Hi Andreas,
not sure about the article, but we do recommend to our clients that they
not use default place holding cahracters.
from what i have read on the various accessibility lists, it appears that
it is pretty safe to say that the checkpoint is no longer relevant.
but i may be
I honestly don't know which UA's have problems with inputs without
default text, but futher discussion of the WACG 1.0 until user
agents.. rules can be found at
http://www.juicystudio.com/tutorial/accessibility/interimsolutions.asp
The browser that parses out labels is Webbie. Download it and
A client of mine is teaching himself CSS. I took a look at some of his
code today (at his request) and saw that while he had set up a
hierarchy of headers (h1, h2, h3) in the HTML, he had done no more than
put an image inside each of them, with an alt tag. One of them was a
white rectangle
Title: RE: [WSG] Semantic status of images in headers
Hugh
I think you are right. There is some debate about the use of image replacement techniques and how effective they are from a standards perspective. The best technique I have seen was devised by Todd Fahrner and is detailed at Jeffrey
Enjoy! These are Day 2 photos atm will add the rest soon.
http://www.karmakars.com/weblog/archives/2004/10/04/we04gallery
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Thanks A lot!
I wasnt there, so - http://www.karmakars.com/WE04_gallery/window.php?8 -
Please explain ???
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Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/10/2004 10:54:20
AM:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, Consider this very simple HTML document:
...
How could leaving out the doctype make such a definite difference to
such
a simple page?
The crucial part of my answer was: If you know for
LOL we had a lot of fun :) Joe was at his best as always ;-)
I am updating the images and would have some more to add to the lot
and the image folder path problem should be resolved soon.
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 04:25:01 -0700, Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wasnt there, so -
Yes, this is exactly what I am interested in. Thank you for responding and I will try it out.
I also want to thank all of you who have responded to my inquiry, and have set the emails aside.
I haven't had time to try them out, but intend to soon.
Nancy JohnsonLea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Title: RE: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning
Dear Johnathan
I would recommend you read this short article.
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/doctype/
IMHO the setting of a DOCTYPE is an essential step in the migration to standards based web development. You have a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. However, I still don't understand WHY a
page requires a doctype declaration (in my case HTML 4.0
transitional) just to make a font-size style cascade from body
through to td.
I believe it's simply that quirks mode follows older browser
Peter Goddard wrote on 04/10/2004 11:10:07 PM:
I would recommend you read this short article.
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/doctype/
IMHO the setting of a DOCTYPE is an essential step in the migration
to standards based web development. You have a valid point that if
you want to
Martin J. Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/10/2004 11:28:07 PM:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. However, I still don't understand WHY a
page requires a doctype declaration (in my case HTML 4.0
transitional) just to make a font-size style cascade from body
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:55:42 -0400, Olajide Olaolorun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, I would like to know if Tables is standard. You see, I have been
into web standards for some time now nut I still use Tables and would
like to know if it is standards
Tables are valid HTML, but in the spirit
If you are using data tables, you need
to use at least table, tr, th and td and then associate the cells
(td's) with headers (th's).
Agree. Would be good to also include summary and caption in that list :)
Russ
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Another thing you might want to consider telling him, and this isn't
exactly a web standards issues, is that google may consider this
tactic (wrapping a blank white rectangle in h1 tag) to be deceptive
and SPAM.
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:55:16 +1000, Hugh Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A client of
Hi,
I'm doing server side validating on a form and I get some errors I'm not
able to decrypt.
So if someone have the time to take a look here
You need to move input type=hidden name=submitted value=1 inside a block level
element (in your case, move it into the fieldset which immediately follows it). Also,
as it's an empty element, you need to make it self-closing
input type=hidden name=submitted value=1 /
Patrick
-Original
Try and close it meaning
input type=blh blh=blh blah=blah /
Put the / before the ending and try it
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:54:15 +0200, Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I'm doing server side validating on a form and I get some errors I'm not
able to decrypt.
So if someone
You need to close your input tags...
input type=foo name=bar id=foobar /
You're missing the / part at the end.
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:54:15 +0200, Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I'm doing server side validating on a form and I get some errors I'm not
able to decrypt.
So if
Hello,
One thing I noticed is that your hidden input field isn't closed (like
for img and br): input /
cameron.
Kim Kruse wrote:
Hi,
I'm doing server side validating on a form and I get some errors I'm
not able to decrypt.
So if someone have the time to take a look here
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kim Kruse
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 11:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] Why wont this validate
Hi,
I'm doing server side validating on a form and I get some errors I'm not
able to decrypt.
Having a look I think its because you are validating against xhtml
strict but haven't closed the hidden input field. You have input ...
rather than input ... /, in xhtml all tags have to be closed,
including stand alone ones line input or hr.
Hope that helps
Gareth
On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 16:54,
Trusz, Andrew would like to recall the message, [WSG] Why wont this
validate.
