Re: [WSG] CENTERING SITE & WRAPPER PROBLEMS.
put margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; in your global wrapping div or on the table class your using alternatively you could set your body tag to a width of 760px and do the same > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > Hi all... > I have a couple of problems here that i dont seem to be able to nut out, any help would be greatly appreciated if there is anyone around on the day before the easter break. > > Firstly the site centers just fine in ie but is aligned left in firefox...why is this so? > > Secondly and more confusing, I have the site contained in a wrapper but in firefox the wrapper doesnt wrap, it doesnt seem to contain any of the elements that I have put in there. (if you look in firefox the wrapper is the little white bit at the top that is supposed to fill the whole site) Looks fine in ie again. > > If i display it as table-cell; it seems to work but thats not widely supported is it? > > > > site: http://www.mockorange.com.au/mocksites/test/jugernaut/index.html > css: http://www.mockorange.com.au/mocksites/test/jugernaut/css/juganaut.css > > > Jackie Reid > Mock Orange Web Site Development > 1st Floor > 92 Victoria Street > MACKAY Q 4740 > Ph: 07 4953 4035 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Benjamin Life through a polaroid www.lifethroughapolaroid.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Footer on the very bottom of the viewing port
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/footers/ that should have what you need > I want to have a footer stuck to the bottom of the browser window, but if > the window reduces in size, the footer goes over the top of other page > content. What I'd like to do is have the footer stick to the bottom > of the browser, except if it collides with other page content, which > will push it down below the bottom of the viewing port and have a vertical > scroll bar appear.Is this possible with CSS? I know it's done > with tables, because that's how this site is now, but I want to get rid > of these tables.CheersMike KearAFP Webworks, Windsor, > NSW, Australia. > > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > * > > > Benjamin Life through a polaroid www.lifethroughapolaroid.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Footer on the very bottom of the viewing port
Ah, that old chestnut ;-) There was a good article in ALA about this recently: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/footers/ HTH. Cheers, Mike On Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 05:01 PM, Mike Kear wrote: I want to have a footer stuck to the bottom of the browser window, but if the window reduces in size, the footer goes over the top of other page content. What I'd like to do is have the footer stick to the bottom of the browser, except if it collides with other page content, which will push it down below the bottom of the viewing port and have a vertical scroll bar appear. Is this possible with CSS? I know it's done with tables, because that's how this site is now, but I want to get rid of these tables. Cheers Mike Kear AFP Webworks, Windsor, NSW, Australia. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] CENTERING SITE & WRAPPER PROBLEMS.
> Jackie Reid wrote:
> Firstly the site centers just fine in ie but is aligned left in
firefox
> why is this so?
> Secondly and more confusing, I have the site contained in a wrapper
> but in firefox the wrapper doesnt wrap, it doesnt seem to contain any
> of the elements that I have put in there.
> site: http://www.mockorange.com.au/mocksites/test/jugernaut/index.html
> css:
http://www.mockorange.com.au/mocksites/test/jugernaut/css/juganaut.css
It is centering here ok on Firefox and Mozilla
The wrapper needs to be cleared to accommodate floats, IE does this, but
it is wrong.
