Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-17 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:28:41 +0100, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? I just tell clients I have no knowledge

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-17 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:28:41 +0100, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? I just tell clients I have no knowledge

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-17 Thread Matheus Neves
i´m an old school webdesigner by old i mean, i tryed to use cs1.0, some dhtml ans i used to rock on flash3.0 .by those days i gave up on internet, nobody was willing to pay someone an honest amout of money to work with that. (i live in brazil). In the last ten years i created about 10 websites

[WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Hi, I have a client that i do a lot of web design for, i hand over jpegs-they do the code. Ive been trying to get them to migrate to css layouts for the last two years. They never took time to learn css properly and only manage to hack layouts together. After ie7 came out a lot of the layouts

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 5/16/07, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would you have done in this situation? Take off and nuke them from orbit - it's the only way to be sure. ;) *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 16 May 2007, at 7:28 PM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: What would you have done in this situation? Find another client - or risk sounding like a whiner yourself. At the end of the day, you can give clients informed choice, but you can't *make* them follow your advice. If they can't see the

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Regnard Kreisler C. Raquedan
Ouch. I had a similar situation where the client just won't listen-- They wanted to integrate a part of an old website to a new one that I did that looks *exactly* as is. I followed what they wanted and now they have a mish-mash of junk code. On 5/16/07, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Regnard Kreisler C. Raquedan wrote: Ouch. I had a similar situation where the client just won't listen-- They wanted to integrate a part of an old website to a new one that I did that looks *exactly* as is. I followed what they wanted and now they have a mish-mash of junk code. On 5/16/07,

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 16 May 2007, at 12:49:46, Robert O'Rourke wrote: Here's a link to put a smile on your face anyway, old school web design studio at it's best: http://www.wizwebz.co.uk ... (I kinda like it for some inexplicable reason) Ouch! Of course, you can implement a design from the classic web

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 16 May 2007, at 11:28 PM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: http://www.wizwebz.co.uk ... http://csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/zen/ sample.css OK, enough - I quit. How can I possibly compete with these world-class designers? N ___ omnivision.

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Bruce Gilbert
On 5/16/07, Ben Dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a link to put a smile on your face anyway, old school web design studio at it's best: http://www.wizwebz.co.uk ... (I kinda like it for some inexplicable reason) last updated their home page in 2000. That is old school!

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 16 May 2007, at 11:28 PM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: http://www.wizwebz.co.uk ... http://csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/zen/sample.css OK, enough - I quit. How can I possibly compete with these world-class designers? N It's a tall order

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Rob Wilmshurst
I hope prospective clients don't view source and see it's really all created by Cool Page - easier than frontpage and dreamweaver apparently! They could lose a few clients... http://www.coolpage.com/cpg.html Apparently, it runs 'dynamicGoo' technology ... 0_o -RW. -- Rob Wilmshurst [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Chris Williams
And THAT web page was last updated 5 years ago... From: Rob Wilmshurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] ive given up on css http://www.coolpage.com/cpg.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Susan Grossman
Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? Back to your original topic - the client is always right in the end. You can present white papers and

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Susan Grossman wrote: Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? Back to your original topic - the client is always right in the

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread kevin mcmonagle
I think in your situation though it's the choice of your client as to their code. Find another client - or risk sounding like a whiner yourself. At the end of the day, you can give clients informed choice... Good advice: I dont want to come off as a whiner because thats not what i would

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread dwain
Robert O'Rourke wrote: Susan Grossman wrote: Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? Back to your original topic - the

RE: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Geoff Pack
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Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Ben Buchanan
Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? Well I'm not a designer so this is a bit speculative - but with that sort of situation I'd probably stop