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Wow that was fast... and I've been struggling with this for the last 2
hours. I have things to learn :o)
There where as Patrick and others wrote 2 problems. The missing closing
tag and the hidden fields should be wrapped in an block element. In this
case p tags as moving the hidden field into
I am stumped on this issue.
Our top nav has a simple tab setup. It looks proper in firefox, there should be a
thin white line separating the top nav from the subnav.
In IE, there appears to be 2px of bottom padding or margin on the top nav and it is
hiding the white line. I've tried all sorts
Um, local machines won't work out here!
P
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Drake
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] IE topnav problems
I am stumped on this issue.
Our top nav has a
brainfart time
Here are the right addresses
http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/help.do
and css
http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/css/nav.css
Thanks for pointing that out.
Ted
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From: Peter Firminger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 9:57
Hello,
My friend is asking me if i can use tags
ul
ol/ol
/ul
can i validate that?
its semantic correct?
Thanks;
Marky Pop.
Hi Marky,
My friend is asking me if i can use tags
ul
ol/ol
/ul
No, you can't. Unordered lists can only have list items as child
elements.
Cheers,
Andrew Taumoefolau
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Recently I posted a shorter be-nice-to-IE/MAC @media hack to another list.
There was an issue with the modified rule (and original rule using the
tantek hack) where the rules following the @media declaration were
delivered to NN4.
I have since developed this one line alternative which ensures
I'm having trouble getting a page to validate as xhtml 1.0 transitional.
http://v4.csavg40.com/csa/preparequote.do
It doesn't like this series of javascript stuff
input type=text name=departdate size=25 tabindex=5 value=mm/dd/
onkeydown=if(event.keyCode==9self.gfPop)gfPop.fHideCal();
It's an XHTML issue...here the validation report from BBEdit:
Value of attribute onkeydown for element input is invalid; Value
needs entity encoding
(if(event.keyCode==9amp;amp;self.gfPop)gfPop.fHideCal();).
On 5/10/04 10:12 AM, Ted Drake wrote:
I'm having trouble getting a page to validate as
Ted Drake wrote:
I'm having trouble getting a page to validate as xhtml 1.0 transitional. http://v4.csavg40.com/csa/preparequote.do
It doesn't like this series of javascript stuff
input type=text name=departdate size=25 tabindex=5 value=mm/dd/
Thanks
I also found that I needed to have a space between the properties, 9 self instead
of 9self or better yet 9 amp;amp; self.
Thank you for the quick help
Ted
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From: Terrence Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 2:29 PM
To: [EMAIL
The WE04 was great but unfortunately none of the speakers discussed the
issue of making PDF files accessible. I am currently facing this
problem.
You may be after tagged pdf's:
http://www.planetpdf.com/enterprise/article.asp?ContentID=6067
http://www.webaim.org/techniques/acrobat/
(links
On Tuesday, Oct 5, 2004, at 05:33 Australia/Sydney, Manuel González
Noriega wrote:
Genau Junior wrote:
Hello,
My friend is asking me if i can use tags
ul
ol/ol
/ul
No. Make it
ul
li
ol
liLong live lists!/li
/ol
/ul
Close, but no cigar. Make that
ul
liI love nested lists!
ol
Thanks Russ, for the quick reply.
The link you sent is quite informative but as Bruce Maguire also
believes, do you know of any GOOD PDF to HTML converters ?
Regards
Bhuvnesh
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Behalf Of russ - maxdesign
Sent:
Hi Bhuvnesh,
I don't know if this may suit your needs, but google's search results
for PDF's also provides a html version of the PDF.
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:37:15 +1000, CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
The WE04 was great but unfortunately none of the speakers discussed the
Bhuvnesh,
Try this also,
http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/accessibility.html#plugins
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:38:44 +1000, Andrew Ivin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Bhuvnesh,
I don't know if this may suit your needs, but google's search results
for PDF's also
Yes you can
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html
section 10.2
see DEPRECATED EXAMPLE:
~parker
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 05:46:20 +1000, Andrew Sione Taumoefolau
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Marky,
My friend is asking me if i can use tags
ul
ol/ol
/ul
No, you can't. Unordered
At 05:19 PM 10/4/2004, Parker Torrence wrote:
Yes you can
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html
section 10.2
see DEPRECATED EXAMPLE:
which is:
UL
LI ... Level one, number one...
OL
LI ... Level two, number one...
LI ... Level two, number two...
OL start=10
Hi guys,
I'm putting together a semantically correct UL of links for my
footer.
I'd like to have them separated by 'pipes' as this is a common
and easily recognised technique.
But the pipes themselves are irrelevant (semantically). So
here's what I've come up with...
ALSO! My one thing is
On Tuesday, Oct 5, 2004, at 10:19 Australia/Sydney, Parker Torrence
wrote:
Yes you can
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html
section 10.2
see DEPRECATED EXAMPLE:
~parker
OK, maybe so... but deprecated means it's not a good idea to use it
(just because it 'works' doesn't mean you should).
Thank you everybody.
Paul, Torrence, Nick and others .
