RE: [WSG] Less than and greater than in UTF-8 encoded HTML
and and should always be written as entities because they will interfere with the syntax otherwise. (And sometimes ). On the other hand, utf-8 should allow you to use actual characters for every other character you are likely to want to include in your content, and doing so is recommended. See http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-escapes Note that lt; gt; and amp; will always be recognised in HTML and XML, but there may be occasions when other entities are not recognised, so you may want to consider using NCRs (numeric character references) instead. This is explained in the article above. Btw, the latest incarnation of my Unicode code converter http://rishida.net/scripts/uniview/conversion allows you to do 2 useful things in this regard: [1] paste some HTML into the top right field and in the top left field it will strip ncrs/entities apart fromand from the HTML text [2] paste some HTML into the top left field and in the top right field it will convert all and characters to entities - very useful for preparing examples of code in HTML. RI Richard Ishida Internationalization Lead W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) http://www.w3.org/International/ http://rishida.net/blog/ http://rishida.net/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cockayne Sent: 14 November 2007 14:42 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Less than and greater than in UTF-8 encoded HTML Hi, How should I code less than and greater than signs in UTF-8 encoded HTML? I.e. I want them to appear on the web page as follows: ... The quick brown fox said 3 is less than 4, then he wrote 3 4. ... file:///C:/Program%20Files/Apache%20Software%20Foundation/Apache2.2/htdocs/PHPDEVZONE/shield/www.shield.on.ca.htm Cheers, Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
On 15/11/07 (11:15) Ross said: As a general rule of thumb if you are looking for online tutorials and examples that are teaching good modern JavaScript go find another one if it tells you to use things like: document.write inline event handlers (like onclick) browser sniffing This is quite a simple list but a good one to get started with! Sorry to return to this thread so late in the day, but I'm just at the point of perhaps trying my hand at Javascript for the first time (never been a programmer, aside from a bit of simplistic Actionscript) and remembered reading this thread so I thought I'd give it another once-over. Ross's warnings about avoiding old school techniques are well taken; the problem I have is that I know so completely and utterly nothing about Javascript at this stage that I can't even judge from the book that I have whether they are advocating these techniques or not. The book in question is the 6th edition of Visual Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax; I bought it a few months back in anticipation of dipping my toes in the JS ocean, but in light of the best practice discussions in this thread I don't want to waste my time on the 'wrong' book. Now, I could wade through it and try to learn enough to decipher precisely what it is advocating, but that could take a while. So I thought, as a first port of call, I'd ask the list and see if anyone here has any experience with this book and can advise me of whether or not it falls foul of the crimes that Ross points out. In summary, then, does anyone recommend me hanging onto Visual Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.) or should I just ditch it and buy Jeremy Keith's Dom Scripting book instead? (Just trying to save myself some time is all) TIA... -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
Rick, on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at 13:50 Web Standards Group wrote: On 15/11/07 (11:15) Ross said: document.write inline event handlers (like onclick) browser sniffing In summary, then, does anyone recommend me hanging onto Visual Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.) or should I just ditch it and buy Jeremy Keith's Dom Scripting book instead? If you are just starting, you should read a book for beginners that introduces you to to language and it's structure. Learn about objects, functions, datatypes, control structures ... If you find one of the keywords, that Russ listed before, your alarm bells should ring. Keep on reading, but start thinking why this is bad. (You can always return to the list and ask...) Once you feel familiar with the language, switch to Jeremy's book. It's very well written, but you should have an idea how JS works. You will find the answers to your questions in this book. When you know about JS and DomScripting it's time to jump on the AJAX-train, but not before you know the basics. Good luck! Martin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
On 27/11/07 (13:17) James said: Hi Rick, I can't comment on the Visual Quickstart book as I haven't read it, but having only just started really looking at Javascript myself, I can vouch for Jeremy Keith's book being very good indeed. I have found it very easy to read (each chapter takes about 20-30 minutes to go through properly) and it has meant I have been able to implement unobtrusive DOM scripting to enhance pages and solve problems I've had hanging around for ages. I would suggest that even if the Visual Quickstart book is good, that it may be worth spending the time with the Keith book too. Hope that helps, James Thanks James, that's really helpful. I think I already know that I'm going to be buying Jeremy Keith's book, truth be told (having been looking at a bunch of reviews of it on Amazon etc since I posted to the list). Still, if anyone has an opinion on the Visual Quickstart book as well, I'd be interested to hear it, just so I know whether it's worth glancing at *at all*. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
