Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again

2006-02-27 Thread SunUp
On 2/27/06, Al Sparber wrote: I don't think you need to go back to 10th grade, but - for your own sake - you might want to read Genesis 4:9 :-) Al, Read, duly noted, and point taken. Also pertinent, is the quote I received with my Word a Day email today: It came to me that reform should

Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again

2006-02-27 Thread Absalom Media
Ben Buchanan wrote: Hi, I hereby publicly declare that my days of complaining to website authors that I cannot view their site at 800x600, and then opening my big mouth about other dubious issues I notice on their site, are now over. [snip] I'm astonished at the tone - although not

Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again

2006-02-27 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Lea de Groot wrote: Maybe (s)he knew all those things were a problem I doubt it. If that were the case, I'm sure the response would have been more along the lines of: Thank you, we are aware of these problems and we are investigating ways to fix them, but at this stage there is nothing we

Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again

2006-02-27 Thread Absalom Media
Lachlan Hunt wrote: What kind of person would rather insult the customer instead of admitting they have a problem? A bank ? I managed to get the standard filler text for a bank's customer service department in pointing out some issues on Firefox 1.5. The problem still isn't fixed either..

Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again

2006-02-27 Thread Mark Harris
SunUp wrote: /me considers changing her name to sundown You'll need a satin dress and a very private room, and watch yourself around the back stairs ;-) mark ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again

2006-02-27 Thread adam LEAPER
who was this whole msg about, sunny? or what, or he started it about some1 else ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

ADMIN: Thread Closing Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again

2006-02-27 Thread Lea de Groot
On 27/02/2006, at 7:23 PM, adam LEAPER wrote: who was this whole msg about, sunny? or what, or he started it about some1 else Thats ok - I don't think we need to name names. mutters some legal mumbo jumbo Going once, going twice... If no one has anything good to add, I think we can close

RE: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again

2006-02-27 Thread Giles Clark
Time to name names. I would like to avoid the ISP you talk about. Wich company is it? :) Giles ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the

Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again

2006-02-27 Thread SunUp
On 2/27/06, Ben wrote: I'm astonished at the tone - although not especially surprised by the content - of their reply. Even if they thought you were being the biggest pain in history, they should remain polite when replying. I should confess that, by the time I got the comments that I shared

[WSG] Do you still support 4.0 browsers?

2006-02-27 Thread leenath1
I found this an interesting read. Click on the following link and scroll to the very bottom of the page and see what browser Acer recommends their site is best experienced with... http://www.acer.com.au/acer/akc/acerau.nsf/Page/Products_and_Technology Makes you wonder about their products,

Re: [WSG] Do you still support 4.0 browsers?

2006-02-27 Thread James Bennett
On 2/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But in all seriousness, if you were setting up a website for a client who has never been on the web before (no server logs to analyse) and is marketing their gates/fencing business, would you try and support 4.0 browsers? For a given

Re: [WSG] Do you still support 4.0 browsers?

2006-02-27 Thread Ian Anderson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But in all seriousness, if you were setting up a website for a client who has never been on the web before (no server logs to analyse) and is marketing their gates/fencing business, would you try and support 4.0 browsers? Has the time come to just have a disclaimer on

Re: [WSG] Do you still support 4.0 browsers?

2006-02-27 Thread Geoff Deering
James Bennett wrote: I think the time has long since come to stop having disclaimers about browser support; make sure the content of the site is accessible whether people are using new browsers, old browsers, non-visual browsers, or just shouting into tin cans with strings attached. Then

Re: [WSG] Do you still support 4.0 browsers?

2006-02-27 Thread Ric Raftis
If you go to the Australian Taxation Office's site you will find that if you want to download and use E Tax, that you have to use a Version 5 browser and above. Does it get worse.my word it does... it has to be IE If you want to use their electronic business access you have to use IE

[WSG] Safari stylesheet switcher wierdness!

2006-02-27 Thread Adam Morris
http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish I'm trying to provide two versions: fixed and fluid. On FF everything is fine, IE not too sure about... but Safari..! On returning to fixed width after choosing the fluid version, all background images aren't there anymore, and, sometimes, the entire page

[WSG] Re: Do you still support 4.0 browsers?

2006-02-27 Thread Andrew Cunningham
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But in all seriousness, if you were setting up a website for a client who has never been on the web before (no server logs to analyse) and is marketing their gates/fencing business, would you try and support 4.0 browsers? Has the time come to just have a

Re: [WSG] Do you still support 4.0 browsers?

2006-02-27 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But in all seriousness, if you were setting up a website for a client who has never been on the web before (no server logs to analyse) and is marketing their gates/fencing business, would you try and support 4.0 browsers? Has the time come to just have a disclaimer

Re: [WSG] Do you still support 4.0 browsers?

