You could _write_ a letter to

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-27 Thread Dave Hall
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 10:18 +, David Dorward wrote: Brett Patterson wrote: Where could I find a good information site about the document.images.imageId script line, please? http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-DOM-Level-1-19981001/level-one-html.html#ID-26809268 And if you are trying to

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-27 Thread IceKat
I wouldn't have sent this to the group if I'd had even the slightest idea it was spam. Getup.org.au is a genuinely good site. IceKat. Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in

Re: [WSG] Web governance

2008-11-27 Thread Peter Hislop
Andrew, I feel that you have hit one of the Big Problems, and perhaps many feel overwhelmed at its breadth (as do I - I've been pondering it for a few days). Others may have differing views and experiences, but a lack of governance and adherence to standards may be a symptom of corporate

RE: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-27 Thread Paul Collins
Hi all, Just to elaborate on this one, has anyone ever found a way to remove the left indent on the legend element in IE? I don't care if I have to add a SPAN inside the LEGEND element, I just want to make sure the text will be left aligned correctly in all browsers. Please send a link if you

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-27 Thread David Dorward
Brett Patterson wrote: Where could I find a good information site about the document.images.imageId script line, please? http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-DOM-Level-1-19981001/level-one-html.html#ID-26809268 And if you are trying to code using codes such as

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-27 Thread Jelina Korhecz
I agree with Dave--a letter to Senator Conroy is the best approach. The website previously mentioned (http://nocleanfeed.com/) is also a good place to start if you want to take action. I'm extremely concerned about this plan (and have been since I heard about it a months ago) because at first it

RE: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-27 Thread michael.brockington
I am hoping that the live testing/trial that will be carried out early next year just shows that this is technically unfeasible. It is quite stupid to be filtering the internet for everyone in Australia, when it is much simpler to be done on each individual PC through the use of software

Re: [WSG] Standards way of getting div background color?

2008-11-27 Thread Алексей Тен
Use window.getComputedStyle for standard-compliant browsers and element.currentStyle for IE. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/window.getComputedStyle http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms535231(VS.85).aspx On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:06, Dennis Suitters [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Dunno,

Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-27 Thread russ - maxdesign
Hey Paul, 1. almost all browsers left-indent the legend element to some degree. They use different amounts, with IE being slightly different to most other browsers. 2. This may have been mentioned in the thread before but FireFox will not allow the legend element to be positioned at all.

RE: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-27 Thread Paul Collins
Just to add to this, you can monitor Senator Conroy via email updates and message him through the Getup wesbite. http://www.projectdemocracy.com/senator/senator.php?senatorid=15 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jelina Korhecz Sent:

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-27 Thread nedlud
Okay, so I *should* be concerned about this, in spite of what my common sense tells me. So what can we, as web professionals (in Australia), do about it? I've signed the getup petition. What's the next step? Nedlud. On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 9:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hoping that

Re: [WSG] Web governance

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[WSG] too much accessibility - fieldset and legends

2008-11-27 Thread tee
Hi Steven, thanks for the two links. I am replying in a new thread because, after reading the Too much accessibility - FIELDSET LEGENDS, I feel that it deserves to open a new thread for a new, hopefully more thorough discussion on Fieldset and Legend, and maybe to have a closer exmination

Re: [WSG] too much accessibility - fieldset and legends

2008-11-27 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
tee wrote: Quote BIM: I don’t see that the W3c intention and the JAWS screen reader implementation are necessarily at odds; JAWS has a “duty” to keep users informed that they are in the same group, and this is one way of achieving it. Has a duty as being overly helpful that turns to

Re: [WSG] too much accessibility - fieldset and legends

2008-11-27 Thread tee
On Nov 27, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: tee wrote: Quote BIM: I don’t see that the W3c intention and the JAWS screen reader implementation are necessarily at odds; JAWS has a “duty” to keep users informed that they are in the same group, and this is one way of achieving it.

[WSG] Ian IR SHORTLAND is out of the office.

2008-11-27 Thread ian . ir . shortland
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Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-27 Thread Brett Patterson
What Dave? On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Dave Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 10:18 +, David Dorward wrote: Brett Patterson wrote: Where could I find a good information site about the document.images.imageId script line, please?

Re: [WSG] Web governance

2008-11-27 Thread mark . greed
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