Re: [WSG] Thanks Peter and Russ

An experienced designer should ask the right questions. Cheers! Peter On 14/05/2004, at 4:39 PM, Michael Kear wrote: Frankly I don't think I have the skills to brief a designer adequately yet. I suspect that's a skill all on its own. Universal Head  Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore

[WSG] (OT) HTML / CSS Design Job in Sydney - do not reply

We have a position vacant for a front end developer in Sydney Australia. The person would have good (x)html, css, and javascript skills. Flash and actionscript would also be helpful (though not essential) Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] directly for further information and do not reply to this m

Re: [WSG] Tables are bad because...

On 14/05/2004, at 3:46 PM, Aaron DC wrote: ... heya all - just joined the list for interest's sake and am slowly making my way through some of the posted CSS-savvy sites. Somewhere along the way someone decided tables and in particular nested tables are a bad thing (tm) - I am curious as to the

[WSG] Thanks Peter and Russ

Thanks Peter and Russ for letting this digital web magazine redesign thread continue. I know it's only related to standards if you stand back a long way and squint but I'm finding it very useful and I don't belong to any other lists that could give me intelligent ideas on these things. And yes

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

Tina said > May I ask what sort of "design books" you use for inspiration? and > I'd like to find some sources of "original inspiration" but I don't know > where to look for that. Inspiration can come from absolutely anything... A well laid out article in a magazine. A damn fine press/print ad Th

Re: [WSG] APC magazine anti standards article

Thanks Kay and Hugh I am currently trying to pen a reasonable reply to Andy Budd's post this morning http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2004/05/ an_objective_look_at_table_based_vs_css_based_design/ sigh john John, http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/A569C81864DC4F1BCA256E5F001A59C5 (posted

RE: [WSG] Tables are bad because...

Hi Aaron, How about this article, helpfully titled "Why tables for layout is stupid". http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ Also, I highly recommend Jeffrey Zeldman's book "Designing for Web Standards". It's a great read, for zealots and non-zealots alike :) K. -- Kay Smoljak Senior Developer/QC L

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

The best place is to go to a good quality bookstore that stocks a range of design-related titles. I could name some in Sydney but that's not very useful for many people on the list ... I'm also on the visiting list of a distributor who specialises in design books who comes around to the studio occa

RE: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

Tina wrote: > So far, I just scout around > the Internet and look for other sites in the same industry or > of the same > subject matter. I build sites for the government and sticking to sites in the same "industry" or same subject matter, would makes some very uninteresting sites. I tend t

Re: [WSG] APC magazine anti standards article

The World Wide Web Is Not Enough by David Emberton http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/A569C81864DC4F1BCA256E5F001A59C5 John Allsopp wrote: Hi all, anyone got a link to or can send me the text of that recent anti standards article mentioned here at APC? Thanks, John John Allsopp :: westciv ::

Re: [WSG] APC magazine anti standards article

John, http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/A569C81864DC4F1BCA256E5F001A59C5 (posted here on April 16 by Iparuan Martinez) -Hugh Todd anyone got a link to or can send me the text of that recent anti standards article mentioned here at APC? * The

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

I did a similar thing for a site I am about to design. I have been looking at various sites for ideas re color, layout, features, etc. and created a folder for "sites I admire" in my favorites. This help me narrow down the ideas I could use on the new site. At 02:03 AM 5/14/2004, Nick Lo wrote

RE: [WSG] APC magazine anti standards article

> anyone got a link to or can send me the text of that recent > anti standards article mentioned here at APC? I blogged it: http://kay.smoljak.com/archives/?dont-be-a-dinosaur -- Kay Smoljak Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation PerthWeb Pty Ltd - http://www.perthweb.com.au/ Ph: 0

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

Well to bring it tenuously back on topic... Take a look at some of the features on that page then take a trip to alistapart.com with a checklist: Mountaintop Corners Sliding Doors etc... ...and I forget where I've seen that background quotes idea before. What I'm driving at is not that the desi

[WSG] APC magazine anti standards article

Hi all, anyone got a link to or can send me the text of that recent anti standards article mentioned here at APC? Thanks, John John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/d

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

May I ask what sort of "design books" you use for inspiration? I have wondered myself where to get inspiration from. So far, I just scout around the Internet and look for other sites in the same industry or of the same subject matter. However, I tend to think that limits my brain somewhat i.e.