I understood the semantic order.
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From: Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 9:54 PM
Subject: Re:_[WSG]_OL_or_UL? _It´s_rigth?
At 05:19 PM 10/4/2004, Parker
Hi all. I'm trying to do something which I know is easy with tables, but of course,
that's not my first preference. Basically, it's a footer line with an ABN number (for
non-Australians, a business registration number) on the left, and an unordered list on
the right with validation links, an
Joshua,
Try putting the ABN in a p tag, giving it a width (in ems) and floating
it left. You will also need to give your ul a width.
It's easier to see what's going on if you give your elements background
colours (temporarily).
-Hugh Todd
Hi all. I'm trying to do something which I know is
Title: Re: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links
For the line wrapping issue, you could try:
whitespace: nowrap;
On whatever element is giving you trouble.
Cheers,
Kevin Futter
On 5/10/04 11:28 AM, Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi guys,
I'm putting together a
Hi Joshua,
try wrapping the abn in p.
#footer {clear: both;}
#footer p {float:left;}
#footer ul {float: right;}
#footer li {display:inline;}
Joe
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:49:01 +1000, Joshua Street
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all. I'm trying to do something which I know is easy with tables,
Title: Re: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links
Sure but this only works on, like, two browsers!
Is there a funckier CSS hack kind of way?
:o)
Richard
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Kevin Futter
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 12:02
The method your using looks similar to the one described on A List Apart
www.a*list**apart*.com/articles/taming*list*s/ ?? or it could have come
from http://glazkov.com/blog/articles/CssPipedList.aspx
I have an example at http://hamilton.id.au/temp/pipedlist.html using
multiple words per
Richard
See how I display the pipes on the horizontal menu at www.bhatt.id.au
using css borders.
the list itself has a border-left, and all list items have a border-right
Neerav Bhatt
http://www.bhatt.id.au
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Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27
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Hi Terrence
This does indeed look like it could be useful, could you show an
example in context? Eg with rules above and below for people like me
who need it a little clearer?
Thanks so much.
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Hi Guys,
I have just joined the list after attending WE04.
My name is Todd Baker and I work as a XSLT/XHTML/CSS developer in Sydney.
I am doing a big CSS based rebuild for one of our clients and am
having some troubles with our fluid layout.
I want to use horizontal lists for our primary
I have to say I'd use an extra class on the first li over that big
chunk o' Javascript any day. Apart from the extra code, what if I have
Javascript disabled?
My 2c...
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On Tuesday, Oct 5, 2004, at 13:55
just a quick thought that may be completely wrong, but have you tried %
based padding for li ?
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Todd
Hi Richard
Ben's solution requires a separate class attached to the
first list item. Again - this is kind of clunky when you're
trying to work with the best possible form of an inherited
cascade. That's why I used the JavaScript to kill the first
LI in each UL in the footer - at least
Good point - I guess I might settle for Neerav's option and have the pipes
at the beginning and the end
phooey! wish i could've gotten a solution to that one :o(
that's for eveyone's input though...
Richard
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Nup - collapses in IE :o(
Richard
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From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Fluid Horizontal Lists
just a quick thought that may be completely wrong, but have you tried %
based padding for li ?
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:20:24 +1000, Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
just a quick thought that may be completely wrong, but have you tried %
based padding for li ?
Thanks Neerav,
Same thing.. I have to use VERY small % (like 1%) or it spreads out
HUGE and then it hardly expands at all as the
Recent discussions about building a footer with numerous linked items
styled as an unordered list has got me thinking about correct semantics
verses light code/css.
In using strictly correct semantics to mark-up content I think sometimes
we run the risk of developing over complicated and bloated
Todd,
If you turn the 'a's into block elements and float them left, adding no
padding or border, you can give them widths of 20% and have them span
the page.
#nav ul li a
{
padding: .2em 0;
display: block;
float: left;
width: 20%;
}
Of course, this means you lose your dividers. If you add
I did something like that for a project. From memory I ended up using something
like this (it had three items):
ul {
padding:0;
margin:0;
}
li {
display: inline;
list-style:none;
padding:0;
margin:0;
}
a {
width:33%;
float:left;
I've found adding dividers in the form of borders are more trouble than they are
worth in liquid horizontal lists. One solution is to put the dividers in as 1px
wide background images rather than left or right borders.
Jake
Quoting Hugh Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Todd,
If you turn the 'a's into
Interesting approach...
I was trying to use padding/margins as I wanted to ensure that XXX
menu itme wasnt as wide as XX if ya know what I mean.
Your solution does work but ive lost the variable widths. Ill have a
play with it.
Yeah the IE min-width thing is a b***ch. Im using the
FYI
http://www.apple.com/pro/words/meyer/
-Hugh Todd
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On Oct 5, 2004, at 13:03, Natalie Buxton wrote:
This does indeed look like it could be useful, could you show an
example in context? Eg with rules above and below for people like me
who need it a little clearer?
http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/hiding/#atmedia
It should be noted that this technique
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