RE: [WSG] Text will not valign
As you have sizes set for the containers it is easy to centre the text vertically: to #column2-header h2 add line-height: 50px; to #column2-footer h2 add line-height: 30px; my previous comments where about horiziontally aligning the text (late friday afternoon brain fade) Nick This email is from the Department of Consumer and Employment Protection and any information or attachments to it may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please reply mail to the sender informing them of the error and delete all copies from your computer system, including attachments and your reply email. As the information is confidential you must not disclose, copy or use it in any manner. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Criticisms of Internet Explorer
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Re: [WSG] Meta Keywords?
Hi Martin, On 10/7/05, Martin Jopson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could anyone please clarify the situation for Meta Keywords and also Meta Description. If possible also a web resource that states clearly these issues. Others have already given a range of good responses. To add to the discussion I believe that the search engine Sensis uses the meta keywords tag, although I cannot remember where I picked up that idea. While it may not drive as much traffic to your site as Google, the amount of television advertising and content site partnering they have been doing in Australia makes them worth considering (for Australian sites) IMHO. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.zombiecoder.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Meta Keywords?
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:30:16 +0800, Kay Smoljak wrote: Others have already given a range of good responses. To add to the discussion I believe that the search engine Sensis uses the meta keywords tag, although I cannot remember where I picked up that idea. Yep, it seems they do - googling shows results that indicate they do. But the rest of the advice on the pages was fairly poor, so I'm not sure I would put much credence in it. While it may not drive as much traffic to your site as Google, the amount of television advertising and content site partnering they have been doing in Australia makes them worth considering (for Australian sites) IMHO. I get maybe one hit a month across all my sites sourced from Sensis - 1 hit in 1000s of visitors, so I have been unable to see them worth the time to look into :( warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
ADMIN - thread closed Re: [WSG] Meta Keywords?
Well, I just had it pointed out to me (You're an evil man, Bert ;)) that we really haven't managed to bring this one on-topic, so I think the thread should be closed. Lea ~ oops -- WSG Core member On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:52:35 +1000, Lea de Groot wrote: On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:30:16 +0800, Kay Smoljak wrote: Others have already given a range of good responses. To add to the discussion I believe that the search engine Sensis uses the meta keywords tag, although I cannot remember where I picked up that idea. Yep, it seems they do - googling shows results that indicate they do. But the rest of the advice on the pages was fairly poor, so I'm not sure I would put much credence in it. While it may not drive as much traffic to your site as Google, the amount of television advertising and content site partnering they have been doing in Australia makes them worth considering (for Australian sites) IMHO. I get maybe one hit a month across all my sites sourced from Sensis - 1 hit in 1000s of visitors, so I have been unable to see them worth the time to look into :( warmly, Lea ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Testing a template
Hi folks: I'm trying to test out a template and I'm not sure if I'm executing this properly. It's a standard template basically but I've had to do some things that make me wonder if there is a better way. The content rectangle (everything inside of the very light gray shadow effect) is supposed to be able to change colors with just a few css rules (right now it's just while) - I don't know completely how browsers will play with this (although my informal testing says it's ok). This is a test template - no real content here. You will notice that I'm using three separate images to create the top, middle and side shadow effects - I don't see any way around this. Page - http://www.vaska.com/a/ Css - http://www.vaska.com/a/c/style.css Thanks for the help...v Ps: Actually, the shadow is pretty light, so some not so subtle monitors on pcs might not even see it - I'll have to add a little more contrast later I think. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Extreme Tracker and xhtml
Hi everyone, OK, the extreme tracker is now working. Last time I posted, the xhtml valid tracker was working on some pages and not others. What I discovered was that the pages with older trackers wouldn't track with the valid code. I hadn't realized initially that there were different versions of the tracker. Once I realized it, I created new IDs for the older pages to replace the older tracker versions. That did the trick. =-) Cheryl http://www.lymeinfo.net Lyme Info [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I then went to the index page ...But it isn't working...I keep looking at the code and am baffled. Lyme Disease Information: http://www.lymeinfo.net Lyme Disease Information By Email: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lymeinfo/ __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE Bug?