Create a clearing class, font-size and line-height are added so it will
not take up any space
.clear {
clear:both;
font-size:0;
line-height:0;
}
Add it to a html element such as
or
Put this in just before the wrapper ends
Hope this helps
Jason Turnbull
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RE: [WSG] Problem and can't validate
> Cheers, I will look into that, is there one for Mozilla that anyone > knows of? Yep, there's one for Mozilla - http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ Cheers, K. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] bar graph with html 4.01 strict + css
Adam The first problem I'm trying to tackle so far is that the second part to the graph doesn't reflect the width it's supposed to. Use a containment box so that your graph will be a percentage of the 100% width of the containment box. The second problem is that it probably won't scale too well when one tries to increase text sizes. Using percentages on a fixed container should not involve size as long as you leave enough space for text growth in your layout design. The third and final problem is that several themes I'm planning on using it with may want to have different width so it needs to be fairly fluidic. I tried using percentages with this but I got no > where. The solution is the same as the second problem Hope this helps Leo * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Problem and can't validate
Cheers, I will look into that, is there one for Mozilla that anyone knows of? Even if I use it, I am sure it won't validate, I am stuck with using some elements that do not validate, no way around it. -Original Message- From: Manuel González Noriega [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 7 April 2004 6:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Problem and can't validate El mié, 07-04-2004 a las 05:16, Taco Fleur escribió: > Sorry I can't validate my content, due to it being on the intranet and it's a CMS > that most likely will not validate anyway. > FYI, the Web Developer extension for Firebird/Firefox has a handy 'Validate local HTML' option that will help you with localhost pages and the like. http://chrispederick.myacen.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ -- Manuel González Noriega Simplelógica, construcción web URL: http://simplelogica.net EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TELEFONO: (+34) 985 22 12 65 Logicola es el weblog de Simplelógica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/ That's right. We said Frontpage. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] CENTERING SITE & WRAPPER PROBLEMS.
Hi all... I have a couple of problems here that i dont seem to be able to nut out, any help would be greatly appreciated if there is anyone around on the day before the easter break. Firstly the site centers just fine in ie but is aligned left in firefox...why is this so? Secondly and more confusing, I have the site contained in a wrapper but in firefox the wrapper doesnt wrap, it doesnt seem to contain any of the elements that I have put in there. (if you look in firefox the wrapper is the little white bit at the top that is supposed to fill the whole site) Looks fine in ie again. If i display it as table-cell; it seems to work but thats not widely supported is it? site: http://www.mockorange.com.au/mocksites/test/jugernaut/index.html css: http://www.mockorange.com.au/mocksites/test/jugernaut/css/juganaut.css Jackie ReidMock Orange Web Site Development1st Floor92 Victoria StreetMACKAY Q 4740Ph: 07 4953 4035 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[WSG] Footer on the very bottom of the viewing port
I want to have a footer stuck to the bottom of the browser window, but if the window reduces in size, the footer goes over the top of other page content. What I'd like to do is have the footer stick to the bottom of the browser, except if it collides with other page content, which will push it down below the bottom of the viewing port and have a vertical scroll bar appear.Is this possible with CSS? I know it's done with tables, because that's how this site is now, but I want to get rid of these tables.CheersMike KearAFP Webworks, Windsor, NSW, Australia. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: IE with Gecko Was: Relative Fonts
Pffft. A bunch of web standards geeks like us (no matter how large, it's still just a tiny fraction of the entire web community) will have no impact whatsoever on MS's plans in regards to IE. Justin... If everyone thought that way there would never be progress. Luckily Apple inc didn't with their 5% market share and change the whole computer market with technologies such as firewire, USB (by totally adopting it), and many others. The new "browser" in the next generation MS OS will be fully integrated. I can't imagine MS spending any time on improving IE when they (and us) know it's headed for the scrap heap. Well I hope for their sake they get the standards right because if they don't, they'll loose market share. People do their like choices. Leo * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] IE6 rendering error. anyone knows the cause?
On Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 08:15 AM, Letsky-Anderson, Christine wrote: The site does not display correctly on Mac IE 6 at all. Not surprising since there is no Mac IE 6 in existence. Leo * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] bar graph with html 4.01 strict + css
Heres a variation on your setup. http://www.eatons.net/test/bargraphs.html -chuck === On Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 10:36 AM, Adam Carmichael wrote: Hello list, I'm trying to construct a simple bar graph using minimal markup yet let it remain fairly flexible in CSS. [0] Here is a link to what I have built so far. The first problem I'm trying to tackle so far is that the second part to the graph doesn't reflect the width it's supposed to. The second problem is that it probably won't scale too well when one tries to increase text sizes. The third and final problem is that several themes I'm planning on using it with may want to have different width so it needs to be fairly fluidic. I tried using percentages with this but I got no > where. If anyone has any further best practise pieces of advice, I'm open to that too. :) This one has me feeling like one o'clock half struck. [0] http://carneeki.net/tmp/bargraph/version/0/list.htm Thanks in advance, Adam -- /-- \ |Adam Carmichael, A+, 2xMCP (Windows 2000), Cert IV Helpdesk Admin | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] /( _,-,_ )\ _| |_ /,|| | |#1 Computer Services \`/ \'/ _| |_|| | |BSD/UNIX & Cisco Network Engineer\ /,\ /,\ /| |_||_ | \-- / * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] bar graph with html 4.01 strict + css
Adam I've done this for our users - both a stacked horizontal bar graph and stacked vertical bar graph. It works across *all* useful browsers (including IE5+) funnily enough and is very simple to do. To see it and the markup you'll have to join up with SpamTrap as it's not in a public area. It's fully themable and much better than using stretched images. If anyone on the list is interested in this put up your hands and I'll chuck up the markup and style somewhere. Cheers James Adam Carmichael wrote: Adam Carmichael wrote: The third and final problem is that several themes I'm planning on using it with may want to have different width so it needs to be fairly fluidic. I tried using percentages with this but I got no where. I woke up and got somewhere on the [1] percentage based layout over [0] the original layout. Now the important stuff to tackle. [0] http://carneeki.net/tmp/bargraph/version/0/list.htm [1] http://carneeki.net/tmp/bargraph/version/1/list.htm * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] bar graph with html 4.01 strict + css
Adam Carmichael wrote: Adam Carmichael wrote: The third and final problem is that several themes I'm planning on using it with may want to have different width so it needs to be fairly fluidic. I tried using percentages with this but I got no where. I woke up and got somewhere on the [1] percentage based layout over [0] the original layout. Now the important stuff to tackle. [0] http://carneeki.net/tmp/bargraph/version/0/list.htm [1] http://carneeki.net/tmp/bargraph/version/1/list.htm Version [2] fixes it just the way I want (under firefox) and it's close enough under IE. :) Sorry for spamming the list like this. [2] http://carneeki.net/tmp/bargraph/version/2/list.htm -- /--\ |Adam Carmichael, A+, 2xMCP (Windows 2000), Cert IV Helpdesk Admin | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] /( _,-,_ )\ _| |_ /,|| | |#1 Computer Services \`/ \'/ _| |_|| | |BSD/UNIX & Cisco Network Engineer\ /,\ /,\ /| |_||_ | \--/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] bar graph with html 4.01 strict + css
Adam Carmichael wrote: The third and final problem is that several themes I'm planning on using it with may want to have different width so it needs to be fairly fluidic. I tried using percentages with this but I got no where. I woke up and got somewhere on the [1] percentage based layout over [0] the original layout. Now the important stuff to tackle. [0] http://carneeki.net/tmp/bargraph/version/0/list.htm [1] http://carneeki.net/tmp/bargraph/version/1/list.htm -- /--\ |Adam Carmichael, A+, 2xMCP (Windows 2000), Cert IV Helpdesk Admin | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] /( _,-,_ )\ _| |_ /,|| | |#1 Computer Services \`/ \'/ _| |_|| | |BSD/UNIX & Cisco Network Engineer\ /,\ /,\ /| |_||_ | \--/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] feedback and question
Hi Felix, Thanks for looking at the page. I am just starting to play with percentages (I used to use pixels)-as at least you can mess with them more as a viewer (if you know what to do). It is hard to get a size that everyone likes :) Cheers Lisa At 01:48 PM 4/7/2004 -0400, you wrote: The Snider's Web wrote: > -I just did a site redesign and wanted to get feedback. This site was tough > as it had to be fully bilingual on each page and the fourth biggest group > of users use Netscape 3!!! How did I get so lucky? > http://www.c-l-c.ca/mainpage.html It's nice to see a page that does so well in N3. I prefer N3 on this page, since it doesn't force me to hassle with the zoom menu to find a % that gets me 100% of my preference for main content. -- "Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others..." 1 Peter 4:10 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] WAI3 in a strict DOCTYPE
