Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-08 Thread Patrick Griffiths
Placing his list in a dl or table and manually numbering them works, but what about when a new item needs to be added to the list somewhere in the middle? I'm assuming a system like this is dynamically handled back-end, so removing this problem. I'm not sure what the rational for dropping the

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-08 Thread Patrick Griffiths
In this instance, all the padding, margin, border, etc. were initially set to zero so that shouldn't be the cause here. In the end I couldn't find the cause of this IE issue, so I've gone with a table. I can always have it changed if I discover the cause and a fix. Hi Ian. I don't know if

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-07 Thread Patrick Griffiths
See, I'd say a table or a definition list. I think I'm one of the very few people who actually supports the loss of the start= attribute. I'd go with Michael, on both points. Table would be fine, but definition list is probably better. And the start attribute is bad because the first item in

Re: [WSG] Drop down menu, JavaScript accessibility

2005-01-31 Thread Patrick Griffiths
Nope, nothing at all. Just bung it in an IE conditional clause calling a stylesheet containing an HTC behaviour call. IE conditional clause? HTC? *Web Standards* Group? ;) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

[WSG] London Web Standards Conference

2005-01-11 Thread Patrick Griffiths
the hottest issues in web design. You can find out more, help to support and register on the shiny new website: http://www.atmedia2005.co.uk Patrick - Patrick Griffiths Wrote a book: XHTML CSS: A Web Standards Approach (New Riders) Started a company: http

Re: [WSG] Embed tag, object and web standards

2004-10-19 Thread Patrick Griffiths
Currently the best advice is to validate media content pages as HTML v4 transitional. Personally, I think the best approach is still Flash Satay: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/ Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com

Re: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts

2004-07-30 Thread Patrick Griffiths
. Good as guidelines, but not as rules. Patrick Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com - Original Message - From: Andy Budd For a site to get a AA accessibility rating, you are supposed to use relative units (%, em) rather than fixed

Re: [WSG] Hacks

2004-07-30 Thread Patrick Griffiths
The only hack that I think is really necessary is the box model hack. Hacks are over-used, usually to quickly solve a cross-browser problem that can actually be fixed with good, non-hack CSS. This is the goal of web standards after all - one size fits all. Patrick Griffiths (PTG

Re: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts

2004-07-30 Thread Patrick Griffiths
or (obviously) single column designs would probably usually work better within a fluid design. Like I say, it comes down to what you're trying to do with the page. Dog Boy Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com - Original Message - From: Andy

Re: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts

2004-07-30 Thread Patrick Griffiths
. Sure it's realistic. It's one of many options and some people have opted for ems and successfully built elastic pages. Fido Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com/ * The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts

2004-07-30 Thread Patrick Griffiths
Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *

Re: [WSG] Safety experts advise switching browsers

2004-06-16 Thread Patrick Griffiths
to pre-install Mozilla or Opera on PC's. That's the main reason why such a majority of people don't switch - they stick with what's on their system (which is why there's still a sizeable market share using IE 5). Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http

[WSG] HTML, CSS and Mobiles

2004-06-14 Thread Patrick Griffiths
or phone could let me know what results they get with this test page... http://www.htmldog.com/test/handheld.html ...I would be eternally grateful. Patrick Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com

Re: [WSG] CSS vs tables - the untitled posts

2004-05-28 Thread Patrick Griffiths
layout. Patrick Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints

Re: [WSG] CSS vs tables - the untitled posts

2004-05-28 Thread Patrick Griffiths
of the main content area. Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com - Original Message - From: Mike Pepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS vs tables - the untitled posts

Re: [WSG] Good DOM tutorial?

2004-05-25 Thread Patrick Griffiths
Does anybody know a good DOM tutorial? They seem to be few and far between, but this: http://www.brainjar.com/dhtml/intro/ and then this: http://www.brainjar.com/dhtml/events/ are by far the best DOM tutorials I've found. Patrick Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http

[WSG] Suckerfish Galore!

2004-05-21 Thread Patrick Griffiths
minute touches to this last night and this morning (I'm on UK time), but there's quite a lot of stuff in there and my head is now starting to hurt, so if you find any typo's or other errors, please let me know... Cheers Patrick Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg

Re: [WSG] Tables are bad because...