[WSG] Tables are bad because...

... heya all - just joined the list for interest's sake and am slowly making my way through some of the posted CSS-savvy sites. Somewhere along the way someone decided tables and in particular nested tables are a bad thing (tm) - I am curious as to the reasoning/history behind this, and the

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

On 14/05/2004, at 2:41 PM, Michael Kear wrote: So I was hoping I'd find out you 'proper' designers have a trick other than "its all in the talent and creative side of your brain, son!" Maybe the trick is to outsource the design to a 'proper' designer :P I forgot to post this link in my response

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

Michael. We're in danger of getting smacked on the keyboard hands by the List Mum, but I'll quickly say: Design is a discipline, as Peter Gifford has said, that benefits from learning, whether (if you are able to teach yourself to "see") by yourself or, usually much better, in a serious learni

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

"its all in the talent and creative side of your brain, son!" It's easy Mike! See that button on the top right of your keyboard? The one marked "design"? Just press it! ;) Oh OK I'll say something useful. Here's what I do. When coming up with a concept I sit down with a big piece of paper and I

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary? THREAD CLOSED - Open it back up! Please.

Why do the active threads get killed? Some one asks a decent question and gets some very valid input only to get killed off??? Just because something may not be of interest to the particular moderator on duty, I'd like to see a little consideration out there as well - if it is producing some inter

RE: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

Justin French said: <<<...But personally, I'd find very little satisfaction drawing inspiration directly from bookmarks. I'd much rather take every pull-quote I've ever seen, throw them all in a blender, and come up with my OWN solution appropriate to the job at hand I know what you

RE: [WSG] Link on csscreator

Title: Link on csscreator Sure is, thanks. -Original Message-From: Avril Bowie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 14 May 2004 2:12 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WSG] Link on csscreator http://www.csscreator.com/attributes/index.php   Is this what you were

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

On 14/05/2004, at 1:31 PM, Michael Kear wrote: Then for me, when the time comes to do a brand new site, I find all those ideas vanish from my mind and all I can think of is a boring site just like all the others I've done. It can take AGES to think of a concept for a new site. How do you 'des

RE: [WSG] Link on csscreator

Title: Link on csscreator http://www.csscreator.com/attributes/index.php   Is this what you were looking for Taco? -Avril   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur Sent: Friday, 14 May 2004 1:56 PM To: Web Standards Group (

[WSG] Link on csscreator

Title: Link on csscreator I was looking for that page Tony Aslett created with all the CSS tags listed and its description, but I can't find a link to that page on his website, neither can I find his email on his site (otherwise I would have mailed him directly). Cheers Register now for

[WSG] Objective look at tables for layout

Via Mezzoblue: http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/05/13/gasp_tables/index.php * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

RE: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

AH, you're like me Kay - you see something cool then you start looking around for a project to use it on. "Where can I do that? I have to have a site that's ready for re-development again surely!" Then for me, when the time comes to do a brand new site, I find all those ideas vanish from my mi

Re: [WSG] standards compliant .NET modules

Fair question, James. A forum component for ASP.NET will not output HTML (). Rather, it will inject ASP.NET server controls (). The component developers are not forced to do this. They *could* output static and valid XHTML if they wanted. However, by injecting ASP.NET server controls rather than

RE: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

> New redesign for digital web, looks cool. > www.digital-web.com Wow. Nice, not really sure about how the different areas of the page "gel" at higher resolutions... but so many nice "bits". The current section indicators are cute, the what's new title rocks, the tabs are cool. And somewhere, SO