Hi, I've observed an inconsistent problem on my site with Internet Explorer. Basically, in the upper left area of the main (white) section a gray box that varies in size will appear occassionally. The box disappears when scrolling down then up again. Slight variations of this problem appear on any of the pages. Pictures: http://www.lymeinfo.net/glitch.html Any ideas? Thanks, Cheryl http://www.lymeinfo.net __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques
Andrew Krespanis wrote: On 10/8/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense at all. Or is there an important detail I'm missing? ;) Yes, you're missing the part where this was written over 12 months ago That's totally irrelevant. If 2 days ago you knew your article was flawed then why posting a link to it? I have 1 or 2 articles on my site that I'm not proud of (and too lazy to delete or edit), but I would never post their URIs ;) by someone who had only built 3 sites and wanted to try and help other beginners navigate the 'minefield of pain' that is starting out with CSS. I absolutely should write an updated version of my article, I don't deny much of what is discussed is now outdated.That said, I have an archive of nearly 700 emails thanking me for the methods outlined in that article alone, so I have no regrets what so ever about publishing and promoting those techniques (at the time, anyway). In your original post, when you pointed out the issue about the value of the media attribute, I just said: [I have] absolutely no excuse for that one... There is no need to look for an excuse... Sometimes ooops! is good enough. It's really no big deal ;) Let's discuss your article in 12 months and see if you still feel the same ;) I didn't look for your article, it's you who brought it up ;) Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I have yet to see a good browser with solid CSS support, so solid doesn't mean flawless. I am not that naive ;) I don't think we can say completely no to CSS hacks anytime soon. But of course; this depends on how we define hacks, so it's well worth trying. That sentance leaves too many doors opened so I won't go there, but FWIW, I don't agree with you ;) I find the extensive use of @import from within documents a bit code-heavy and limiting. Would like to see variations that'll lead to the same, more or less, hack-free results. I prefer to do as much @import branching as I can from within the stylesheets, and use link elements in the document-head. One set of If you do this as a means to serve different rules to different browsers then you end up using CSS filters inside the style sheets. Also, IMHO, importing sheets through styles sheets doesn't help maintainability since rules in the sheet override rules in the imported styles sheets. It's one more layer to the cascade, redundant rules, etc... I believe this technique is good to split a sheet into different sections though (layout, etc.). @import in CSS is easier to maintain than having them spread across several hundred pages. ? Don't you use Includes? Regards Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: That sentance leaves too many doors opened so I won't go there, but FWIW, I don't agree with you ;) Should there be a 'dis' in that sentence? Or? :-) ;) I like the chaotic mess we get when all doors are opened. Leaves me with a lot more options. I know. That's powerful stuff, it allows one to rebound ;) FWIW: I define all workarounds for browser-bugs and weaknesses as hacks - including 'CC', 'filtering' and 'branching'. Guess that's why I'm not too impressed by the present quality of browsers and other software. Been at it for too long, I guess. If this is your definition of hacks, then I can't disagree... But for me, hacks are any filters that rely on browsers' *bugs* rather than documented features. If you do this as a means to serve different rules to different browsers then you end up using CSS filters inside the style sheets. Yes. For dead browsers. Other browsers won't/shouldn't need any. :-) You mean the good ones with solid CSS support? ;) - IE/Mac is (maybe) filtered in on top of the base stylesheet. - Older IE/win are (maybe) filtered in in a 'lte IE6' stylesheet. - Other dead browsers are filtered out and/or forgotten. (May use the javascript option just for fun, but no one has requested such a solution for real.) - IE7 will probably need its own branch (see below). Comment on article: It's written in a title-attr., but note that the 'Layout' concept has to be understood somewhat, since the fix can be deadly if misplaced. Besides, it is not just _one_ fix that's needed in many cases. The dis is back. IMO, hasLayout is a tough concept to grab. I think experiencing the result of the implementation of this fix is enough feedback for most people. It works or it doesn't. AFAIK, understanding the concept doesn't make this fix more successful ;) I'm not saying people shouldn't be curious though... Also: IE7 will probably have the same Layout-mess (according to my sources), but may need a different fix in order to avoid an even larger mess. It's all there... So what?! IE versions since v5 parse Conditional Comments. IE7 is not here yet and we already know that it has a (reliable) built-in filter. Isn't great?! ;) Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site check: color.rdpdesign.com
