Re: [WSG] editor

Artemis wrote: I'm confused lol. My personal site is XHTML and I don't get any popup box when viewing in IE. What is this used for? Why would the average personal site need it? If you could explain in "beginner speak", I would greatly appreciate it :) Information at the end of these links,

Re: [WSG] XML Declaration (was: Re: editor)

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: An added advantage of including the 'xml declaration' is that IE7 won't be triggered by it. IE7 will simply skip it and treat 'xhtml 1.0' in 'Strict mode'. Therefore we have a built-in filter to avoid feeding IE6 styles to IE7, when our IE6 styles are using the old '* html'

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

Matthew Cruickshank wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: Yes. Why should we attempt to hide the truth from them, especially when they're just starting out and they need to lose/avoid any bad habits and mistakes as quickly as possible. Yours is a fringe and pedantic opinion, and you're being ridiculous

Re: [WSG] editor

Artemis wrote: I'm confused lol. My personal site is XHTML and I don't get any popup box when viewing in IE. That is because the MIME type sent in the HTTP Content-Type header would be set to text/html. As has been discussed in this thread, the correct MIME type is application/xhtml+xml, but

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: Lachlan, you have been on this list long enough to know that when you make extreme statements such as "since you're new, you might want to stick with HTML4" or "IE does not support XHTML", that debate will ensue. So be it. If there are still people that don'

Re: [WSG] XML Declaration

Lachlan Hunt wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: An added advantage of including the 'xml declaration' is that IE7 won't be triggered by it. IE7 will simply skip it and treat 'xhtml 1.0' in 'Strict mode'. Therefore we have a built-in filter to avoid feeding IE6 styles to IE7, when our IE6 styles are

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

[Lachlan wrote: IE has no native support for XHTML at all.] So it's not "native" support but there _is_ support. How can you tell if there is support, well, you do test-cases. If one can produce a test-case of valid XHTML served as HTML to IE and IE parses it correctly, then there is support. Wh

RE: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

Lachlan, I was a science major in college and went into biotech which is dominated by men. Your advice to me as a newcomer to just stick with HTML4 rather than to try to learn the right way to use XHTML right off the bat reminded me of the experiences I have had in science that I believe have been

RE: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

I'm trying to use TSWebEditor (www.tswebeditor.tk) at the moment. It has a few annoying features but that is offset by a host of good things (including PHP script debugging - if you need it :) and CSS Editing dialogs) I'm a bit of a fundamentalist when it comes to editors and use SCITE because wh

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

<...> > The main thing is that markup is parsed correctly and there is no data loss. > How can IE do this > reliably? Because valid XHTML markup written to comparability guidelines is a > sub-set of HTML. <...> The main thing is, that if parsed correctly by HTML parser XTHML would even "produce"

Re: [WSG] Site check and review please

Thank you rob, I'm not sure is it the weekend of my message wasn't clear, its the first time this list return with only one response Regards Jad madi Blog http://jadmadi.net/ Web standards Planet http://W3planet.net/ ** The discussion list fo

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

Rimantas Liubertas wrote: The main thing is, that if parsed correctly by HTML parser XTHML would even "produce" more data, or to say it more exact, browsers would show more. I mean an extra ">" popping up for every and . Those compatibility guidelines rely solely on browsers failing to implem

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

Lori Cole wrote: I think I will start attending a local user group rather than using this list as I think people behave differently face to face[...] Lowri, I agree that people sometimes behave differently face to face. My impression is that the response you received was not due to any sexism

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

On 12/3/05, Lori Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lachlan, > I was a science major in college and went into biotech which is dominated by > men. Your advice to me as a newcomer to just stick with HTML4 rather than > to try to learn the right way to use XHTML right off the bat reminded me of > the

Re: [WSG] editor

On 12/3/05, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Be aware that an XML 1.0 parser that was not built for XML 1.1 as well, > will fail with a well-formedness error if version="1.1" is encountered > in the declaration. For XML 1.0, the XML declaration is optional. Wait, so you are saying that I

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

Lori Cole wrote: I think I will start attending a local user group rather than using this list as I think people behave differently face to face and maybe some women will be there. Thanks for those of you that have commented constructively about IE and tidy. I took an HTML II online course wi