[WSG] digital web magazine redesign

New redesign for digital web, looks cool.   www.digital-web.com     Tim HillComputer AssociatesGraphic Artisttel: +612 9937 0792fax: +612 9937 0546[EMAIL PROTECTED]    

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

The ability to finish what you've started is good. But I think, the ability to give up what you've started if you find it useless is more better! Cheers Peter A. Shevtsov Gabriel Vasquez wrote: Hi Everyone, I apologize if this is off topic but this is one of the few places that I would be able

Re: [WSG] standards compliant .NET modules

Hi Surely a .net developer can write their own function to output compliant markup? seems strange that a language forces someone to use inbuilt modules. Cheers James SomeNewKid wrote: The ASP.NET framework does not produce standards compliant XHTML. Hence, no off-the-shelf forum component for AS

Re: [WSG] standards compliant .NET modules

The ASP.NET framework does not produce standards compliant XHTML. Hence, no off-the-shelf forum component for ASP.NET will produce valid XHTML. You have four main options when aiming for standards compliance in ASP.NET. 1) Visit www.xhtmlwebcontrols.com and purchase their product. It replaces *al

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

> displaying the ability to finish something you started   I hear this comment thrown about a lot as one of the major benefits of getting a degree, frankly I think that's absolute garbage.   If a degree is reward for perserverence, all members of this list should be given honorary degrees to

RE: [WSG] old browser download site?

Kevin, You should look here for a low-down http://www.insert-title.com/web_design/?page=articles/dev/multi_IE then pick 'em up at http://browsers.evolt.org/ Helped me no end. Mike Pepper Accessible Website Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] old browser download site?

On Thu, 13 May 2004 16:40:03 -0500, Kevin McMonagle wrote: > Is there anywhere i can download ie windows pre version 6? http://browsers.evolt.org/ All the browsers you can eat. Or something like that... :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Austral

Re: [WSG] old browser download site?

Hi Kevin, Try: http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php Multi older versions of IE + instructions on how to get them to all play nice on one machine. Brian Kevin McMonagle wrote: Hi all, I need older browsers for testing sites. Is there anywhere i can download ie windows pre version 6? Th

[WSG] old browser download site?

Hi all, I need older browsers for testing sites. Is there anywhere i can download ie windows pre version 6? They are not available at mircrosofts site. thanks -Kevin _ Getting married? Find tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life

RE: [WSG] Spammer in our midst

Don't reply to the graphic on the WHO ARE YOU? mail: it's a mail harvester. Those in the know won't but we may have some new guys here. If we all focus out attention on him, we should be able to shut his heart down :o) Bloody annoys me, this crap on the web. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer

RE: [WSG] Spammer in our midst

Don't reply to the graphic on the WHO ARE YOU? mail: it's a mail harvester. Those in the know won't but we may have some new guys here. If we all focus out attention on him, we should be able to shut his heart down :o) Bloody annoys me, this crap on the web. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer

[WSG] Spammer in our midst

Don't reply to the graphic on the WHO ARE YOU? mail: it's a mail harvester. Those in the know won't but we may have some new guys here. If we all focus out attention on him, we should be able to shut his heart down :o) Bloody annoys me, this crap on the web. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer

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Re: [WSG] Site Review and some guidance on inheritance please

Rev Bob wrote:- > I do have a real comment. I think the color of the W3C icons is > beating hell out of your blues. You either need to get rid of them > (as in ) or do something to give that > orange-yellow a context. Thanks - I'll look into that. > Don't answer h

[WSG] standards compliant .NET modules

Hello WSG, I 've only been on the list for a couple of weeks and I've found the discussion really interesting. Anyway... I am working on a .NET CMS product and we are currently wrestling to make the output standards compliant which is proving to be tricky. Does anybody know of any off the sh

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

I attended earned a Bachelor of Fine Arts with a double emphasis in Graphic Design and Photography. This was between 1995 and 2000, and I had no "formal" training in Web Design. They didn't even offer classes for it at my school, other than some Flash stuff in a Multimedia class (which i never

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary? THREAD CLOSED

Russ already stopped this thread. Please do not continue with it on list. P * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

