If it is the only thing
causing a site not to validate, what harm is it really?
Won't it push IE into quirks mode because it's not validating?
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Chris Keane writes:
If it is the only thing
causing a site not to validate, what harm is it really?
Won't it push IE into quirks mode because it's not validating?
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PLEASE turn off those automatic responders if you plan on inhabiting this
list. I don't post as much as I'd like to because I get a slew of out of
office responses.
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El mar, 11-05-2004 a las 22:54, east escribió:
No, that only happens if there's no doctype.
Or, if the DOCTYPE is somehow wrong. A (in)famous example are 'relative
URI' DOCTYPES
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I still think the Satay method is more elegant (and has far less code
clutter)
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Mario,
Ian Hickson recently came up with a more elegant
Bert,
I take a pragmatic approach to tables and columnar design: use a single
table with a single row and as many cells as I need (although invariably a
max of 3). Gets rid of all sorts of cross browser problems. I have had a
couple of Gecko purists efforting a table-less design for me just to
If it is the only thing
causing a site not to validate, what harm is it really?
Won't it push IE into quirks mode because it's not validating?
No, that only happens if there's no doctype.
Actually, IE also goes into quirks mode if any character appears *before*
the doctype, or the
An interesting point of view. I have used Satay,
_javascript_, and Ian Hickson's new method. I prefer the latter because it
eliminates the need for an extra SWF, as well as some of the problems detailed
in the extensive discussion that
followed.
Simon
Simon
Yes, but comments are for comments and not code. If we start putting
comments in to a script/markup that start to look like code to another
piece of software we'll have to stop using comments. Just another piece
of Microsoft stupidity to break the distinction between code and comments.
Yes but...
movie clips inside a loaded movie are less accessible, both in terms of
programming them and accessibility.
There are major issues with the satay method involving streaming.
It is a smart bit of coding, but I'll be sticking with the invalid
method (or possibly hixie's if I start
hear hear .. multi-columnnar sites are much easier to do with a single
wrap around table and work cross-browser than using a CSS for the sake
of it approach creating multi column layouts and faffing about s=as
Mike says
standards are all well and good, and where possible I have no problem
I can't seem to find a reference to this problem:
I have an list defined with a background image. If I place this next to an image
aligned left, the bullets are hidden by the image. I've tried different padding etc
and that makes no difference - developing purely for IE6
ul li {
Hi all,
The goal in adhering to web standards isn't to pass the validator, it's to
write valid code. The validator is just a tool to help achieve this. Fudging
to fool the validator is just cheating on a test.
If it's not in the spec it shouldn't be on the page, whether it's hard coded
or
Thank you Simon, Gene and Iain for your help and direction! It's truly
appreciated, and I'll review both solutions.
Kind regards,
Mario
Mario,
Ian Hickson recently came up with a more elegant alternative to the
Satay and JavaScript solutions.
Read his post about it here:
Hi Guys ..
I have the following page http://204.157.1.128/~wadigi/temp2.html with a
two column layout however i cant seem to make the sidebar div run
100% any help would be great !!!
Regards
Simon
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1. I have a multi-column layout... when I psuh the site to a layout for
handheld I'll turn off the floats that handle the columns. The content
will then cascade down the page. This will involve adding a new
stylesheet and linking to it via a media attr, a user agent sniff or a
hyperlink for
The easiest way that works well cross-browser wise is to use a
background image, either on the body or the container.
On May 11, 2004, at 20:35, simon wrote:
Hi Guys ..
I have the following page http://204.157.1.128/~wadigi/temp2.html with
a two column layout however i cant seem to make the
list-style-type: none; will remove the bullets non?
Also I think you could combine the background and background-color rules
to just read
background: transparent url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px;
The image that is aligned left? Is floated left?
Maybe try using margin-left if you want
James
Do you know what percentage of people browsing the net use handhelds? I
have been unable to find any statistics on it, but suspect its a very
small number.
My mode of operation is to always keep in mind the law of diminishing
returns when designing for a client as commercial realities
easy
put a globalWrap around your sideNav mainContent divs
create a 1px high background image of your sideNav blue but make sure
its the width of your sidenav then in the css put
#globalWrap{background: url(images/bg_sideNav.gif) repeat-y left}
problem solved
Ben
Hi Guys ..
I have the
using a CSS for the sake of it approach creating multi column
layouts and faffing about
I don't look at it that way...it's quite easy to get everything to work
right without tables if you're willing to put the effort in. Since mid
03 I have stopped using tables for anything other than what
Simon asked:
http://204.157.1.128/~wadigi/temp2.html with a
two column layout however i cant seem to make the sidebar div run
100% any help would be great !!!
