[WSG] RE: WSG Digest

2011-09-27 Thread Dave Smith
Hi Tee When trying the max/min width approach, was the Meta Viewport Tag used? The Meta Viewport Tag as found in the Viewport section on http://developer.apple.com/library/safari/#documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/SafariHTMLRef/Articles/MetaTags.html meta name=viewport

Re: [WSG] RE: WSG Digest

2011-09-27 Thread David Laakso
On 9/27/11 5:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote: Hi Tee When trying the max/min width approach, was the Meta Viewport Tag used? ::trim:: all the best, Dave @davesmiths Try also, simply: metaname=viewport content=width=device-width ~d -- Desktop. Laptop. Tablet. Mobile!

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Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Frances de Waal
Hi Tee, As far as I know all the stylesheets ánd all the linked resources in them like background-images will be loaded with meadia-queries. So I am afraid that the large background image that you try to avoid for mobiles, will be loaded anyway as long as you try to solve this with

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On 9/27/11 1:42 PM, Frances de Waal wrote: As far as I know all the stylesheets ánd all the linked resources in them like background-images will be loaded with meadia-queries. So I am afraid that the large background image that you try to avoid for mobiles, will be loaded anyway as long as

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Tom Livingston
I believe that Safari may be the browser with the 'loads anyway' problem. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Hassan Schroeder has...@webtuitive.com wrote: On 9/27/11 1:42 PM, Frances de Waal wrote: As far as I know all the stylesheets ánd all the linked resources in them

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On 9/27/11 3:33 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: I believe that Safari may be the browser with the 'loads anyway' problem. Safari is a Webkit-based browser like Chrome, so I expect them to behave pretty identically, but, for the record: just tested Safari 5.1 (OS X) and it also does *not* load all

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Tom Livingston
I believe it's the iOS Safari with the issue, where it would be most troublesome. Not sure how to test this. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Hassan Schroeder has...@webtuitive.com wrote: On 9/27/11 3:33 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: I believe that Safari may be the browser with

Re: [WSG] RE: WSG Digest

2011-09-27 Thread tee
I wonder if there is a way to restrict mobile phone devices from scaling, but allows touchscreen devices (ipad, samsung galaxy etc) do so. Tee On Sep 27, 2011, at 3:31 AM, David Laakso wrote: On 9/27/11 5:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote: Hi Tee When trying the max/min width approach, was the

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread tee
So iOS Safari loads 4 bg images in this case? @media screen and (max-width:480px){ body { background:olive url(bg-bodytop-480.jpg) no-repeat left -50px} } @media screen and (max-width:768px){ body { background:gray url(bg-bodytop-768.jpg) no-repeat left center} } @media screen and

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Tom Livingston
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe so, yes. I was just brow-beaten offlist by someone because of my reply below. YES, I have an iPhone, but what I don't know is how to test - with JUST iOS Safari - whether of not a bg image is downloaded to Safari. I'd be glad to test it for you, if you can tell me

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Tom Livingston
Actually, the way you have this, I think it will work. If you had something in your base styles, or in the first media query that was set to display:none with a bg image, then that may get downloaded anyway. Again, tell me how to check and i'll be glad to test it for you. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread tee
Hi Tom, Thank you. I don't know how to check it either, I have iPad and iPod, so would like to learn how to check too. Used to think browsers load all bg images even with display none declared, and one of the reasons I wanted to try out the min/max width approach this time is because I

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Tom Livingston
I have that as well. I believe with the approach you have - mobile first, ala 320andup (http://stuffandnonsense.co.uk/projects/320andup/) - you don't put anything on the page (or in the style) for mobile unless you really want it there and loading. As opposed to using media queries to go from

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread David Laakso
On 9/27/11 10:29 PM, tee wrote: Hi Tom, Thank you. I don't know how to check it either, I have iPad and iPod, so would like to learn how to check too. tee Not terribly scientific but simply clear the cache on the iPad and the iPhone and view the page. You'll know whether it is loading

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Tom Livingston
David, with nothing but mobile Safari, if I hit a page with multiple queries or an element specced as display:none but has a bg image, how to you *verify* that an unwanted image loads anyway or not? There's no inspector that I'm aware of like desktop version. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27,

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread David Laakso
On 9/27/11 11:44 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: David, with nothing but mobile Safari, if I hit a page with multiple queries or an element specced as display:none but has a bg image, how to you *verify* that an unwanted image loads anyway or not? There's no inspector that I'm aware of like desktop

Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On 9/27/11 8:44 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: David, with nothing but mobile Safari, if I hit a page with multiple queries or an element specced as display:none but has a bg image, how to you *verify* that an unwanted image loads anyway or not? As I said in my original email: set up a test page