RE: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images

2004-06-08 Thread 7 sinz
lucky it's a promo :p From: Sean M. Hall (Dante) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images Date: 8 Jun 2004 03:39:27 + Hey guys. Yerba Buena Web Design (my own small design agency, which hasn't even officially opened yet) has created

Re: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place

2004-06-08 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Phillips, Wendy wrote: The page that opens in the new window has a number of anchor links - this is just one of them. I've tried changing to different anchors and the same problem occurs, unless it is the last anchor on the page and there is no where else for the window to shift to. I can only

RE: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
You can get clever and offer abbreviations and such - I believe the attribute is 'abbr'? - but I don't have an URL handy. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.6 Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford

RE: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images

2004-06-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
Im having trouble understanding how you think IE7 would be broken?! you're obviously missing the point. this refers to the .htc/behaviour based hack stylesheet to get the current IE to behave in a more standards-compliant way http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ (but see, that's what happens when

Re: [WSG] Safari and Opera

2004-06-08 Thread Richard Rutter
On 5 Jun 2004, at 12:44, Roger Johansson wrote: No. Styling form elements the same across platforms and browsers is not possible, since several browsers use the operating system's native widgets, and ignore most attempts at styling them. That's right. A particular example is the file upload box,

[WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Giles Clark
It seems to me that the web developer/designer community spends a huge amount of time whinging about the browser developers and their product's non-compliance, when the answer to the problem lies in their own hands. Our apparent willingness to jump through testing/bug-fix hoops because of the

[WSG] IE relative bug

2004-06-08 Thread Anders Ebdrup
Hi ! Hope you can help with my latest site at http://www.smartpage.dk/HBW/underwear.php? The submenu under SPAR 10% og KONTAKT, is placed behind the images, and this is only occuring in Internet Explorer... - and this is obviously not what it is menat to be! I think it has some to do with the

Re: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images

2004-06-08 Thread Michael Zeltner
Am 08.06.2004 um 05:39 schrieb Sean M. Hall (Dante): http://www.geocities.com/seanmhall2003/ie7.html I'd like your opinion on these two images (please remember that I'm a beginner at design). it crashes my safari for some reason? regards, michael PS: it would be nice if you'd use plain text

RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
It seems to me that the web developer/designer community spends a huge amount of time whinging about the browser developers and their product's non-compliance, when the answer to the problem lies in their own hands. The onus is shared between content developers, browser developers, users

[WSG] Help with making DIVs behave

2004-06-08 Thread Rosie Norwood
Hi all, Sorry for the basic question but I am new to making DIVs behave. I am converting my old site from tables to DIVs and trying to get a similar look. The page troubling me is: http://www.blackwork.com/test/sample.html The CSS is at: http://www.blackwork.com/test/stitches.css - the rules

Re: [WSG] Help with making DIVs behave

2004-06-08 Thread Michael Allan
Hi Rosie, The div's not misbehaving, it's the floated image ... but that's how floats are meant to work. Clearing the float by adding dl { clear:both; } to your stylesheet will give you what you want. Cheers, Mike On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 11:46 PM, Rosie Norwood wrote: Hi all, Sorry for

RE: [WSG] Help with making DIVs behave

2004-06-08 Thread Trusz, Andrew
Subject: Re: [WSG] Help with making DIVs behave Hi Rosie, The div's not misbehaving, it's the floated image ... but that's how floats are meant to work. Clearing the float by adding dl { clear:both; } to your stylesheet will give you what you want. Cheers, Mike On Tuesday, June 8, 2004,

Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 08:11 PM, Giles Clark wrote: snip Isn't it about time we took a more active role in shaping the future of browsers. We could clearly state that as a community we write/develop for a list of acceptable browsers which comply to standards (we're just going to have to

RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their ac t

2004-06-08 Thread Grossman, Susan
Title: RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act Had to reply to this one because I hear it repeated a lot and it's just not true. People would change browsers if they kept on getting jumbled, unreadable pages. I have worked in both large corporate and

Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread dan
If we are going to make sites that only work in certain browsers why not just code to IE's standards and not bother with the obscure browsers like firefox and opera. That way we don't need standards at all! I can have my marquee tag back and my ActiveX controls - Ill be able to do all kinds of

[WSG] www.seoed.com - Please review

2004-06-08 Thread Razvan Pop
Hello. http://www.seoed.com/ Please take a look at my site and tell me what you think. :) I would like some more opinions regarding usability and accessibility. I look forward for your feedback. Site in 90% finished. * The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, June 9, 2004, at 01:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we are going to make sites that only work in certain browsers why not just code to IE's standards and not bother with the obscure browsers like firefox and opera. That way we don't need standards at all! I can have my

Re: [WSG] www.seoed.com - Please review

2004-06-08 Thread Jad Madi
hi ther Razvan I'll talk about the visual design your navigation bar hmm need to rethink about it i On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:47:36 +0300, Razvan Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. http://www.seoed.com/ Please take a look at my site and tell me what you think. :) I would like some

RE: [WSG] www.seoed.com - Please review

2004-06-08 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: RE: [WSG] www.seoed.com - Please review Hey, This is really great, well done man! It looks all there to me usability and accessibility wise, I'll leave it to the bigger guns to find the nitty grittys with it. I'm happy with it though! Take care. Jamie Mason: Design -Original

RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their ac t

2004-06-08 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act Hi, I'd be happiest if an IE7.x came that was completely standards compliant and auto updated itself (without a facility to disable this) and if MS wanted to add any exclusive extras then they did, but that everything

RE: [WSG] www.seoed.com - Please review

2004-06-08 Thread Mike Foskett
Rarvan, Two quick points: 1. Please use % or ems for stating font-size. 2. Please separate adjacent links with a printable character. Or recode them as a list. Nice site keep it up. mike 2k:)2 -Original Message- From: Razvan Pop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 June 2003 16:48

Re: [WSG] www.seoed.com - Please review

2004-06-08 Thread Razvan Pop
Mike Foskett wrote: Rarvan, Two quick points: 1. Please use % or ems for stating font-size. 2. Please separate adjacent links with a printable character. Or recode them as a list. You are talking about the bottom navigation? Nice site keep it up. mike 2k:)2 -Original Message- From:

Re: [WSG] www.seoed.com - Please review

2004-06-08 Thread Nick Gleitzman
My comments are mainly about the interface: Can I suggest you use a list for the navigation bar at top? You have for the one at bottom... Maybe a bit more contrast in that navbar? even a bit more padding around the words themselves? You might like to look at the way the word 'SEOed' is

Re: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-08 Thread Jad Madi
hmm well its bad idea to use table in my case. I'll try to find a better way to list my hosting plans maybe boxes module ah its hard to build a good site heh Thank you folks On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:34:58 +0100, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can get clever and offer

RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their ac t

2004-06-08 Thread Nancy Johnson
Title: RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act If we are talking IE: Isnt the problem is that Microsoft is going to integrate its next version of IE directly into its operating system, which maybe an issue unto itself? Right or wrong they dont want to spend the

Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their ac t

2004-06-08 Thread J Rodgers
On 6/8/04 2:21 PM, Nancy Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we are talking IE: Isn¹t the problem is that Microsoft is going to integrate its next version of IE directly into its operating system, which maybe an issue unto itself? Right or wrong they don¹t want to spend the money to patch or

[WSG] webstandardsgroup.se registered - feedback wanted

2004-06-08 Thread Anton Andreasson
Hi, I just registered webstandardsgroup.se, a potential Swedish sister-site to webstandardsgroup.org. Got some ideas for it already, would be glad to recieve others too (preferably off-list). I'll keep you posted later on when ideas start to take more shape. cheers, /Anton -- What your body

RE: [WSG] Ordered list mark-up

2004-06-08 Thread CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh
Any more thoughts on this one please ? -Original Message- From: Bert Doorn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Ordered list mark-up G'day Well, the specs appear to have provision for it. Unfortunately the vast majority

RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Firminger
Nick, No, no - I'm not suggesting for a second we should *only* develop for IE, or any other certain browsers! Just the opposite - I make a point of delivering my clients' message to the maximum number of visitors. And I'm not bitter; just realistic. That's why I say 'IE is here to stay'.

Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their ac t

2004-06-08 Thread Ben Bishop
Nancy Johnson wrote: their users use. It would take a special interest group, maybe one for some disability, to publicize that using IE is inaccessible to them, and since IE is fairly accessible to most groups, I dont see that happening. At Sydney's April WSG meeting Checking for Web Access

Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Nick Lo
The first step should be a clear and unequivocal statement that we will not write fixes for new non-compliant browsers. Design a new Browser by all means, but make it compliant. By non-compliant you mean that they do not adhere to the standards put down by the W3C whose role is the development

Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, June 9, 2004, at 10:26 AM, Peter Firminger wrote: Could it be that your site is broken, not the browser? We don't have any trouble accommodating IE with standards compliant code. I think your taking the argument too far and blaming the tool. There are very few issues remaining if

RE: [WSG] www.seoed.com - Please review

2004-06-08 Thread Miles Tillinger
I think the design is great, very clean and easy to read. My only thought as far as standards go is that for the title 'SEOed.com' you could use: h1span class=oneSeo/spanspan class=oneed/spanspan class=one.com/span/h1 instead of an image and format the text with CSS, using some spans to

RE: [WSG] Ordered list mark-up

2004-06-08 Thread Gary Menzel
Any more thoughts on this one please ? My only comment is that the CSS solution provided isn't widely supported across commonly used browsers (like IE and Moz). This was highlighted in the original post of the solution. There is no other automatic way I can see of doing what you want (other

RE: [WSG] www.seoed.com - Please review

2004-06-08 Thread Dragan Simonovic
I think you should take out sitemap button from main navigation. Also this page http://www.seoed.com/glossary is pretty long and you don't have back to top button. It's clean and simple and I'll give you my $0.02.. regards, jazz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WSG] IE-Win / Floated List Issue

2004-06-08 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, June 9, 2004, at 01:51 PM, Michael Donnermeyer wrote: The Chapters are in an unordered list that's displayed inline and floated to the left. Of course the more proper browsers (Safari, Mozillas, Opera, IE-Mac) are handling everything correctly...IE Win however has decided to be

ADMIN thread closed Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-08 Thread James Ellis
This thread is now closed. Please put up your editors on the WSG website in the category provided. I've provided instructions on how to do this in a previous post. regards James Michael Donnermeyer wrote: On the Macs I usually use either Dreamweaver MX 2004 (code view) or BBEdit 7.1 for all my