On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:46:33 -0700, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
But at the end of the day, this will only piss of the people on this mailing
list,
and the next developer to work on your web site. The users
will still see a nice bold heading. The semantics are meanlingless to them.
Actually
Paul Novitski wrote:
Mordechai, please elaborate on this point: how does HTML lose semantic
value when ids classes are added? I think of ids classes as being
semantically neutral or inert.
When used properly, ids and classes add semantic value. (That ids and
classes can add value is, in
More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value to
developers or to those who have to maintain the site. They have no bearing
on real world semantics in terms of benefit derived by end users and page
retrieval via search engines. To that end they are semantically neutral
--
Hi,
Or rather microformats give senatic value to certain classes for the use
of external programs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microformats
Normal CSS markup improves semantics by removing presentational dross.
On Mon, May 21, 2007 10:43 am, Mordechai Peller wrote:
Paul Novitski wrote:
Rob Kirton skrev:
More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value to
developers or to those who have to maintain the site. They have no
bearing on real world semantics in terms of benefit derived by end
users and page retrieval via search engines.
Take a look at this:
Anders
Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of this particular plugin; and as you
suggest, better again if this or something similar is supported as standard
in a wide range of user agents. Agent support of extended HTML is certainly
a far better means of adoption, than the approach of having to
Thanks for that :)
Lucien.
Lucien Stals
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Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/05/07 9:24 AM
Tell that to this search engine:
http://kitchen.technorati.com/search/
On 21/05/2007, at 9:31 PM, Rob Kirton wrote:
More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value
Tell that to this search engine:
http://kitchen.technorati.com/search/
On 21/05/2007, at 9:31 PM, Rob Kirton wrote:
More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value
to developers or to those who have to maintain the site. They have
no bearing on real world semantics in
You could use the same argument to say that all markup in sematicly
neutral. That the B tag and STRONG tags have the same semantic weight
since end users, the consumers of the web, nerevr look at the markup and
are largely uninterested in how the content gets to be that way it is.
We could easily
But at the end of the day, this will only piss of the people on this
mailing list, and the next developer to work on your web site. The
users
will still see a nice bold heading. The semantics are meanlingless to
them.
Actually with your example, I believe there are more users who would be
Good point.
Thanks.
L.
Lucien Stals
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Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/05/07 11:46 AM
But at the end of the day, this will only piss of the people on this
mailing list, and the next developer to work on your web site. The
users
will still see a nice bold heading. The
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Quoting Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I recently had to add numerical bullet point graphics to an OL.
Unfortunately there's nothing you can do at this point.
CSS 3's nth-child pseudo selector
http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#nth-child-pseudo would help, but
Thanks for all your comments, CSS3 sounds loads better, but it will
probably be many years until we can get decent browser support!
I decided to put it in as an image, because I can't hide the text of
an ordered list (list-style:none;) without it causing problems with
Screen readers anyway.
Lucien Stals wrote:
Why aren't you just dealing with this server side and generating the
desired classes and tags there?
At 5/18/2007 02:25 AM, Mordechai Peller wrote:
I see two reasons. First, by generating the CSS dynamically,
browsers are unable to cache it, thereby loosing one of the
This might seem obvious, but have you considered combining them into
a single image, and adding them as a single background to the OL
instead?
On 17/05/2007, at 7:25 PM, Paul Collins wrote:
Hi all,
I recently had to add numerical bullet point graphics to an OL. This
meant I had to add an
Quoting Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
This might seem obvious, but have you considered combining them into a
single image, and adding them as a single background to the OL instead?
That would break apart as soon as the user changed text size, or the
amount of content in each LI is
Quoting Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I recently had to add numerical bullet point graphics to an OL. This
meant I had to add an individual class and style to each bullet point
for each image, which can add up when you've got 20 bullets. I was
wondering, does anyone know more clever way of
At 5/17/2007 02:25 AM, Paul Collins wrote:
I recently had to add numerical bullet point graphics to an OL. This
meant I had to add an individual class and style to each bullet point
for each image, which can add up when you've got 20 bullets. I was
wondering, does anyone know more clever way of
At 5/17/2007 09:19 AM, Paul Novitski wrote:
Yes, but what would make sense would be to combine all the numbers
into a single image and then apply them to the list items with
staggered positions, rather than applying a separate image to each list item.
Here's a real-world example:
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