Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-05 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El vie, 05-03-2004 a las 00:54, Hugh Todd escribió: Tonico, I need to support IE/Mac, so what would you recommend me to do? Did you have a look at this one, posted by Manuel González Noriega? It seems to work in IE 5 Mac, for whatever reason:

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-05 Thread Tonico Strasser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Tonico, I guess they don't use lists for the top navigation because it is horizontal and they want to keep it simple. Well, why ever they did it, it's not an argument for or against lists, I think. (Also, they don't use subnavigations) You're right it's not an

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-05 Thread Tonico Strasser
Manuel González Noriega wrote: FWIW, yesterday we put kalsey's tabs to work at http://derallyes.com (homepage,top box) The site's in spanish, but that shouldn't make checking the tabs functionality any harder ;) Great work. Now, what we'd really like to have is to enhance the tabs for js enabled

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-04 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El jue, 04-03-2004 a las 03:38, Jackie Reid escribió: And don't get me started on dls ;) this bit seems to have been swept under the carpet.. I'm really interested to hear what is wrong with dl's for navigation as, to my pedantic and not so up there with css sort of a mind, it

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-04 Thread Tonico Strasser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Tonico, hello list, Is it just fashionable to use uls for navigation? Which standard says that a navigation should be a list? Who benefits from more semantic /navigation/? Well, some say: a navigation semantically is a list, others say: it's not. (I also think,

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-04 Thread Hugh Todd
Tonico, I need to support IE/Mac, so what would you recommend me to do? Did you have a look at this one, posted by Manuel González Noriega? It seems to work in IE 5 Mac, for whatever reason: http://kalsey.com/tools/csstabs/index.php?section=2 -Hugh

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-04 Thread Tonico Strasser
Hugh Todd wrote: Did you have a look at this one, posted by Manuel González Noriega? Yes, but I can't use it because it has 'display: inline' on lis and that would make it more difficult for me because I have rounded corners. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Tonico Strasser
Manuel González Noriega wrote: El mié, 03-03-2004 a las 16:54, Tonico Strasser escribió: Version a) may look better from a semantic point of view, and version b) is probably better for textbrowsers, screenreaders etc? Version b) is also easier for styling with CSS IMO. I can see no problems

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El mié, 03-03-2004 a las 19:05, Tonico Strasser escribió: Thanks Manuel, I wonder if version b is less accessible or standards compliant than version a. It would be much easier for me to use version b. If it validates, it's not less standard compliant than anything. As for

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Tonico Strasser
Manuel González Noriega wrote: Who benefits from more semantic /navigation/? Maybe a XSLT designer? Call me a pervert but i get a kick from elegant html sources :D Ok, me too. Thanks to all for your replies. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Michael Zeltner
Tonico Strasser wrote: Who benefits from more semantic /navigation/? Maybe a XSLT designer? the only benefits are: you have the data in it's natural form and semantic markup is automatically perfectly accessible (the only problem would be a stupid (sorry) ua like jaws, but even that is easily

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Tonico Strasser
Michael Zeltner wrote: Tonico Strasser wrote: Who benefits from more semantic /navigation/? Maybe a XSLT designer? the only benefits are: you have the data in it's natural form and semantic markup is automatically perfectly accessible (the only problem would be a stupid (sorry) ua like jaws,

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Michael Zeltner
Tonico Strasser wrote: Please, can you tell me more about the problem with Jaws and how it can be fixed? floats instead of inline elements for navigation. jaws uses ie, and ie renders it as inline element so jaws will read it as inline element. floated blocks (btw, can one float list elements?)

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Jackie Reid
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