RE: [WSG] liquid widths

You may want to check this in 800 x 600 >> you have horiz scroll bar. The original doesn’t. thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kvnmcwebn Sent: 03 December 2005 00:10 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] liquid widths Im only s

Re: [WSG] XML Declaration

Could someone please spell the appropriate markup on the XHTML versus HTML issue? In other words, instead of the following: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xml:lang="en" lang="en"> is it more proper to write the following? http://www.w

Re: [WSG] XML Declaration

On 12/3/05, T. R. Valentine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Put another way, is the value for 'content' the key for determing MIME type? > > The reason I am puzzled is that the latter example (which, *if* I have > understood what has been written should not work in IE because it is > XHTML) appears to

Re: [WSG] XML Declaration

On 03/12/05, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If your server is sending the MIME type text/html, then the META > doesn't do anything. You need to change the MIME type being sent out > in the headers, and that is done server side. Thanks for that explanation. But what about when simp

Re: [WSG] XML Declaration

2005/12/3, T. R. Valentine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 03/12/05, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If your server is sending the MIME type text/html, then the META > > doesn't do anything. You need to change the MIME type being sent out > > in the headers, and that is done server sid

Re: [WSG] editor

Christian Montoya wrote: Wait, so you are saying that I could serve application/xhtml+xml to modern browsers without the xml declaration? What about declaring the stylesheets in xml declarations at the top of the document? I thought that was required. As we're talking about xhtml (rather than

Re: [WSG] editor

On 12/3/05, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christian Montoya wrote: > > > Wait, so you are saying that I could serve application/xhtml+xml to > > modern browsers without the xml declaration? What about declaring the > > stylesheets in xml declarations at the top of the document? I th

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

Christian Montoya wrote: Lori, don't give up on us so fast. I can assure you that Lachlan's comments were not meant to be sexist, and I think the discussion that ensued has been helpful for us all. Even if someone on this list does say something you don't like, don't let it discourage you, becau

Re: [WSG] editor

Anne van Kesteren wrote: There was this note once from the W3C which said that the XML Style Sheet PI should be used when the media type of the XHTML file is application/xhtml+xml[1]. And as "should" is similar to a "must"... Ah, I see, cheers Anne. On the "should" issue: from http://www.rfc-

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

and http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resourcecat30.cfm Or I personally use BBEdit on OSX and PSPad on WXP (+ jEdit and Eclipse on both). -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com **

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

Lachlan Hunt wrote: I might add that my "fringe and pedantic opinion" is based on fact, and that not one valid technical argument has yet been raised in this thread against any of the technical reasons I've posted. Ah, but the argument is not strictly one of technicalities -- it's a matter of o

Re: [WSG] editor

Christian Montoya wrote: On 12/3/05, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Be aware that an XML 1.0 parser that was not built for XML 1.1 as well, will fail with a well-formedness error if version="1.1" is encountered in the declaration. For XML 1.0, the XML declaration is optional. Wait, s

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

Matthew Cruickshank wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: I might add that my "fringe and pedantic opinion" is based on fact, and that not one valid technical argument has yet been raised in this thread against any of the technical reasons I've posted. Ah, but the argument is not strictly one of technical

[WSG] Learning asp.net with standards

Dear List: A pending graduate IT student asked my opinion on .net technologies. My understating, less than a month old, designing UI's for .net applications, is that the need for standards within this framework is without question. Having approached the list last month with issues regardi

Re: [WSG] XML Declaration

T. R. Valentine wrote: On 03/12/05, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If your server is sending the MIME type text/html, then the META doesn't do anything. You need to change the MIME type being sent out in the headers, and that is done server side. The only reason the meta element

Re: [WSG] Learning asp.net with standards

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Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

Lori Cole wrote: I was a science major in college and went into biotech which is dominated by men. Your advice to me as a newcomer to just stick with HTML4 rather than to try to learn the right way to use XHTML right off the bat reminded me of the experiences I have had in science that I believe

Re: [WSG] Learning asp.net with standards

On 12/4/05, Chris Kennon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear List: > > A pending graduate IT student asked my opinion on .net technologies. > My understating, less than a month old, designing UI's for .net > applications, is that the need for standards within this framework is > without question. > >

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: User agents come and go, so how one browser parses markup is so trivial in the larger scheme of things. What is really important is content. If people write content in HTML they are creating legacy data because it is not easily parsable from a content management