> I've run into a wall. I wasn't trying for WAI Level 3, but I've usually > been pretty close to achieving it. Bobby always yells at me to specify > the language of the document using the attribute lang="en" in the HTML > header. W3C tells me though that lang="en" isn't a valid attribute. Do > you have to pick between using transitional and getting WAI3 and using > strict and at best getting WAI2, or is there a solution for this problem? > Try xml:lang lang isn't valid in XHTML 1.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/changes.html Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] feedback and question
The Snider's Web wrote: > -I just did a site redesign and wanted to get feedback. This site was tough > as it had to be fully bilingual on each page and the fourth biggest group > of users use Netscape 3!!! How did I get so lucky? > http://www.c-l-c.ca/mainpage.html It's nice to see a page that does so well in N3. I prefer N3 on this page, since it doesn't force me to hassle with the zoom menu to find a % that gets me 100% of my preference for main content. -- "Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others..." 1 Peter 4:10 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] WAI3 in a strict DOCTYPE
I've run into a wall. I wasn't trying for WAI Level 3, but I've usually been pretty close to achieving it. Bobby always yells at me to specify the language of the document using the attribute lang="en" in the HTML header. W3C tells me though that lang="en" isn't a valid attribute. Do you have to pick between using transitional and getting WAI3 and using strict and at best getting WAI2, or is there a solution for this problem? -- Ryan Christie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.theward.net * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] feedback and question
Hi Everyone, I have been lurking on the list for a while and have really enjoyed it, this group seems very helpful and friendly. I found this list through the css-f one. I am starting to get my act together in terms of html standards, css and accessibility-lots to learn! I thought I would dive in to ask about a site I am working on right now... -I just did a site redesign and wanted to get feedback. This site was tough as it had to be fully bilingual on each page and the fourth biggest group of users use Netscape 3!!! How did I get so lucky? http://www.c-l-c.ca/mainpage.html Does the navigation work okay on the left side nav? Do you see any bugs? Do you see anything problematic with the css? Any suggestions, comments? -In N6 on Win ME the left side nav is only white text on blue with no formatting. When I go to mouseover the links, all I get is a white bar over the link area-so you can't see it. Anyone have any idea why? I found it weird, as I used similar code on another site and it worked over in N6. Any help/feedback would be much appreciated, Cheers Lisa * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] bar graph with html 4.01 strict + css
Hello list, I'm trying to construct a simple bar graph using minimal markup yet let it remain fairly flexible in CSS. [0] Here is a link to what I have built so far. The first problem I'm trying to tackle so far is that the second part to the graph doesn't reflect the width it's supposed to. The second problem is that it probably won't scale too well when one tries to increase text sizes. The third and final problem is that several themes I'm planning on using it with may want to have different width so it needs to be fairly fluidic. I tried using percentages with this but I got no where. If anyone has any further best practise pieces of advice, I'm open to that too. :) This one has me feeling like one o'clock half struck. [0] http://carneeki.net/tmp/bargraph/version/0/list.htm Thanks in advance, Adam -- /--\ |Adam Carmichael, A+, 2xMCP (Windows 2000), Cert IV Helpdesk Admin | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] /( _,-,_ )\ _| |_ /,|| | |#1 Computer Services \`/ \'/ _| |_|| | |BSD/UNIX & Cisco Network Engineer\ /,\ /,\ /| |_||_ | \--/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: IE with Gecko Was: Relative Fonts
On 07/04/2004, at 5:50 PM, Leo J. O'Campo wrote: Maybe we as a standard based community should knock on $MS's door and shout "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going take it anymore." Pffft. A bunch of web standards geeks like us (no matter how large, it's still just a tiny fraction of the entire web community) will have no impact whatsoever on MS's plans in regards to IE. For starters, MS will only pay attention to something which will increase or protect it's market share... with their market share up over 90% somewhere, they don't really need to do either. It would take a substantial shift of users away from IE (we're talking *millions*) before MS could even *begin* to care. Secondly, it's widely known and reported that IE is a dead weight. The new "browser" in the next generation MS OS will be fully integrated. I can't imagine MS spending any time on improving IE when they (and us) know it's headed for the scrap heap. The best to expect (IMHO) is security fixes. --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] IE6 rendering error. anyone knows the cause?