2006-02-27 Thread Al Sparber
From: Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] I often add links to http://browsehappy.com/ since all IE versions up to and including IE7 are/will be less capable than the others, and leave the rest up to the visitor without further disclaimers of any sort - apart from those I include on my own site

[WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-27 Thread Curby
What is the recommended way for linking back to the top of the page? I can't link to the id of my H1 because of my CSS. The name attribute of the A tag is deprecated/removed[1]. And while some people might say use the scrollbar or press Home I'm wondering if anyone has experimented with these:

Re: [WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-27 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Curby wrote: What is the recommended way for linking back to the top of the page? I can't link to the id of my H1 because of my CSS. The name attribute of the A tag is deprecated/removed[1]. ... [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/changes.html#a_changes It's only deprecated in XHTML 1.1, which

Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again

2006-02-27 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Ah, I remember working as an ASP/SQL developer for a local company that was the leader in site construction. At the time, I was just discovering CSS layout techniques, and felt obligated to try and change the whole company over to the newer better way of building sites. I worked with a

Re: [WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-27 Thread Paul Novitski
At 05:35 AM 2/27/2006, Curby wrote: What is the recommended way for linking back to the top of the page? I can't link to the id of my H1 because of my CSS. Whoa. Stop right there. How can CSS stop you from linking to an h1 that's got an id? Paul

Re: [WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-27 Thread Ian Anderson
Curby wrote: What is the recommended way for linking back to the top of the page? I can't link to the id of my H1 because of my CSS. The name attribute of the A tag is deprecated/removed[1]. And while some people might say use the scrollbar or press Home I'm wondering if anyone has experimented

Re: [WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-27 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Paul Novitski wrote: At 05:35 AM 2/27/2006, Curby wrote: What is the recommended way for linking back to the top of the page? I can't link to the id of my H1 because of my CSS. Whoa. Stop right there. How can CSS stop you from linking to an h1 that's got an id? It depends where the H1 is

Re: [WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-27 Thread Darren West
a href=#Back to Top/a On 27/02/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Novitski wrote: At 05:35 AM 2/27/2006, Curby wrote: What is the recommended way for linking back to the top of the page? I can't link to the id of my H1 because of my CSS. Whoa. Stop right there. How can

Re: [WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-27 Thread Ian Anderson
Lachlan Hunt wrote: It depends where the H1 is positioned. If it's not at the top, the page won't be scrolled to the top. If the H1 isn't at the top of the content, then I'd say there's a pretty good case for saying that the H1 is in the wrong place. The top of the content is where it

Re: [WSG] Do you still support 4.0 browsers?

2006-02-27 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Al Sparber wrote: It's always good to ask the client if he or she wants a tangential statement associated with their business. It could make more traditional business people feel uneasy - with their web developer. Sounds reasonable :-) I never push anything in there against a client's will.

Re: [WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-27 Thread Curby
On 2/27/06, Ian Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: It depends where the H1 is positioned. If it's not at the top, the page won't be scrolled to the top. If the H1 isn't at the top of the content, then I'd say there's a pretty good case for saying that the H1 is in

Re: [WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-27 Thread Ian Anderson
Curby wrote: Lachlan is right, I use image replacement to reposition and stick an image in the upper-lefthand corner of the viewport instead of the normal H1 text. It stays visible in the corner for compatible browsers. Example: http://curby.net/doc/layout/jello-new.html Sorry to

Re: [WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-27 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ian Anderson wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: It depends where the H1 is positioned. If it's not at the top, the page won't be scrolled to the top. If the H1 isn't at the top of the content, then I'd say there's a pretty good case for saying that the H1 is in the wrong place. I meant not at

[WSG] form button css

2006-02-27 Thread Ted Drake
Hi All I'm having some trouble using an image as a button in a form. I've zeroed out the margins and paddings in this simple search box and yet the button wants to sit about 6px higher than the label and input. I've added this klunky css, margin:6px 0 -6px 0; This just doesn't look good to me.

Re: [WSG] form button css

2006-02-27 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 28/02/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #foo form { text-align:center; padding:0; }#foo label { color:#fff; font-size:85%; margin:0 5px; font-weight:bold; }#foo input{ margin:0 5px;}#foo button {border:none; height:23px; background:none; padding:0 0 0 0; margin:6px 0 -6px 0;} Just a

RE: [WSG] form button css

2006-02-27 Thread Ted Drake
Hi Seona Great idea. I dont know if I had any sitewide img margins, but its possible. I added the reference and was able to simplify the css: #foo button {border:none; background:none; padding:0; margin: 0 0 -6px 0;} #foo button img {margin:0; padding:0;} Im still curious if form

Re: [WSG] form button css

2006-02-27 Thread Irina Ahrens
I tried this markup in IE6 and Firefox 1.5 without [margin:6px 0 -6px 0;]. Everything lines up well. It is obviously some other CSS that affects your button. I agree with Seona's suggestion #foo button img { margin: 0; padding: 0; } Cheers, Irina.On 2/28/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi

Re: [WSG] form button css

2006-02-27 Thread James Gellan
Ted, Its relatively easy to do what you are trying to do ..I accomplished the same thing on my site with this code. .newsletter-button1 {font-family:'Street Corner'; font-style:normal; font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:normal; font-size:10px; color:rgb(51,51,51);

[WSG] Quick help please...