2004-05-19 Thread Patrick Griffiths
there are real demonstratable advantages to be had they should be raved about; shouted from the tree tops rather than beating around the bush. Patrick Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com

Re: [WSG] Tables are bad. Just because. [was APC magazine anti standards article]

2004-05-14 Thread Patrick Griffiths
of it and dirt on the other. You can still maintain objectivity while dismissing anti-web standards comments with a heavier hand if the argument is a logical one. Here's my two pence worth to this whole rhubarb: http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/49.php Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http

Re: [WSG] XML declarations, apos; and IE

2004-05-07 Thread Patrick Griffiths
This is probably a dumb question, but am I right in assuming that IE will only correctly display an apos; character entity if the XHTML file has an XML declaration? Doesn't appear to, which is a bit odd. #39; is fine though. Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com

Re: [WSG] XHTML transitional is a half-way house

2004-05-06 Thread Patrick Griffiths
elements and attributes removed.. There you go. Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail

Re: [WSG] XHTML transitional is a half-way house

2004-05-06 Thread Patrick Griffiths
XHTML is supposed to be - cutting out the presentation and leaving just the structure. As we're all such fans of semantics, just think about the word 'Transitional' - it means something between two things. A bridge. A half way house. Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http

Re: [WSG] When the mix of visual appearance and meaning goes really bad

2004-05-06 Thread Patrick Griffiths
to be in bold rather than italics? Your HTML would then be semantically incorrect. Hypothetical, but logical. I think it's right to completely separate meaning and presentation and I think it's right to deprecate i. Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com

Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren

2004-05-05 Thread Patrick Griffiths
I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML transitional is a less strict data format? It's a transition. It's a half-way house between HTML 4 and XHTML as it is intended (XHTML Strict). Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http

Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren

2004-05-05 Thread Patrick Griffiths
I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML transitional is a less strict data format? It's a transition. It's a half-way house between HTML 4 and XHTML as it is intended (XHTML Strict). Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http

Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren

2004-05-05 Thread Patrick Griffiths
I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML transitional is a less strict data format? It's a transition. It's a half-way house between HTML 4 and XHTML as it is intended (XHTML Strict). Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http

Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren

2004-05-05 Thread Patrick Griffiths
*is* valid XML, just as baboobaWahoo/babooba can be a valid XML element. It has rules to follow, just like any standard, so in that respect all standards are as strict as each other - you have to stick to the rules. Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http

Re: [WSG] Validator Question re SHORTTAG YES

2004-05-04 Thread Patrick Griffiths
/a/td Try nowrap=nowrap Patrick Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some

Re: [WSG] CSS: writing-mode

2004-05-02 Thread Patrick Griffiths
recommendation: http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-css3-text-20030514/#writing-mode Although I'm still assuming that your software is relying on the Microsoft implementation. Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com

Re: [WSG] Images inside a div class with specified link style

2004-05-02 Thread Patrick Griffiths
.divRight a { border-bottom : none; } Your code was looking for an a element nested inside an image! If there are other links in .divRight boxes that you want the border applied to, you'll need to apply a different class to the a element surrounding the image. Patrick Griffiths

[WSG] Lists in Paragraphs (was Custom DTD's to allow target attribute? Yuck)

2004-04-30 Thread Patrick Griffiths
Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *

Re: [WSG] XHTML Form + Label - Errors

2004-04-19 Thread Patrick Griffiths
to wrap your form elements in block level elements. Try wrapping them in div's. Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http

Re: [WSG] target=_blank substitute

2004-04-18 Thread Patrick Griffiths
, this will do: a href=foo.html onclick=window.open(this.href);return false; title=opens in new windownew window/a onclick is invoked by keyboard action too. Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com

Re: [WSG] target=_blank substitute

2004-04-18 Thread Patrick Griffiths
from it, they're going to. If they want to come back to it, that's great but keeping your site in the background isn't going to help that at all - they know they should be able to reach it by a 'click' or two of the back button. Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg

Re: [WSG] target=_blank substitute

2004-04-18 Thread Patrick Griffiths
solution to a very real client problem. I absolutely agree. If we're talking about *having* to do it then we do it. But if we're talking about best practices it's a different matter. Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com

Re: [WSG] WAI3 in a strict DOCTYPE

2004-04-07 Thread Patrick Griffiths
to pick between using transitional and getting WAI3 and using strict and at best getting WAI2, or is there a solution for this problem? Try xml:lang lang isn't valid in XHTML 1.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/changes.html Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http