Hello all. I just finished a site and it looks ok in IE 6 / FF / Opera. I'm not too concerned about compatibility with older browsers, just wondering if it works ok in Mac and Linux. The site is here: http://color.rdpdesign.com Any advice is also welcome. Thanks!-- - C Montoyardpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com
RE: [WSG] Site check: color.rdpdesign.com
Hi Christian, I checked out your site in Safari 1.3.1, Firefox (Mac) 1.0.6, IE 5.2 Camino 0.8.2 on 1024 x 768. The page renders nicely in all browser except for IE 5.2. The layout is shot in this browser. I wouldnt be too concerned about this, as IE 5.2 is a real pig to design for, and has very few users, (less than 2% market share I believe). The only slight difference I noticed between my Windows machine on 1280 x 1024 the Mac was that the line Complementary Color jumps onto two lines when viewed in the lower resolution, (1024 x 768). Not a big issue, but you may want to address it by reducing the font slightly. Other than that, nice job! (It validates fine too). Regards, Nick Lazar 8bits Web Technology Sunshine Coast, QLD http://8bits.com.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 9:14 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Site check: color.rdpdesign.com Hello all. I just finished a site and it looks ok in IE 6 / FF / Opera. I'm not too concerned about compatibility with older browsers, just wondering if it works ok in Mac and Linux. The site is here: http://color.rdpdesign.com Any advice is also welcome. Thanks! -- - C Montoya rdpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com
Re: [WSG] Site check: color.rdpdesign.com
Christian Montoya wrote: I just finished a site and it looks ok in IE 6 / FF / Opera. I'm not too concerned about compatibility with older browsers, just wondering if it works ok in Mac and Linux. The site is here: http://color.rdpdesign.com The ads are overlaying the content on FF 1.0.5 and Konqueror 3.2.1 both (Linux/SuSE 9.1) -- http://webtuitive.com/samples/montoya.png FWIW! -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques
Thierry Koblentz wrote: IMO, hasLayout is a tough concept to grab. I think experiencing the result of the implementation of this fix is enough feedback for most people. It works or it doesn't. You sure got that wrong. Please, don't repeat it to others - they may believe you. AFAIK, understanding the concept doesn't make this fix more successful ;) I can agree on that point, but for a different reason. The 'concept' *is* easy to understand, and fixes *should* either work or not work. However, it is not that simple, as one also have to know (not understand) something about the many bugs the MS-staff managed to build into that 'concept', if some degree of success with *any combination* of fixes should be assured. The 'link-title comment' in your article seems to discard this simple fact completely, and that's not helpful to most people. IE7 is not here yet and we already know that it has a (reliable) built-in filter. Isn't great?! No, it means they are able to release yet another broken browser in need of fixes, by design. Nothing great about that. The subject of your article won't suffer though. :-) Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check: color.rdpdesign.com
Hey all, Thanks for the checks. The problems come from the page being sized in em's, and the ads being absolutely positioned with ems... I've decided that's too difficult. I'll probably put the ads back in, but in a more robust way, so they don't risk covering content. -- - C Montoyardpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com
Re: [WSG] Dublin Core metadata
Not strictly DC, but along a similar vein... don't suppose anyone knows if any/many search engines take ICBM meta data or geo.position meta data into account when determining local content? I ask because, whilst Google is generally pretty good with localised versions (my personal site[1] is a .com but it shows up in Australian content listings because it's hosted on a computer here), it'd be nice not to have to host in Australia or have a .something.au address to show up in Australian listings (yeah, I know, abuse of domain name system... someone shoot me.) More on topic, is this meta data actually valuable? I've got it on my blog, just for kicks and because it's useful for GeoURL[2] if nothing else. If this meta data is more broadly utilised then perhaps it's worth considering using on more sites. Any ideas? Josh 1. http://www.joahua.com/blog/ 2. http://geourl.org/near/?p=http://www.joahua.com/blog/ On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 09:15 +0100, Paul Collins wrote: I have recently been reading about Dublin Core meta data. I would like to know what the main advantages are of using it and how widely it is interpreted by search engines. I am having a hard time finding out the right information, could anyone point me in the correct direction or maybe give some knowledge? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Meta Keywords?