The site does not display correctly on Mac IE 6 at all. All you see is the bottom half of the page. Christine Letsky-Anderson Director, Madison Medialab College of Integrated Science and Technology HHS 1003A - MSC 4306 540-568-2763 - phone 540-568-2349 -fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] IE6 rendering error. anyone knows the cause? I whipped up a portal page for the new Psychology site this morning [site is launched in a complete version now @ http://www.psyc.jmu.edu/undergraduate). There is one error that I can't shake off in IE6 for the portal page ~ there is a 10pixel-ish white bar above the footer on the outside of the box. I don't know what's putting it there, but it lines up with a div in the code called "rightcontent". Is it an error on my part or IE's part, and how do I go about getting rid of it? page~ http://www.psyc.jmu.edu/index.html css~ http://www.psyc.jmu.edu/general.css Cheers~ -- Ryan Christie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.theward.net * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] default browser stylesheets
For more info on these three types of style sheets (users, author and browsers) go here: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/advanced_cascade.htm For a sample W3C recommended default style sheet for devices- go here: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/sample.html Russ > Hi all > > In a few threads here it's been mentioned there are three types of > stylesheets: > 1. User > 2. Author > 3. Browser > > If you are interested in the third one then you should delve into the > /res/ directory of Firefox to have a look at how the default rendering > style is set up for that browser (and I assume other Gecko derivatives). > I haven't found the default stylesheet for IE - that would be a good one > to find and override, I'd guess it's locked up in a binary somewhere? > > > Cheers > James * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] default browser stylesheets
Hi all In a few threads here it's been mentioned there are three types of stylesheets: 1. User 2. Author 3. Browser If you are interested in the third one then you should delve into the /res/ directory of Firefox to have a look at how the default rendering style is set up for that browser (and I assume other Gecko derivatives). I haven't found the default stylesheet for IE - that would be a good one to find and override, I'd guess it's locked up in a binary somewhere? Cheers James * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Relative Fonts
Nick Cowie wrote: > Gary Menzel wrote: > > OK - so is there a formula to work out PX to EM ? (at least on a > > "vanilla" type of setup). > In theory, on the standard browser ;-(IE6 on windows) the default font size is 12 > pixels so in that case 1em = 12 pixels. No, the default on windoze is 12pt. Big difference, as at the default 96 DPI, 12pt = 16px = 1.0em. Here's all the IE6 standards mode sizes: http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/absolute-sizes-IE6.html and here's is IE6 quirks mode, as well as IE4Win & IE5Win http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/absolute-sizes-IE5.html. -- "Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others..." 1 Peter 4:10 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Relative Fonts
> The whole point is to be relative in your units so the layout design > can look the same across different resolutions. Yes - I know the reasons behind it. And I spend way too much time thinking about it now and dont see any clear pathways to a sensible outcome. Hence why I am bringing it to a wider group. It is the current implementations of it all that I am critical of. And until my images scale flawlessly as well (because someone with a sight impairment is going to have as much trouble seeing my images as they are my text) it all seems a little bit of a "hack" to me. It makes more sense to produce my design so it works and then encourage the use of the accessibility options in an OS (like magnifier software, screen readers, etc.) than to have a browser botch up the job of scaling my design. Flash isn't CSS and XHTML and it isn't a browser. And you don't have to "think" in relative font sizes when you create a Flash movie. It just sizes itself - because the whole environment is vector based. To achieve that in a HTML type environment we really should all move to SVG or even VML (or some other more palatable version of vector based markup). In any case, relative font sizes are not "vector" based - only the technology to scale the fonts themselves is (assuming the fonts being used are vector based fonts - e.g. True Type, etc.). I have been running around on a number of sites - sizing them up and down - and am disappointed by what I see. Can anyone point me to some sites that maintain a sensible CSS/XHTML design (with mutiple columns - both fixed and fluid - and images and banners and footers) that scale correctly when sized in a Browser using the browsers scaling and dont go all wonky? I don't want to rip off their designs - I want to absorb their techniques. If I am going to do this thing