I would endorse any recommendations for Jeremy Keith's book. Superb stuff! I would say it's a great place to start. You need to understand all the issues he raises such as degradation (in the event of the client having JS switched off in the browser etc. JK just has such a good way of explaining a good DOM scripting approach. Sorry, I don't know the book you have. HTH Peter Goddard Developer/Programmer PSI Global Ltd, Bowburn, Durham DH6 5AD, UK T: +44 (0) 191 3774742 F: +44 (0) 191 3770769 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Lecoat Sent: 27 November 2007 14:05 To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript On 27/11/07 (13:17) James said: Hi Rick, I can't comment on the Visual Quickstart book as I haven't read it, but having only just started really looking at Javascript myself, I can vouch for Jeremy Keith's book being very good indeed. I have found it very easy to read (each chapter takes about 20-30 minutes to go through properly) and it has meant I have been able to implement unobtrusive DOM scripting to enhance pages and solve problems I've had hanging around for ages. I would suggest that even if the Visual Quickstart book is good, that it may be worth spending the time with the Keith book too. Hope that helps, James Thanks James, that's really helpful. I think I already know that I'm going to be buying Jeremy Keith's book, truth be told (having been looking at a bunch of reviews of it on Amazon etc since I posted to the list). Still, if anyone has an opinion on the Visual Quickstart book as well, I'd be interested to hear it, just so I know whether it's worth glancing at *at all*. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
How do you feel it compared with Heilmann's book Javascript development with dom scripting and ajax Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Peter Goddard wrote: I would endorse any recommendations for Jeremy Keith's book. Superb stuff! I would say it's a great place to start. You need to understand all the issues he raises such as degradation (in the event of the client having JS switched off in the browser etc. JK just has such a good way of explaining a good DOM scripting approach. Sorry, I don't know the book you have. HTH Peter Goddard Developer/Programmer PSI Global Ltd, Bowburn, Durham DH6 5AD, UK T: +44 (0) 191 3774742 F: +44 (0) 191 3770769 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Lecoat Sent: 27 November 2007 14:05 To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript On 27/11/07 (13:17) James said: Hi Rick, I can't comment on the Visual Quickstart book as I haven't read it, but having only just started really looking at Javascript myself, I can vouch for Jeremy Keith's book being very good indeed. I have found it very easy to read (each chapter takes about 20-30 minutes to go through properly) and it has meant I have been able to implement unobtrusive DOM scripting to enhance pages and solve problems I've had hanging around for ages. I would suggest that even if the Visual Quickstart book is good, that it may be worth spending the time with the Keith book too. Hope that helps, James Thanks James, that's really helpful. I think I already know that I'm going to be buying Jeremy Keith's book, truth be told (having been looking at a bunch of reviews of it on Amazon etc since I posted to the list). Still, if anyone has an opinion on the Visual Quickstart book as well, I'd be interested to hear it, just so I know whether it's worth glancing at *at all*. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Validation questions
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:05 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote: I have an error where it says document type does not allow element OL here The ol tag is within a formfieldset I don't understand, is this not allowed? Pass. I have an error where it says end tag for element P which is not open. The p tag is actually within javascript, within the headscript I don't see how I can fix this error. Are you using the hide from Netscape 1 practice of enclosing embedded JS within HTML comments? If so, you may have a decrement operator -- that ends the comment, causing some agents to begin parsing your JS as HTML. Without seeing your code, though, this is just a guess. There are several other possibilities. We need more information. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Validation questions
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:05 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote: I have an error where it says document type does not allow element OL here The ol tag is within a formfieldset I don't understand, is this not allowed? Pass. I have an error where it says end tag for element P which is not open. The p tag is actually within javascript, within the headscript I don't see how I can fix this error. Are you using the hide from Netscape 1 practice of enclosing embedded JS within HTML comments? If so, you may have a decrement operator -- that ends the comment, causing some agents to begin parsing your JS as HTML. Without seeing your code, though, this is just a guess. There are several other possibilities. We need more information. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Web Standards Presentation
Hello, I am going to be giving a presentation on Web Standards to all relevant professors at my university to help them catch up and get up-to-date in what they are teaching the students. I am putting together various resources for them, including a website (which can be found at http://www.arwebdesign.net/webstandards), a slideshow presentation (or possibly several), and any other resources they might find useful. This will be on ongoing project, with plans for me to do a new presentation at least once a semester and for me to continually update the website with new information, resources, and to send out a newsletter to them answering any questions they have and what not. While this is being designed specifically for my university, it is open to anyone who finds the information helpful. Since this is the Web Standards group, I'd like to ask if some members would be willing to look over the information I have gathered and I am developing and would comment, critique, correct, etc. on everything I have presented. The website is in it's very early stages as I am still working on the actual content of the site before I worry about the website itself. I have uploaded the current plans for navigation and a skeletal outline of the information I plan on presenting to http://www.arwebdesign.net/webstandards/files/outline.pdf (also available in .odt). If you could look over the topics I plan to cover and give any recommendations of any topics or sub-topics you think I missed, I'd be very grateful. This presentation is only an hour long, but all of the information will be available online, so even topics I don't get to cover they can view online. I will be updating the outline continually throughout the next several days, as well as the website, so check them out regularly if you are able to. Once again, thanks for your help, Christian Snodgrass -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Web Standards Presentation