2006-02-27 Thread Alastair Steel
Hi all, This is a simple question but I have not had the needed this functionality before. Is is possible to use CSS to insert text into HTML. I have a #logo where I usually insert the company logo but this client wants text and I do not particularly want to edit the application just to produce

Solution! RE: [WSG] form button css

2006-02-27 Thread Ted Drake
Ok, I found the ultimate solution while working on another section where inline images were not aligning with text. Im using button with an image per Thierrys suggestion. I didnt want to use background image on an input because there are some browser inconsistencies and I didnt want to

Re: Solution! RE: [WSG] form button css

2006-02-27 Thread sharron
Ted, I apologize for getting off topic. I visited you site last-child.com, and your link to FF Alistapart search box won't work for me. Using FF, also can't seem to locate a contact link to notify you. Do you mean for folks who find things that don't seem to work to leave a comment in the

Re: [WSG] Quick help please...

2006-02-27 Thread Ben Buchanan
Hi, This is a simple question but I have not had the needed this functionality before. Is is possible to use CSS to insert text into HTML. While it is possible to use CSS to generate content (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html), IE doesn't support it. Big surprise there! Unless the

Re: [WSG] Quick help please...

2006-02-27 Thread Alastair Steel
No IE used by our users. Thanks for the link. Much appreciated. off topic I spoke to a CTO yesterday who is sticking with a 90k a year bill for an email solution because 6 executives want 100% blackberry support. LOL. That's a lot of $ to look like a w. On 28/02/2006, at 2:43 PM,

RE: Solution! RE: [WSG] form button css

2006-02-27 Thread Ted Drake
Hi Sharron Thanks for the note. I just started working on the site Saturday and have tons of work fixing pages. The content is from my other site, which is getting watered down with posts about photography, culture, etc. Yes, please leave a comment on the post and Ill fix it as soon as

[WSG] AIMIA Awards

2006-02-27 Thread Kat
Gday, I find this list filled with dynamic, inspirational people. I come away being motivated and energised. I love youse guys. :) Today, I came across AIMIA (Australian Interactive Media Industry Association - http://www.aimia.com.au/) that are having their 12th Annual AIMIA awards. Is

RE: [WSG] AIMIA Awards

2006-02-27 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
Hi Kat, Completely agree with you. I have been member with AIMIA for a couple of years, but to be honest I didn't quite get out of it what I was hoping for. In my opinion they are blowing the Accessibility Trumpet without knowing how to read the notes. Being probably the No.1 association in

Re: [WSG] AIMIA Awards

2006-02-27 Thread sharron
278 errors and 799 warnings on the index page alone. - Original Message - From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: [WSG] AIMIA Awards Gday, I find this list filled with dynamic, inspirational people. I come away

Re: [WSG] AIMIA Awards

2006-02-27 Thread Geoff Deering
Kat wrote: Gday, I find this list filled with dynamic, inspirational people. I come away being motivated and energised. I love youse guys. :) Today, I came across AIMIA (Australian Interactive Media Industry Association - http://www.aimia.com.au/) that are having their 12th Annual AIMIA

Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again

2006-02-27 Thread Steve Olive
On 27/02/2006, at 7:39 PM, Absalom Media wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: What kind of person would rather insult the customer instead of admitting they have a problem? A bank ? I managed to get the standard filler text for a bank's customer service department in pointing out some issues on

RE: [WSG] AIMIA Awards

2006-02-27 Thread Miles Tillinger
I am going to the Awards ceremony at the Adelaide Convention Centre as my work was given some invites. I'm interested to see what sort of role standards has played in the finalists projects and I'll be sure to ask lots of annoying questions if I get the chance! Sifting through the finalists

RE: [WSG] AIMIA Awards

2006-02-27 Thread Miles Tillinger
Further investigation shows that there are a few finalists that have somewhat adhered to standards, but hardly to the level of satisfaction that many WSG regulars would want. I think they're missing a category: BEST ACCESSIBILITY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-27 Thread Curby
On 2/27/06, Ian Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curby wrote: Lachlan is right, I use image replacement to reposition and stick an image in the upper-lefthand corner of the viewport instead of the normal H1 text. It stays visible in the corner for compatible browsers. Example:

Re: [WSG] AIMIA Awards

2006-02-27 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 2/28/06, Miles Tillinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think they're missing a category: BEST ACCESSIBILITY That's just one of the reasons why Port80 ran the inaugural WA Web Awards last year (http://www.wawebawards.com.au). Standards and Accessbility was one of the categories and although not