Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-30 Thread J Rodgers
Have you looked at the other assistive technologies available? Yes I work closely with our Office for Persons with Disabilities, even presented at their Assistive Technology Fair last year. This year I will as well and sounds like it will be even bigger than last year. There are some very cool

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-30 Thread Chris Stratford
Im not 100% sure... but here is what I think a browser would download, in what order.. 1st it would download the HTML code... then any Images in the document... then the DTD... then the Stylesheets... then the Stylesheet images... then 3rd party gear - flash, java, other applets and mods... just

RE: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-30 Thread Lee Roberts
Jesse, I'll agree it makes them think about it for about ... 10 seconds. Then they go and start using those automated evaluators and mess it all up. I've used every evaluator there is and none come as close to meeting my experience as I would like. You can pass those automated test very easily

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-30 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
this may sound like a stupid answer but wouldnt it be like an html page of somesort. t94xr http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on

Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-30 Thread J Rodgers
Actually Canada has to accessibility requirements under any law. The Canadian Government has the Common Look and Feel Guidelines and in there they require WAI AA for all Federal Government sites (government workers in Canada correct me please). http://www.cio-dpi.gc.ca/clf-nsi/index_e.asp

Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-30 Thread J Rodgers
That should probably read - 'does not have' - I am fine specimen of the new and improved public education system in Canada ;) I apologize for the bad grammar and typos and place the blame on my 5th grade teacher. Jesse On 6/30/04 9:19 AM, J Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Canada has

RE: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-30 Thread Lee Roberts
Section 508 wouldn't exist if it weren't for WCAG. If you can do Section 508 then step up to the plate and do the remainder. Take the extra step, you'll find it's a lot easier. It simply requires opening our minds to the possibilities. Regardless of what some say, Flash is not accessible and

Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-30 Thread ckimedia
Hi, Lee would recommend a comprehensive accessibility text. I've scoured Amazon to the point of red eye, and have found nothing but how to pass Bobby. This text should include captioning of Quicktime, and other dynamic media considerations. C On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 05:47 AM, Lee

RE: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
Despite some minor flaws, Joe Clark's Building Accessible Websites is still one of the best around. Captioning of quicktime (you mean via SMIL, I assume) is still not widely implemented due to flaky support in certain areas http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2004AprJun/0651.html Of

Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-30 Thread ckimedia
Hi, Thanks I wasn't aware my question had ominous tones. Nonetheless, humble voice I appreciate your suggestion. /humble voice On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 08:04 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: ominous voiceComprehensive Accessibility Text/ominous voice, as the field is constantly evolving and

[WSG] xforms

2004-06-30 Thread Ted Drake
Does anyone know where I can find some information on browser support for xforms and how to style them with css? I know the w3c has some information but my head starts spinning whenever I go to their pages. I found this site, but it doesn't mention support and styling.

Re: [WSG] xforms

2004-06-30 Thread Tonico Strasser
Ted Drake wrote: Does anyone know where I can find some information on browser support for xforms and how to style them with css? I know the w3c has some information but my head starts spinning whenever I go to their pages. I found this site, but it doesn't mention support and styling.

RE: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-30 Thread Lee Roberts
In an effort to not drown the list-serv with constant replies, let me use this single reply. Captioning of SMIL, Magpie or the like will always be a human reviewer test. There's no way an automated evaluator can test image presentation. Search engines can't do it and certainly a less costly

RE: [WSG] xforms

2004-06-30 Thread Barry Beattie
You'll need to choose your favorite XForms implementation huh? are these just IDE's for building XForms? It seems that the next version of ColdFusion will be using XForms as a version of CFFORM / but to tie it back to standards, what versions of older browsers support XForms? thanx

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-30 Thread John Horner
here is what I think a browser would download, in what order.. [snip] The only real problem with that is the phrase a browser. Different browsers will almost certainly do it differently. Your theory certainly makes sense and maybe someone will do the experiment in more detail. I'd love to do

Re: [WSG] xforms

2004-06-30 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Ted Drake wrote: Does anyone know where I can find some information on browser support for xforms and how to style them with css? I know the w3c has some information but my head starts spinning whenever I go to their pages. I found this site, but it doesn't mention support and styling.

RE: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-30 Thread Iza Bartosiewicz
I think Judy Brewer, the Director of WAI hit the nail on the head when she said: In no case can automated Web accessibility evaluation tools determine conformance to all WCAG 1.0 Checkpoints at a given priority level. Therefore, manual evaluation by a knowledgeable expert using a variety of

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-30 Thread Mordechai Peller
John Horner wrote: So, the question is, what does the browser actually do? Three developers, discussing this, came up with different answers. Does it download only the images required for that page, download all images, or does it download the ones needed right away and the others in the

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-30 Thread Chris Blown
As stated, it is very much browser dependant. I use Firefox for daily browsing and I like to load pages in background tabs. I was surprised when I first noticed that switching to a tab Firefox would then fetch CSS images ( unless cached ). If you are really keen on the ordering of http requests

[WSG] First External Test

2004-06-30 Thread Jeff D. Reid
I have validated my CSS and markup and corrected an issue in Mozilla/Netscape that I was having...but in doing so, now the redesign of the site will not work at all past the index page in Opera. I am also interested in anyone who can view the site in prior versions of IE than version 6

[WSG] Ten questions for Richard rutter

2004-06-30 Thread russ - maxdesign
Richard Rutter, of Clagnut fame (http://www.clagnut.com/) talks about liquid layouts, scaling images access keys, ems, and the standards-based rebuild of Multimap. http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/richard-rutter.cfm Russ The Australian Museum. Australia's first - and leading - natural

[WSG] Disapearing list in Firefox 0.9

2004-06-30 Thread CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh
Title: Message Hi, When I hover the mouse over an un-ordered list, the list simply disappears in FireFox 0.9. Does anybody havea remedy ? If this has been discussed before, could you please direct me to the resource. Thanks Bhuvnesh Chaudhry