RE: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-07 Thread Nick Cowie
OK - so is there a formula to work out PX to EM ? (at least on a vanilla type of setup). In theory, on the standard browser ;-(IE6 on windows) the default font size is 12 pixels so in that case 1em = 12 pixels. Or it should be until you start playing with it with font-size=76%. But for

Re: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-07 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
Relative font sizes ruin good design. Vector based graphics and text are the future of good screen design. The whole point is to be relative in your units so the layout design can look the same across different resolutions. If a user needs to increase or decrease the text size then the layout

Re: [WSG] Relative Fonts (Out of office)

2004-04-07 Thread Leon Wild
Sorry, I'm away Thurs AM for study. I will read your email when I return. For urgent queries or intranet help please contact Marion on 02 9230 8542 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks, Leon Wild. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/07/04 17:38 Relative font sizes ruin good design. Vector based graphics

Re: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-07 Thread Gary Menzel
The whole point is to be relative in your units so the layout design can look the same across different resolutions. Yes - I know the reasons behind it. And I spend way too much time thinking about it now and dont see any clear pathways to a sensible outcome. Hence why I am bringing it to a

Re: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-07 Thread Felix Miata
Nick Cowie wrote: Gary Menzel wrote: OK - so is there a formula to work out PX to EM ? (at least on a vanilla type of setup). In theory, on the standard browser ;-(IE6 on windows) the default font size is 12 pixels so in that case 1em = 12 pixels. No, the default on windoze is 12pt.

Re: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-06 Thread G A R Y C R O U C H [ A I T ]
Hi Gary * Understand your plite, its what we all face every day, one day it will all be easy. Every browser will render STANDARD code be it HTML, XHTML, CSS in the same way on any platform. They will even execute JavaDcript in the same way and

Re: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-06 Thread Cameron Adams
Given the ignorance of some of your users, I'd assume they were using IE. But remember, there's no such thing as fixed font design anymore. Mozilla, Safari et al all resize fonts irrespective of units. -- Cameron Adams W: www.themaninblue.com --- Gary Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't

RE: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-06 Thread James Silva
There are issues though * Embedded WYSIWYG editors are still very immature when it comes to XHTML and CSS (our CMS lets us plug in lots of editors but most of them lack something in some way or other) so enforcing the use of EM's is flawed (at best). Some of the editors support

RE: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-06 Thread Kay Smoljak
So when we launched our new site we had HUNDREDS (not exaggerating - they are all logged) of complaints about the font size being too small or too big because they did not have their font size set to medium (and there doesn't appear to be a way to detect what the setting is - probably

RE: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-06 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] Relative Fonts Kay wrote: we just decided to politely educate each user who complained about what their problem was and why it was better the way we'd done it. Time consuming, but after the first couple it was all cut and paste anyway. ditto here. i had a similar

RE: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-06 Thread Gary Menzel
We've faced this as well, particularly with the Perth International Arts Festival, and we just decided to politely educate each user who complained about what their problem was and why it was better the way we'd done it. Time consuming, but after the first couple it was all cut and paste

RE: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-06 Thread Nick Cowie
Gary asked So - what does everyone do? I use em for all measurements (except images). So those column widths are not 200px but 16.7em. With a fixed width page (60em) long lines of text ie 80+ characters per line are difficult to read. Use a little bit of javascript to set the inital font size

RE: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-06 Thread Gary Menzel
I use em for all measurements (except images). So those column widths are not 200px but 16.7em. With a fixed width page (60em) long lines of text ie 80+ characters per line are difficult to read. OK - so is there a formula to work out PX to EM ? (at least on a vanilla type of setup). And I