I do agree with the person that said you should go ahead and finish the course work since you are already half way through it. That said, from my experiences in the job market, what matters more than a degree to potential employers is a good portfolio and experience working on projects. Certainly

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

> From: Ray Cauchi [snip] > There have been positive arguments made for finishing your course > (such as displaying ability to finish something you started), but from > my experience, its more what you do now that matters. Slightly OT, but... I remember years ago when debating this issue with a f

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

Hi there At the end of the day its your decision! I did 2 years B.Architecture, then abandoned the whole thing. 4 years later, I started my own business, which I have now been running for 5 years. Actually, I have dropped out of Uni twice. You don't need a Degree. There have been positive argumen

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

Hi there At the end of the day its your decision! I did 2 years B.Architecture, then abandoned the whole thing. 4 years later, I started my own business, which I have now been running for 5 years. Actually, I have dropped out of Uni twice. You don't need a Degree. There have been positive argumen

Re: [WSG] Application of web standards in real life (new thread)

Neerav I understand the issue surrounding browser usage but this is only part of the picture - an important one, but still only a part. I don't know the number of people using handheld - no one does - I do know it's a growing trend. The point I'm trying to press is the extensibility of your ap

RE: [WSG] Design Philosophy

>My response, below, was really more about shock than anything else. I >couldn't believe that somebody would propose to take the visual design >out of things. If that were the case, I would probably stop building >websites tommorrow. In reality, it would need to be much higher than >7% to get me

[WSG] Re: IE5 v Mozilla

> table width="100%" Thanks - it was originally broken only in IE, hence the title, then I tried to fix it and broke it in both. Now working in both. Alan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] Launched my third xhtml site!!

Mike, While it can be difficult with a small client and budget (and a son who comes up with rinky-dinky graphics), the best strategy for any design/communication work is to discuss and agree on (and formalise) a "brief" for your work... its strategy, objectives, type of person you want to appe

Re: [WSG] Design Philosophy

I'm following behind the curve on this one as it seems people have put this to rest. However, I really do not want to be grouped into a category of people who believe in standards above all else. I am a print designer first and foremost. My response, below, was really more about shock than an

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

- Original Message - From: "Gabriel Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: [WSG] Is a degree necessary? > My question to you is this: Do you think it would be wise for me to finish > the program and get the degree even though I'm

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

Having the degree is one thing, but enjoying what you do is another thing completely.  I don't think you'll find many ppl who are successful at what they do but totally hate doing it...  If you get into an IT job before you finish then you'll have a headstart on everyone else. -Origi

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

a degree might not be essential to start out... but in 5 to ten years when you are trying to get senior positions you will be MUCH better for it Gabriel Vasquez wrote: Hi Everyone, I apologize if this is off topic but this is one of the few places that I would be able to talk to web designers an

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary? - ADMIN

For this thread, answers would be better directed to Gabriel offlist. Russ >> My question to you is this: Do you think it would be wise for me to finish >> the program and get the degree even though I'm not learning what I want to >> be learning, or should I just call it off and focus on web des

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

My short answer: A uni degree is more than just a piece of paper, its a statement that you were determined and dedicated enought to finish what you'd started. I dropped out in 3rd of 4 years and even though it hasn't affected me yet, I worry that I'll be wishing I had finished it when I apply

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

eheheh 'before computers were used in design' sounds really old sorry =)   I think having a degree is alot better than just having a portfolio. I guess its really what you put in, is what you get out. Like you could still do a degree and just do the bare minimum just keeping up, not putting

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

Maybe you should look into design education. It sounds like the course you are doing is very technology based. Of course if you want to code, that's fine. But if you want to communicate visually, and understand how to present information using space, type, colour, relationships etc, then that's a w

Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?

Gabriel, You're over halfway through an 18 month course. Finish it. You may no longer learn anything of any technical benefit for your plans for future, but a qualification is invaluable in life due to the absurd rules by which society judges your worth. I have a few qualifications that I figure