Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images?

2010-10-20 Thread cat soul
tee...you are quite right to point that out..every medium has its booby traps and difficulties..I've spend my share of time wrangling with recalcitrant files myself. cs On Oct 20, 2010, at 4:11 PM, tee wrote: Fixing PostScript error is like knowing browser quirks

RE: [WSG] attribute selectors to target external and internal links

2010-10-20 Thread Thierry Koblentz
> This rule works > a[href^="http"] > > Problem is almost every CMS system uses absolute url for internal link, > this makes it impossible to target just the external link without the > content editor having to add a class to it. If you deal with absolute paths, you should be able to match intern

[WSG] attribute selectors to target external and internal links

2010-10-20 Thread tee
This rule works a[href^="http"] Problem is almost every CMS system uses absolute url for internal link, this makes it impossible to target just the external link without the content editor having to add a class to it. tee *** Li

Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images?

2010-10-20 Thread tee
On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:11 AM, cat soul wrote > > Please don't groan, but my background is in Print. Luckily, I never had to > write PostScript. Illustrator, PS, Quark, and later InDesign all do a fine > job of it. > > > but just imagine if I DID have to write the post script, and to know > v

Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images + Feedback Sources??

2010-10-20 Thread Nick Stone
Leslie, This is such valuable feedback. Thanks very much! Does anyone have suggestions on how to obtain website usability feedback from various members of the disabled community? Thanks in advance, Nick -- Nick Stone, MBA SEO, Web Accessibility, Web Development http://nick-stone.com/ G

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread Russ Weakley
> stop sending me emails We've stopped sending this person emails. no need to comment on this. :) Continue with this great thread! Thanks Russ BTW, every WSG email that goes out has an unsubscribe link at the bottom. Better to click that that tell 7,000 people you don't want any emails :)

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread cat soul
Heh! That is pretty funny! However, clients may have the need to ensure a universal experience. One example of this is in their brand values, which may call for a certain look and feel. If a person experiences one thing on their iPad and another experiences something different on their HP

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread Jon McInerney
stop sending me emails On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: > On 10/20/10 11:42 AM, cat soul wrote: >> >> I agree thoroughly, Hassan. Yet as this is a best-practices discussion and >> group, and since >> we've been hearing that these things A) don't always work and B) aren't >

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On 10/20/10 11:42 AM, cat soul wrote: I agree thoroughly, Hassan. Yet as this is a best-practices discussion and group, and since we've been hearing that these things A) don't always work and B) aren't always well-received by end users, we're left with a need. And that need is to know: out of

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread Jason Arnold
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:42 PM, cat soul wrote: > I agree thoroughly, Hassan. Yet as this is a best-practices discussion and > group, and since we've been hearing that these things A) don't always work > and B) aren't always well-received by end users, we're left with a need. > > And that need is

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread cat soul
I agree thoroughly, Hassan. Yet as this is a best-practices discussion and group, and since we've been hearing that these things A) don't always work and B) aren't always well-received by end users, we're left with a need. And that need is to know: out of the universe of what we can do, wha

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On 10/20/10 10:19 AM, cat soul wrote: The picture I am developing now is this: HTML and CSS should be used strictly for content, structure and formatting. *Behaviors* are best left to things like Javascript. But it's not that cut and dried -- CSS has always had behaviors, e.g. :hover, :focus

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread cat soul
Well, I am down with that..I never did care for the jumpy, spinny, whizzy things... As a print designer, I'm all about good design, good typography, quality imagery and clear communication. however, you sometimes get the idea that if you don't pay obeisance to that fashion (jumpy, spinny, w

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread cat soul
Help me if I mis-interpret the writer's fine article, but this pertains to Javascript rollovers, too. The end user doesn't know and doesn't care whether that thing popping up was a CSS Hover, or a Javascript rollover. S/he only knows that, by innocently mousing around, something popped up

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread Joseph Taylor
Cat, That's the holy trinity of web design: content, presentation and behavior. ;) Joseph R. B. Taylor /Web Designer / Developer/ -- Sites by Joe, LLC /"Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design"/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com Email: j...@sites

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread cat soul
I thank you for that link, David. The picture I am developing now is this: HTML and CSS should be used strictly for content, structure and formatting. *Behaviors* are best left to things like Javascript. Are these two statements ones that most here can buy into? Are they fair statements,

Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images?

2010-10-20 Thread Al Sparber
From: "Patrick H. Lauke" On 20/10/2010 10:44, cat soul wrote: Yes, and while we're on the topic of things that won't work on phones and iPadsis there anything else we need to know about that also won't play nice with those two handheld platforms? A gentle reminder that iDevices are not th

[WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread David Dorward
On 20 Oct 2010, at 16:59, cat soul wrote: > will there be/can there be a new command/property which can be read by each > device the way it needs to be? > > could there be soon a "touch" command so that you could write the code like: > > "hover, do this. If no hover, then touch, do this. If

Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images?

2010-10-20 Thread Joseph Taylor
Things are definitely better now than they once were in the world of browsers. Sure, we have a number of IE's of varying inability to deal with plus a bunch of others. Sure, we're constantly in a state of "it doesn't work on everything yet". Sure, not one tool we use can be relied on 100% of

Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images?

2010-10-20 Thread cat soul
Well, you certainly busted wide open a huge can of worms, Joseph, and I salute you for it. the one comfy thing in that, to me, is the "no IE" part. Starting with clean HTML is easy enough, but everything else is squarely in the "don't count on it" category..revealing the lick and a promise

Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images?

2010-10-20 Thread cat soul
will there be/can there be a new command/property which can be read by each device the way it needs to be? could there be soon a "touch" command so that you could write the code like: "hover, do this. If no hover, then touch, do this. If no touch, then __ and do this" ? On Oct

Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images?

2010-10-20 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 20/10/2010 10:44, cat soul wrote: Yes, and while we're on the topic of things that won't work on phones and iPadsis there anything else we need to know about that also won't play nice with those two handheld platforms? A gentle reminder that iDevices are not the only platform that has to

Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images?

2010-10-20 Thread Joseph Taylor
Good questions. I have yet to see definitive answers for most of these questions. I've been thinking on this constantly as I try to alter my work flow to a format that will please all the devices. Some things haven't changed: Start with clean HTML that'll work on ANYTHING including JAWS etc.

Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images?

2010-10-20 Thread cat soul
Yes, and while we're on the topic of things that won't work on phones and iPadsis there anything else we need to know about that also won't play nice with those two handheld platforms? Is a different design perspective in order now? Do we now design for the iPad and for phones, and have

Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images?

2010-10-20 Thread Lesley Lutomski
Good idea, but please remember that for someone with problems of co-ordination or fine muscle control, hovering can be extremely difficult. I've encountered javascript image galleries which work like this, and on a bad day I find them completely unusable. Lesley On 19/10/10 21:13, cat soul w

Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images?

2010-10-20 Thread Kevin Ireson
An excellent and very up to date point about accessibility. From: tee Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS "rollovers" for images? Caution with the use of hover for such purpose if you also want touchscreen device user able to use it