with scalable, relative fonts, etc. I want to do it properly. At the moment I feel that all the efforts I am expending are really being wasted. I love all the kewl techniques that I see on sites like CSS Zen Garden, Max Design, Man In Blue, etc. But in many cases "function" loses out over "form" (e.g. Zen Garden is wonderful, but the sites I have to build need more function than form, they are full of figures and tables and graphs, and that is where I find the brick wall gets more solid). Gary Menzel Web Development Manager IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4000 PH: 07 333 44 828 FX: 07 3834 0828 To unsubscribe from this email please forward this email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If this communication is not intended for you and you are not an authorised recipient of this email you are prohibited by law from dealing with or relying on the email or any file attachments. This prohibition includes reading, printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, storing or in any other way dealing or acting in reliance on the information. If you have received this email in error, we request you contact ABN AMRO Morgans Limited immediately by returning the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy the original. We will refund any reasonable costs associated with notifying ABN AMRO Morgans. This email is confidential and may contain privileged client information. ABN AMRO Morgans has taken reasonable steps to ensure the accuracy and integrity of all its communications, including electronic communications, but accepts no liability for materials transmitted. Materials may also be transmitted without the knowledge of ABN AMRO Morgans. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited its directors and employees do not accept liability for the results of any actions taken or not on the basis of the information in this report. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited and its associates hold or may hold securities in the companies/trusts mentioned herein. Any recommendation is made on the basis of our research of the investment and may not suit the specific requirements of clients. Assessments of suitability to an individual?s portfolio can only be made after an examination of the particular client?s investments, financial circumstances and requirements. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited (ABN 49 010 669 726 AFSL 235410) A Participant of ASX Group * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Problem and can't validate
El mié, 07-04-2004 a las 05:16, Taco Fleur escribió: > Sorry I can't validate my content, due to it being on the intranet and it's a CMS > that most likely will not validate anyway. > FYI, the Web Developer extension for Firebird/Firefox has a handy 'Validate local HTML' option that will help you with localhost pages and the like. http://chrispederick.myacen.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ -- Manuel González Noriega Simplelógica, construcción web URL: http://simplelogica.net EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TELEFONO: (+34) 985 22 12 65 Logicola es el weblog de Simplelógica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/ That's right. We said Frontpage. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: IE with Gecko Was: Relative Fonts
Maybe we as a standard based community should knock on $MS's door and shout "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going take it anymore." Leo On Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 12:44 AM, Sven Jacobs wrote: I was thinking to put such news (IE 6.1 will use Gecko) on my private site as an aprils fool =) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Relative Fonts (Out of office)
Sorry, I'm away Thurs AM for study. I will read your email when I return. For urgent queries or intranet help please contact Marion on 02 9230 8542 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks, Leon Wild. >>> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 04/07/04 17:38 >>> >> Relative font sizes ruin good design. Vector based graphics and text are the future of good screen design. The whole point is to be relative in your units so the layout design can look the same across different resolutions. If a user needs to increase or decrease the text size then the layout should increase or decrease proportionally. Now that is truly good design. Flash does this now and it can be using standards based CSS too. It's just a lot harder. Think about it. Leo * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Relative Fonts
Relative font sizes ruin good design. Vector based graphics and text are the future of good screen design. The whole point is to be relative in your units so the layout design can look the same across different resolutions. If a user needs to increase or decrease the text size then the layout should increase or decrease proportionally. Now that is truly good design. Flash does this now and it can be using standards based CSS too. It's just a lot harder. Think about it. Leo * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
