Re: [WSG] Nicely styled Hx tags

2004-03-03 Thread Ben Bishop
Hi Kay, well as some awesome-looking examples of styled headings, to make them Dave Shea has some nice examples of using Times New Roman, half way through the article at: http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/07/24/times_new_ro/ Cheers, --ben http://www.daemon.com.au/

Re: [WSG] Nicely styled Hx tags

2004-03-03 Thread russ weakley
Oops. You're correct! Maybe I should just let John quote himself! :) Russ Russ, Perhaps this quote of John Allsop's should read, ...how much worse is it to put *content* inside the CSS file? -Hugh Todd :) John Allsopp (one of the original CSS guru's) explains this better than I

[WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Tonico Strasser
Hello, what markup do you think is more appropriate for a navigation with subnavigation (as seen at amazon.com). a) ul liitem one ul lisubitem one/item lisubitem two/item /ul /li liitem two/li /ul b) divitem one | item two/div divsubitem one | subitem two/div Version

Re: [WSG] CSS and PhpNuke

2004-03-03 Thread Michael Zeltner
i'd recommend plone (http://plone.org/), but probably because i'm one of the guys at the ui team ;) we're really focusing on accessibility, semantic markup, and flexibility through css. if you have any questions: there are plone irc channels (#plone and #plonedesign (the ui channel) on

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Tonico Strasser
Manuel González Noriega wrote: El mié, 03-03-2004 a las 16:54, Tonico Strasser escribió: Version a) may look better from a semantic point of view, and version b) is probably better for textbrowsers, screenreaders etc? Version b) is also easier for styling with CSS IMO. I can see no problems

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El mié, 03-03-2004 a las 19:05, Tonico Strasser escribió: Thanks Manuel, I wonder if version b is less accessible or standards compliant than version a. It would be much easier for me to use version b. If it validates, it's not less standard compliant than anything. As for

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Tonico Strasser
Manuel González Noriega wrote: Who benefits from more semantic /navigation/? Maybe a XSLT designer? Call me a pervert but i get a kick from elegant html sources :D Ok, me too. Thanks to all for your replies. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo

Re: [WSG] Ways to minimise CSS file

2004-03-03 Thread John Allsopp
Jaime, x-tad-biggerI have been thinking if there are any ways to minimise CSS files as my css files are growing bigger and bigger.There are so many different ways to write the CSS codes but which way is the most efficient way so to save space but still looks neat./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger 

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Michael Zeltner
Tonico Strasser wrote: Who benefits from more semantic /navigation/? Maybe a XSLT designer? the only benefits are: you have the data in it's natural form and semantic markup is automatically perfectly accessible (the only problem would be a stupid (sorry) ua like jaws, but even that is easily

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Tonico Strasser
Michael Zeltner wrote: Tonico Strasser wrote: Who benefits from more semantic /navigation/? Maybe a XSLT designer? the only benefits are: you have the data in it's natural form and semantic markup is automatically perfectly accessible (the only problem would be a stupid (sorry) ua like jaws,

Re: [WSG] Ways to minimise CSS file

2004-03-03 Thread James Ellis
Jaime - Moving to descendant selectors really helped me minimise the amount of classes and ids I ended up using - which saves line space. You could also divide your stylesheet up into different files - one for navigation, one for layout, one for headings etc etc - then link (or however you do

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Michael Zeltner
Tonico Strasser wrote: Please, can you tell me more about the problem with Jaws and how it can be fixed? floats instead of inline elements for navigation. jaws uses ie, and ie renders it as inline element so jaws will read it as inline element. floated blocks (btw, can one float list elements?)

Re: [WSG] He said she said :-) FIR and other such techniques

2004-03-03 Thread Universal Head
I'm here John! Really, I'm not the anti-accessibility guy you think I am ... I just believe in good design, and good design has to communicate. In most cases that gels exactly with your own philosophy. :) Congrats on StyleMaster BTW! P On 04/03/2004, at 9:11 AM, John Allsopp wrote: OK, so you

Re: [WSG] He said she said :-) FIR and other such techniques

2004-03-03 Thread John Allsopp
Thanks Peter, I'm here John! Really, I'm not the anti-accessibility guy you think I am ... I just believe in good design, and good design has to communicate. In most cases that gels exactly with your own philosophy. :) Yeah, I know :-) But I do know the value you place on typography (a

Re: [WSG] Nicely styled Hx tags

2004-03-03 Thread Chris Blown
Granted, these are just examples by Dave, but this demonstrates why you should always include font-family. My browser defaults to sans serif here, since I don't have Times New Roman. From the font survey link posted yesterday I guess I am one of the 20 odd percent of Linux users who don't have

[WSG] fieldset furphy in IE

2004-03-03 Thread James Ellis
Hi In IE in Win32, a background image for a fieldset lines up with the top of the legend tag rather than the top border of the fieldset : background-image - legend -- background-image The top border appears in the middle of the legend as above. In other browsers the background-image

Re: [WSG] Nicely styled Hx tags

2004-03-03 Thread Chris Blown
The CSS3 content property is a grey semantic area IMHO. If you have hn content in the markup and adjust the presentation in the CSS like colours, fonts and backgrounds, Then what's so unsound about styling the content with an image, this is not content in my mind it is presentation, because it

Re: [WSG] Ways to minimise CSS file

2004-03-03 Thread Beau
James Ellis said: You could also divide your stylesheet up into different files - one for navigation, one for layout, one for headings etc etc - then link (or however you do it) them all in. I would have thought that from a general performance perspective, splitting the CSS into too many

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

2004-03-03 Thread Jackie Reid
And don't get me started on dls ;) this bit seems to have been swept under the carpet.. I'm really interested to hear what is wrong with dl's for navigation as, to my pedantic and not so up there with css sort of a mind, it actually seems like a pretty darn good idea to me. Jackie Reid

Re: [WSG] Nicely styled Hx tags

2004-03-03 Thread Kay Smoljak
russ weakley wrote: However, all of these image replacement methods have serious downsides that should be explained to designers before they jump on them as a solution. That's my view exactly. Some of the techniques are very good, but there's still nothing I'd want to use on a commercial

Re: [WSG] Ways to minimise CSS file

2004-03-03 Thread Adam Carmichael
JW wrote: enough hmm) but somehow still not very please with the overall file size. I heard about using php but just not very sure about the details. maybe some of you might know? PHP is a server side (well, mostly) programming language. Normally used to create HTML markup, but it can be used to

Re: [WSG] Ways to minimise CSS file

2004-03-03 Thread Justin French
On Thursday, March 4, 2004, at 02:53 PM, Adam Carmichael wrote: Beau wrote: James Ellis said: You could also divide your stylesheet up into different files - one for navigation, one for layout, one for headings etc etc - then link (or however you do it) them all in. I would have thought that

Re: [WSG] He said she said :-) FIR and other such techniques

2004-03-03 Thread scott parsons
OK, I have a question then with most image replacement techniques for headings the content remains in the html eg. h1title here please/h1 But is an image of this text in a pretty font or whatever even content? Isn't it just presentation and therefore the perfect thing for the stylesheet to

[WSG] Positioning driving me nuts

2004-03-03 Thread Jackie Reid
In my wisdom i have decided to revamp a site that's not even finished yet and now I've broke it!! Why won't the content sit up where it should here http://www.healthpoint.com.au/new2.php want the stuff that starts home new2 to sit up in the middle there and it just won't!! driving me