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Sorry, I'd have just vaguely realized screen reader does not read
display none. Still, it creates markup noise and defeat the purpose of
using legend
Great observation. :)
I know this is a Web Standards Group, so I probably should have kept my
(e-mail) mouth shut. :D
Me personal
What Dave?
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Dave Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 10:18 +, David Dorward wrote:
> > Brett Patterson wrote:
> > > Where could I find a good information site about the
> > > document.images.imageId script line, please?
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> http://www.
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tee wrote:
That being said, it's highly unlikely for a Screen Reader user to
realize when a form begins and when a form ends when the screen reader
read out the first label set.
JAWS has separate modes, one specifically for forms. Other screenreaders
have similar features.
that it makes n
On Nov 27, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
tee wrote:
Quote BIM: I don’t see that the W3c intention and the JAWS screen
reader implementation are necessarily at odds; JAWS has a “duty” to
keep users informed that they are in the same group, and this is
one way of achieving it.
tee wrote:
Quote BIM: I don’t see that the W3c intention and the JAWS screen reader
implementation are necessarily at odds; JAWS has a “duty” to keep users
informed that they are in the same group, and this is one way of
achieving it.
Has a "duty" as being overly helpful that turns to absur
Hi Steven, thanks for the two links.
I am replying in a new thread because, after reading the "Too much
accessibility - FIELDSET LEGENDS", I feel that it deserves to open a
new thread for a new, hopefully more thorough discussion on Fieldset
and Legend, and maybe to have a closer exmination
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Just to add to this, you can monitor Senator Conroy via email updates and
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Hey Paul,
1. almost all browsers left-indent the legend element to some degree. They
use different amounts, with IE being slightly different to most other
browsers.
2. This may have been mentioned in the thread before but FireFox will not
allow the legend element to be positioned at all. However,
Hi all,
Just to elaborate on this one, has anyone ever found a way to remove the left
indent on the legend element in IE? I don't care if I have to add a SPAN inside
the LEGEND element, I just want to make sure the text will be left aligned
correctly in all browsers.
Please send a link if you
I agree with Dave--a letter to Senator Conroy is the best approach.
The website previously mentioned (http://nocleanfeed.com/) is also a
good place to start if you want to take action.
I'm extremely concerned about this plan (and have been since I heard
about it a months ago) because at first it s
I wouldn't have sent this to the group if I'd had even the slightest
idea it was spam. Getup.org.au is a genuinely good site.
IceKat.
Brett Patterson wrote:
1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit!
2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!!
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On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 10:18 +, David Dorward wrote:
> Brett Patterson wrote:
> > Where could I find a good information site about the
> > document.images.imageId script line, please?
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-DOM-Level-1-19981001/level-one-html.html#ID-26809268
>
> > And if you are tr
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 21:19 +1100, nedlud wrote:
> Okay, so I *should* be concerned about this, in spite of what my
> common sense tells me.
>
> So what can we, as web professionals (in Australia), do about it?
>
> I've signed the getup petition. What's the next step?
You could _write_ a letter
Andrew,
I feel that you have hit one of the Big Problems, and perhaps many feel
overwhelmed at its breadth (as do I - I've been pondering it for a few days).
Others may have differing views and experiences, but a lack of governance and
adherence to standards may be a symptom of corporate
Use window.getComputedStyle for standard-compliant browsers and
element.currentStyle for IE.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/window.getComputedStyle
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms535231(VS.85).aspx
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:06, Dennis Suitters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Dunno,
Okay, so I *should* be concerned about this, in spite of what my
common sense tells me.
So what can we, as web professionals (in Australia), do about it?
I've signed the getup petition. What's the next step?
Nedlud.
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 9:05 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I am hoping th
Brett Patterson wrote:
> Where could I find a good information site about the
> document.images.imageId script line, please?
http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-DOM-Level-1-19981001/level-one-html.html#ID-26809268
> And if you are trying to code using codes such as
> http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthr
> I am hoping that the live testing/trial that will
> be carried out early next year just shows that this
> is technically unfeasible. It is quite stupid to be
> filtering the internet for everyone in Australia,
> when it is much simpler to be done on each individual
> PC through the use of sof
I'm not sure if this will make it to the table, but it is truly worrying.
>> If they went to the extremes outlined though, don't you think that generally
>> the public (not just the
>> web development community) would put up such a stink about it, the
>> government would be forced into
>> taking
hi tee,
this article gives you some idea of how screen readers use fieldsets/legends
http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=3
also worthwhile: Too much accessibility - FIELDSET LEGENDS
(http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/articles/too-much-accessibility/too-much-accessibility-fieldset-legends/)
In your
Dunno, if this has been asked before.
I've been looking wherever I can for a way to get a div's or any
element's background color in a sementic friendly way (ie. works in IE
and FF) using javascript.
so far i've tried the below:
document.getElementById('element').bgColor;
&
document.getEle
On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:37 AM, tee wrote:
On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:27 AM, Micky Hulse wrote:
...
...
E-mail Story to a friend
E-mail Story
It works for me. :)
Cheers,
Micky
Thanks Micky,
But isn't this defeats the whole purpose for using legend? I
wouldn't care to use the legend at all
On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:27 AM, Micky Hulse wrote:
...
...
E-mail Story to a friend
E-mail Story
It works for me. :)
Cheers,
Micky
Thanks Micky,
But isn't this defeats the whole purpose for using legend? I wouldn't
care to use the legend at all if it weren't for the screen reader.
With
Maybe not the best solution, but I tend to set the legend to
display:none (IIRC, one can't position off-screen in some browsers), and
then insert a tad bit of additional HTML which is styled to emulate a
legend... I call this class .pseudoLegend:
(CSS:)
/* Emulate : */
div.pseudoLegend {
On Nov 26, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Ben Lau wrote:
try white-space:normal...?
Thanks a lot. This works.
James, I accidentally deleted your message and empty my trash, so I am
replying to your message in this post–thanks, this must be one of the
best useful tips I have learned in year 2008. I k
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