Best solution I have found to the problem is:
http://www.alistapart.com/issues/167/
simple, effective and it works even with
I think you are missing the point to my original request. Thank you to
all who have replied. I understand now that this is not the appropriate
forum for this discussion.
I requested for you to review my AP (Award Program) not my entire
site. I'm currently working on a new site design that is much
No it does not remove the bullets as a background image is being used instead
I tried float and left align - same result. I also tried margin-left.
WP
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On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 21:19 -0400, Michael Donnermeyer wrote:
The worst thing that ever happened to the web was the idea of using
tables for layout...
That's a bold statement. Without designers using tables for layout, the
web would have been a boring place visually for a very long time. We're
It's not as though if we hadn't had tables for layout we would have sat around
doing nothing. If it hadn't been for table layout CSS would have been developed
sooner and taken up a lot faster.
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On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 21:19 -0400, Michael
very very handy crossbrowser tool - works in safari and firefox for me
- macie and the latest opera 7.5 beta/release candidate for mac don't
support it (yet - for opera) - can't test winie right now but i'm sure
someone will answer :)
This looks very kewl - but, while I could cut and paste
It worked for me no problem - I just dragged the bookmarklet link (the one
which is hosted on his server) from the page to my Firefox bookmark toolbar.
I have the Edit CSS extension installed...
K.
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I believe I have solved it - I think it's an IE Box model problem and may be isolated
to our LAN version of IE which sometimes appears to do IE 5 things instead of IE 6
(the bods tinker with it).
I specified a width (100%) for the UL and it's spot on now (running in non-quirks
mode).
WP
hey guys
i'm not sure anyone posted that in the list yet:
http://www.codepoetry.net/archives/2004/02/07/css_debugger_redux.php
very very handy crossbrowser tool - works in safari and firefox for me
- macie and the latest opera 7.5 beta/release candidate for mac don't
support it (yet - for
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Hi John,
Here are some comments on your site and the AP:
- Is the splash screen really needed? Seems it just introduces one extra
step to getting inside the site, which in today's world, could be one too
many. Personally, I would rethink having 'requirements' on the splash
screen as well. One
On May 11, 2004, at 9:30 pm, Vaska.WSG wrote:
I'm having the wost time right now trying to get IE to handle this
test page. I have two columns and inside of each column is a table
(one of which has a width of 100%). But IE just will not allow both
tables to align side-by-side. I have the
If one thing on a web site infuriates me, it is those Flash intros! I skip
away from them whenever I can and if there is no option to skip the intro,
then I end up closing the site and going somewhere else. My time is too
valuable to sit there and wait for these things to play. They serve no
On 11 May 2004, at 15:41, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
For one - you have a width defined container (#middle) next to a
floated box, this is sometimes (hmm) problematic in IE - the 3px jog
is messing things up.
Do you think so? I have a space in between the left and middle divs
that is left
Since it seems like a rather common problem...
My solution certainly required the box model hack. Plus instead of
left and right floats I used only left floats. All my column widths
are obviously fixed. Perhaps things were helped by the fact that only
one of the tables required a width of
Dear WSG,
Im not a big _javascript_ users, but I was wondering, does
a preload image _javascript_ speed up web pages that have many images?
njohnson
Good afternoon all,
I'm trying to design and create all my sites in 2004 using the XHTML and
CSS compliant standards. Although, I have six-plus years of Web and
graphic design experience, the Web standards guidelines and community are
quite new to me.
I've noticed that the EMBED tag doesn't
Nancy Johnson wrote:
does
a preload image _javascript_ speed up web pages that have many images?
No, it doesn't. Preloading is used for loading an image which you
aren't ready to display so that when you are ready to display it, it
will already be in the cache, and
Hi Mario,
I believe this article will be of help:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/
Good luck, :)
Iain
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Hi Mario, take a look at:
http://alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/
Regards,
Gean
Good afternoon all,
I'm trying to design and create all my sites in 2004 using the XHTML and
CSS compliant standards. Although, I have six-plus years of Web and
graphic design experience, the Web standards
There are several options.
You can use javascript to write the embed tag so that it passes the
validator. You can also use several techniques that will allow you to
exclude the embed tag altogether (Flash Satay and others).
I tend to just let the embed tag go as it is. I will validate my site
Mario,
Ian Hickson recently came up with a more elegant alternative to the Satay
and JavaScript solutions.
Read his post about it here: http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064count=1
And see his example here:
http://damowmow.com/playground/demos/flash/001.html
Simon Jessey
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