Since this is the Web Standards group, I'd like to ask if some members would be willing to look over the information I have gathered and I am developing and would comment, critique, correct, etc. on everything I have presented. Nice Start - though if I was talking Standards I'd also talk about Semantics -- Susan R. Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Web Standards Presentation
Opera may be working on educational material of our own, through our Developer relations and Dev.opera.com work. I'll take a look, but as a quick first suggestion, it may not be the best idea to use a flash menu in a standards site. I'm not sure if you've put much accessibility work into it, but it is a core part of the site and wont work on a number of devices where Adobe don't make flash available or there are not enough resources for it to run. David On 27 Nov 2007, at 19:18, Christian Snodgrass wrote: Hello, I am going to be giving a presentation on Web Standards to all relevant professors at my university to help them catch up and get up-to-date in what they are teaching the students. I am putting together various resources for them, including a website (which can be found at http://www.arwebdesign.net/webstandards), a slideshow presentation (or possibly several), and any other resources they might find useful. This will be on ongoing project, with plans for me to do a new presentation at least once a semester and for me to continually update the website with new information, resources, and to send out a newsletter to them answering any questions they have and what not. While this is being designed specifically for my university, it is open to anyone who finds the information helpful. Since this is the Web Standards group, I'd like to ask if some members would be willing to look over the information I have gathered and I am developing and would comment, critique, correct, etc. on everything I have presented. The website is in it's very early stages as I am still working on the actual content of the site before I worry about the website itself. I have uploaded the current plans for navigation and a skeletal outline of the information I plan on presenting to http://www.arwebdesign.net/ webstandards/files/outline.pdf (also available in .odt). If you could look over the topics I plan to cover and give any recommendations of any topics or sub-topics you think I missed, I'd be very grateful. This presentation is only an hour long, but all of the information will be available online, so even topics I don't get to cover they can view online. I will be updating the outline continually throughout the next several days, as well as the website, so check them out regularly if you are able to. Once again, thanks for your help, Christian Snodgrass -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** David Storey Chief Web Opener Opera Software Oslo, Norway W: http://my.opera.com/dstorey ✉ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ✆ : +47 24 16 42 26 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Web Standards Presentation
Lol, yes, I know. I forgot to mention that, thanks to there not being enough time on this planet, this website is doubling as a final project in two of my classes. That menu, as well as the links for games and animations are part of that. Once that is over with, they'll likely be removed. At the moment there isn't much accessibility built-in, but I plan on making it as accessible as possible once I'm ready to finalize that menu. I'm also going to make sure and have an alternate, non-Flash, static menu for those that can't use Flash, which I do regardless. But, I agree that using a Flash menu on the site doesn't really fit, but at the same time, I'd like to discuss using accessible Flash, which doesn't seem to be mentioned very often in standards texts. In fact, I didn't even realize this, but Flash has some support for screen-readers and various things, along with the fact that you can take out the screen-reader and make it fully accessible in it's own regards. David Storey wrote: Opera may be working on educational material of our own, through our Developer relations and Dev.opera.com work. I'll take a look, but as a quick first suggestion, it may not be the best idea to use a flash menu in a standards site. I'm not sure if you've put much accessibility work into it, but it is a core part of the site and wont work on a number of devices where Adobe don't make flash available or there are not enough resources for it to run. David On 27 Nov 2007, at 19:18, Christian Snodgrass wrote: Hello, I am going to be giving a presentation on Web Standards to all relevant professors at my university to help them catch up and get up-to-date in what they are teaching the students. I am putting together various resources for them, including a website (which can be found at http://www.arwebdesign.net/webstandards), a slideshow presentation (or possibly several), and any other resources they might find useful. This will be on ongoing project, with plans for me to do a new presentation at least once a semester and for me to continually update the website with new information, resources, and to send out a newsletter to them answering any questions they have and what not. While this is being designed specifically for my university, it is open to anyone who finds the information helpful. Since this is the Web Standards group, I'd like to ask if some members would be willing to look over the information