Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-15 Thread Joseph Ortenzi
There is no need to style the forms strongly but you can try to explicitly coax the style to be more uniform by applying CSS intelligently. BTW: Buttons should be buttons and not an obscure graphic acting as a link or calling JavaScript. If you keep your head on your shoulders there should

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-15 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/01/15 12:05 (GMT+1000) Tate Johnson apparently typed: From my experience, Konqueror and Safari render pages identically. In addition, now that Safari is available on Windows ... there is virtually no difference between browsers that are available on Windows, OS X and Linux.

RE: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-14 Thread michael.brockington
Now fire up Safari and Camino side-by-side, and notice how both browsers display form elements the way that the user expects - nice and shiny, rounded blue - easy to tell apart from the occasional You are infected etc pop-ups with an image of a Windows button. This is because the form elements

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-14 Thread Jason Pruim
On Jan 13, 2008, at 12:51 AM, Peter Mount wrote: Hi I'm tossing up whether to buy a Mac or to save my money and buy a new PC and just have Linux and Windows on it. I've read that Safari for Windows will help Web Developers without a Mac be able to develop for that. Is there a

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-14 Thread Tate Johnson
On 13/01/2008, at 3:51 PM, Peter Mount wrote: Hi I'm tossing up whether to buy a Mac or to save my money and buy a new PC and just have Linux and Windows on it. I've read that Safari for Windows will help Web Developers without a Mac be able to develop for that. Is there a difference

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-13 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Jan 13, 2008 5:51 AM, Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm tossing up whether to buy a Mac or to save my money and buy a new PC and just have Linux and Windows on it. I've read that Safari for Windows will help Web Developers without a Mac be able to develop for that. Unless you're a

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-13 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Hi Peter, On 13-Jan-08, at 11:21 AM, Peter Mount wrote: I'm tossing up whether to buy a Mac or to save my money and buy a new PC and just have Linux and Windows on it. I've read that Safari for Windows will help Web Developers without a Mac be able to develop for that. Ultimately, your

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-13 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Firefox renders pretty close on both systems, but you may find more differences between other browsers. A browser testing grid is helpful but not as helpful as few instances of XP with different browsers running in virtualisation. But don't get a mac just for testing sites on a mac, that

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-13 Thread Avi Miller
On 13/01/2008, at 7:18 PM, Matthew Pennell wrote: Unless you're a hardcore PC gamer, why not get an Intel Mac? Then you can run Windows (on Parallels or VMWare or Boot Camp), Linux, and MacOS on the same machine. Plus you get a *nix based OS that is much nicer to develop for than Windows.

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-13 Thread Peter Mount
Avi Miller wrote: Even if you are a hardcore gamer, the Mac is a better platform. Booting Windows via Boot Camp is native, and the hardware in the MacBook Pro (for laptops), iMac or Mac Pro (for desktops) is pretty kick-ass. :) cYa, Avi --MySource Matrix Product Evangelist Sydney /

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-13 Thread Joe Ortenzi
There will be a new announcement this week, I'm sure, so hold on to your hats for the moment, but coming this week there is sure to be a god deal on Intel MacsBooks and Minis. On Jan 13 2008, at 11:09, Peter Mount wrote: Avi Miller wrote: Even if you are a hardcore gamer, the Mac is a

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-13 Thread Mark Harris
Peter Mount wrote: I'm not a hardcore gamer so I can look at the Mac Mini or Macbook as well. I'll see what my wallet says in a few months. My Mini still kicks arse and it's only PPC! Get as much memory as it can eat, and a big hard drive, if you're going to run virtual machines, as they

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-13 Thread Peter Mount
Joe Ortenzi wrote: There will be a new announcement this week, I'm sure, so hold on to your hats for the moment, but coming this week there is sure to be a god deal on Intel MacsBooks and Minis. Will the atheists have a good deal too? -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile:

RE: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-13 Thread John Horner
can I safely develop in non Mac versions and expect my web sites to behave the same on the Mac? Behave? Yes. But... I don't think anyone's made this point yet -- one key difference between the platforms is the display of form elements. Elements like buttons and select menus and checkboxes,

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-13 Thread Terrence Wood
On 14/01/2008, John Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance, if you have documentation which says click on the button which looks like this [image of the button from a Windows browser] then Mac users may not have a button which looks like that. The person using your page might not be

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-13 Thread Joe Ortenzi
yeowtch! Several points here. The form elements come from the browser, not the API. fire up safari and firefox on your mac and you will see this. Safari has that silly round button thing and firefox has a more windowsy set of form elements. two: you can style form elements in css but

[WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-12 Thread Peter Mount
Hi I'm tossing up whether to buy a Mac or to save my money and buy a new PC and just have Linux and Windows on it. I've read that Safari for Windows will help Web Developers without a Mac be able to develop for that. Is there a difference between Mac versions of browsers like Firefox and

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are some differences between the windows versions and the mac versions, but if it works on windows, it is very likely it will work on mac as well. But aside from buying a mac, you can try to use an emulator or a virtual machine and test the website from there. You can also try to use this

Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-12 Thread Joseph Taylor
I would try to get an old cheap G3 or something on ebay, you can get them very cheaply and often with OSX installed. The rendering differences between Firefox etc will be similar, but the respective font sizes will be a little different (a little smaller on the mac). Joseph R. B. Taylor