Re: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-15 Thread Mordechai Peller
Geoff Pack wrote: Sure. But if you are only testing your own sites, and not surfing the web with them, then it shouldn't be much of a risk. Assuming the site hasn't been hacked, there should be ZERO additional risk beyond just being connected.

Re: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-15 Thread Mordechai Peller
Peter Ottery wrote: fwiw, I forgot about testing in IE4 about 3 years ago. I still like to make things look ok in IE5.0 but if some text is butting up against the edge of a container due to it not supporting some float issue or something, i dont worry about it. Its usually a better story with

Re: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-14 Thread Mark Harris
Peter Ottery wrote: Peter Firminger wrote: Not at all recommended on any machine you care about. Just for my own peace of mind tho - they're only a security issue when you have launched the program right? so if i'm launching them (old standalone IE5 5.5) once a month to *only* test pages

Re: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-14 Thread Mark Harris
Mark Harris wrote: I can think of 2 secure ways to use IE/windows to test webpages: 1 run a webserver on a separate box _inside_ your firewall and install your pages there for testing - stack a firewall between the systems if you need to test that. 2 run VirtualPC (or some other windows

[WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-13 Thread Rhys Burnie
I am interested in the current opinion of the relevance of css hacks for explorer 4.0.x 5.0.x specifically in regards to the Box Model Hack. I understand the problem associated with the box model in ie4 5 but have begun to question the need for hacks in your css for these browser versions. In

RE: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-13 Thread Geoff Pack
: Friday, 14 October 2005 1:52 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5 I am interested in the current opinion of the relevance of css hacks for explorer 4.0.x 5.0.x specifically in regards to the Box Model Hack. I understand the problem associated with the box model

Re: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-13 Thread Peter Ottery
Rhys wrote: But with the implementations in ie6 and the ones to come in ie7 perhaps its time to finally stop worrying about ie 4/5 you're the only one that can take on that issue and make a decision for *your* site. Different sites require different decisions. Examine your logs and weigh them

RE: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-13 Thread Peter Firminger
But they may make your system vulnerable as they are not patched. There's a very good reason Microsoft doesn't publish these for developers or anyone else. Not at all recommended on any machine you care about. P Standalone versions of IE 4 and IE 5 are available at

RE: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-13 Thread Geoff Pack
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5 But they may make your system vulnerable as they are not patched. There's a very good reason Microsoft doesn't publish these for developers or anyone else. Not at all recommended on any machine you care about. P Standalone versions of IE

Re: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-13 Thread Peter Ottery
Peter Firminger wrote: Not at all recommended on any machine you care about. Just for my own peace of mind tho - they're only a security issue when you have launched the program right? so if i'm launching them (old standalone IE5 5.5) once a month to *only* test pages that I've created - I'm

Re: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-13 Thread Joshua Street
Yeah, the main risk is in the OS/Browser integration thing. And, since those versions are standalone, they're safer than IE6... plus your usage patterns for it will be different.On 10/14/05, Peter Ottery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for my own peace of mind tho - they're only a security issue