I have gathered and I am developing and would comment, critique, correct, etc. on everything I have presented. The website is in it's very early stages as I am still working on the actual content of the site before I worry about the website itself. I have uploaded the current plans for navigation and a skeletal outline of the information I plan on presenting to http://www.arwebdesign.net/webstandards/files/outline.pdf (also available in .odt). If you could look over the topics I plan to cover and give any recommendations of any topics or sub-topics you think I missed, I'd be very grateful. This presentation is only an hour long, but all of the information will be available online, so even topics I don't get to cover they can view online. I will be updating the outline continually throughout the next several days, as well as the website, so check them out regularly if you are able to. Once again, thanks for your help, Christian Snodgrass -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** David Storey Chief Web Opener Opera Software Oslo, Norway W: http://my.opera.com/dstorey ✉ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ✆ : +47 24 16 42 26 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Web Standards Presentation
I will also be talking Semantics. If you took a look at my outline, the HTML, Div vs. Tables, Deprecated Elements and Attributes, and WYSIWYG editor sections will be largely semantic discussion. Susan Grossman wrote: Since this is the Web Standards group, I'd like to ask if some members would be willing to look over the information I have gathered and I am developing and would comment, critique, correct, etc. on everything I have presented. Nice Start - though if I was talking Standards I'd also talk about Semantics -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
On Nov 28, 2007 12:14 AM, Martin Heiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at 13:50 Web Standards Group wrote: On 15/11/07 (11:15) Ross said: document.write inline event handlers (like onclick) browser sniffing In summary, then, does anyone recommend me hanging onto Visual Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.) or should I just ditch it and buy Jeremy Keith's Dom Scripting book instead? If you are just starting, you should read a book for beginners that introduces you to to language and it's structure. Learn about objects, functions, datatypes, control structures ... If you find one of the keywords, that Russ listed before, your alarm bells should ring. Keep on reading, but start thinking why this is bad. (You can always return to the list and ask...) Once you feel familiar with the language, switch to Jeremy's book. It's very well written, but you should have an idea how JS works. You will find the answers to your questions in this book. When you know about JS and DomScripting it's time to jump on the AJAX-train, but not before you know the basics. Good luck! Martin I'm sorry if this comes across as inflammatory (if this post pisses you off just feel free to ignore it. I have bad luck with the tone of my emails sometimes). But... is this really how anyone here came to learn javascript? Really? Or is it just how you wish you learned it? Personally, I have a very difficult time retaining knowledge unless it proves immediately useful- and knowing only a few javascript control structures doesn't strike me as something that you can put to use right away. Most of the people I know who know javascript- came to know it by jumping right in and trying to get some specific thing done. Either they had a project that called for it, and they found some dodgy tutorial, and got it out the door, or they had to pick through someone else's javascript. It's only in the context of this initial taste of javascript that these reccomendations for or against certain techniques make any sense. Otherwise you may as well be talking about the finer points of martian politics. As for this Visual Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.) in all probability, given my general previous experience with visual quickstart guides, it's probably awful, and innaccurate, and written by someone who is only barely competant. However, I think you should read it anyway, especially if it gets you to the point of getting something (anything) *actually working* very fast. You can worry about best practice after you get the hang of getting things working. I say this because I have no belief in the concept that knowledge can corrupt, and that somehow innaccurate information will poison your mind. This only happens if you're a gullible idiot, and I tend towards giving people more credit than assuming that they are a gullible idiot. Of course if you don't feel like reading it, then don't. You have the reccomendations here for the books that have good information (Unless nobody has yet reccomended David Flanagan's Javascript: The Definative Guide). When you're ready for good information, that is, you have a specific problem that calls for a correct solution, then go for those books. Otherwise, read whatever gets you into action, and actually working in the language the quickest. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Changes to websites [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
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Re: [WSG] Changes to websites
Hi Deborah, I can't see how the changes will make an impact as yet but this resource is useful (if you aren't aware of it already). http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/ Adeline's Email Signature Best regards, Adeline Yaw Centre for Physical Activity Health Level 2, Medical Foundation Building, K25 University of Sydney NSW 2006 www.cpah.health.usyd.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am looking for feedback on how other departments are handling the change of government, in regards to departmental websites? Thanks Deborah Deborah Hicks Online Communications Department of Health and Ageing 6289 7991 "Important: This transmission is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error please notify the author immediately and delete all copies of this transmission." *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