Just wanted to clarify this area with some references. Meta keywords - no - no search engine publically acknowdges that they refer to them. Meta descriptions - yes - see below - but DMoz is often a factor as well Meta robots - yes - see below 1. you can use robots.txt OR meta robots: [quote]Use a robots.txt file or meta tags to control how MSNBot and other web crawlers index your site. The robots.txt file tells web crawlers which files and folders it is not allowed to crawl. The Web Robots Pages provide detailed information on the robots.txt Robots Exclusion standard. This site may be available in English only.[/quote] http://search.msn.com/docs/siteowner.aspx?t=SEARCH_WEBMASTER_REF_GuidelinesforOptimizingSite.htmFORM=WGDD Yahoo: [quote] create a robots.txt file on your web site to prevent our crawler from indexing your site add a noindex meta tag to your documents [/quote] http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/indexing/indexing-13.html Google: [quote] robots.txt is a standard document that can tell Googlebot not to download some or all information from your web server... ..To keep Googlebot from following links on your pages to other pages or documents, you'd place the following meta tag in the head of your HTML document: META NAME=Googlebot CONTENT=nofollow [/quote] http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/bot.html 2. As far as metadescriptionis concerned - Meta Description is still important to MSN and Yahoo!: [quote]As the MSN Search web crawler MSNBot crawls your website, it analyzes the content on indexed web pages and generates keywords to associate with each we page. Then MSNBot extracts web page content that is highly relevant to the keywords (often sentence segments that contain keywords or information in the description meta tag) and constructs the website description displayed in search results. [/quote] http://search.msn.com/docs/siteowner.aspx?t=SEARCH_WEBMASTER_CONC_AboutYourSiteDescription.htm [quote]Pages Yahoo! Wants Included in its index:snipMetadata (including title and description) that accurately describes the contents of a web page[/quote] http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/indexing/indexing-14.html 3. Also - Google often also often uses the ODP Dmoz description rather than the Meta Description: E.g. search Google for w3c http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=w3c W3C - The World Wide Web ConsortiumThe W3C was founded in October 1994 to lead the World Wide Web to its full potential by developing common protocols that promote its evolution and ensure ... Check the Dmoz listing: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Policy/ W3C - The World Wide Web Consortium - The World Wide Web Consortium was created to lead the World Wide Web to its full potential by developing common protocols that promote its evolution and ensure its interoperability. Now look at the meta description at http://www.w3.org/ meta name=description content=W3C's nearly 400 member organizations lead the World Wide Web to its full potential. Founded by Tim Berners-Lee, the Web's inventor. The W3C Web site hosts specifications, guidelines, software and tools. Public participation is welcome. W3C supports universal access, the semantic Web, trust, interoperability, evolvability, decentralization, and cooler multimedia. / Best Chris Cogentis Search Engine marketing Optimisation http://www.cogentis.com.au
[WSG] Main Menu Collapses and Expands in IE FF
Good morning all,
I just launched my site's redesign (www.webnetdesignstudios.com), and although
I'm pleased with the
initial results I'm still addressing a few bugs. The one that bothers me the
most is the fact that
the main menu (i.e. our company, services, portfolio, etc.) collapses and
expands in IE and FF
when a link is clicked. It seems to work fine in Opera.
The following is a CSS code snippet that controls the main menu, which I
grabbed from Listamatic:
/* MAIN NAVIGATION BAR
*/
#mainNav
{text-align: center;
text-transform: uppercase;
letter-spacing: 1px;
margin: 0;
padding: 3px 0 5px 0;
border-top: 1px solid #999;
border-bottom: 1px solid #999;
background-color: #CCC4BE;}
#mainNav ul
{margin: 0;
padding: 0;
list-style-type: none;}
#mainNav ul li
{display: inline;
line-height: 1.5;}
#mainNav ul li a:link, #mainNav a:active, #mainNav a:visited
{color: #000;
font: bold 0.7em tahoma, sans-serif;
text-decoration: none;
border-right: 1px solid #999;
padding: 10px 10px 9px 10px;}
#mainNav ul li a:hover
{color: #fff;
text-decoration: none;
background-color: #FF5100;}
#mainNav #pipe
{border-left: 1px solid #999;}
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Kind regards,
Mario
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