From: Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course if you don't feel like reading it, then don't. You have the reccomendations here for the books that have good information (Unless nobody has yet reccomended David Flanagan's Javascript: The Definative Guide). When you're ready for good information, that is, you have a specific problem that calls for a correct solution, then go for those books. Otherwise, read whatever gets you into action, and actually working in the language the quickest. I recommend Flanagan's book highly. I also caution the original questioner to be wary of buzzwords like Dom Scripting and Web 2.0. And to a previous poster, there are times when even the most accomplished scripter might need to use document.write or an inline handler. Be wary of absolutes and, when convenient, check the actual work of some of these authors and you might be surprised - or not :-) -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets Authors: 42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
From: Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course if you don't feel like reading it, then don't. You have the reccomendations here for the books that have good information (Unless nobody has yet reccomended David Flanagan's Javascript: The Definative Guide). When you're ready for good information, that is, you have a specific problem that calls for a correct solution, then go for those books. Otherwise, read whatever gets you into action, and actually working in the language the quickest. I recommend Flanagan's book highly. I also caution the original questioner to be wary of buzzwords like Dom Scripting and Web 2.0. And to a previous poster, there are times when even the most accomplished scripter might need to use document.write or an inline handler. Be wary of absolutes and, when convenient, check the actual work of some of these authors and you might be surprised - or not :-) For some javascript video entertainment: Douglas Crockford (Yahoo! javascript blokie) has some videos on his site... Video: JavaScript Video: The Theory of the Dom Video: Advanced JavaScript Video: Browser Wars Video: Quality Video: JavaScript: The Good Parts Video: The State of Ajax http://javascript.crockford.com/ ...in the first one (IIRC) he recommends that O'Reilly book as the only one worth considering. However I'm not sure how old that video is compared to some of the books mentioned in this thread. Nick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Changes to websites
Hi Adeline (and Deborah), I can see the following likely impacts: * The mechanics of changing portfolios will mean that there is content to be merged/split/repurposed, sites to be re-architected, and a lot of graphic design work. This applies to both intranet and internet. * Regardless of portfolio slicing and dicing, individual organisations will probably change their external web presence under direction from the incoming management. * A lot of web managers will be wondering (possibly this time tomorrow if a new cabinet is announced) how to implement the immediate changes now and the bigger changes later in a sensibly phased approach that fits within Ministerial directive, the regulatory framework for Government sites, and their available budget. I remember 1996 - there were fewer Government sites then, and it still created a lot of work for a lot of people. I know that there have been some forward-thinking souls considering the implications of this for the best part of 12 months now. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Best regards, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.comhttps://magellan.smsmt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.smsmt.com/ SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology P Please consider the environment before printing this email From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adeline Yaw Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 10:01 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Changes to websites Hi Deborah, I can't see how the changes will make an impact as yet but this resource is useful (if you aren't aware of it already). http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/ Best regards, Adeline Yaw Centre for Physical Activity Health Level 2, Medical Foundation Building, K25 University of Sydney NSW 2006 www.cpah.health.usyd.edu.auhttp://www.cpah.health.usyd.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am looking for feedback on how other departments are handling the change of government, in regards to departmental websites? Thanks Deborah Deborah Hicks Online Communications Department of Health and Ageing 6289 7991 Important: This transmission is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error please notify the author immediately and delete all copies of this transmission. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
Word to Dave. This book is awesome. I've slowly been trying to increase my knowledge of programming, rather than scripting, and I don't think you could do better than Simply Javascript. All the best! -- Penny Haslop pennyhaslop.com On Nov 14, 2007 8:31 AM, Dave Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in a similar position and recently bought the Simply JavaScript book from SitePoint... it's easy to understand and all the books I've seen of theirs in the past have been up to date and use the latest standards so I presume I'm learning the correct way as apposed to following out of date and bad practice tutorials online. http://www.sitepoint.com/books/javascript1/?SID=8a6e5ef267535b16d9b4f5c5b54a008d Hope that helps. Dave - - - - - - - - - - http://www.dave-woods.co.uk -- Penny Haslop pennyhaslop.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] java script with firefox
marvin hunkin wrote: but she noticed, that the links, would not work or show up in firefox. and using text links with a mouseover rollover. got any tips, or tricks, and how to fix this one? Marvin, You're not giving much to work with. Could you post either a link to the offending page or some of its code? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
